99.9% of whores become whores voluntarily because they're attracted to the easy "work" and high pay.
the 0.1% of whores who are in some way coerced have myriad opportunities to leave/escape. they aren't held at gun point and the coercion is always indirect, such as through debt, emotional manipulation, etc.
the idea that no woman would ever become a whore of her own free will is one of the "great lies" society tells itself to pretend that women are somehow more virtuous than they really are. the truth is that while the vast majority of women would never become whores, plenty of women don't see it as a big deal to use sex transactionally. seeing as only a tiny fraction of women actually become whores, its easy to explain that they all come from the subset of women who don't mind it.
I've known a number of whores in my life. I find them fascinating and went out of my way to get to know them and ask them about their sex work. I follow some of them on Instagram and they post crazy shit. They usually fit within 2 broad categories: (1) crazy bitches who as a rule violate social norms, (2) women who are not really sexual and simply want easy money.
When you sit down and think about it, "sex trafficking" makes no sense. You think a whoremonger wants to fuck some kidnap victim locked in a sex dungeon who is crying and resistant and doesn't want to be there? You think he wants to PAY A PREMIUM for such a miserable experience? Hell no. Men want a "girlfriend experience" or a "porn star experience" not a "woman held against her will who cries and looks away" experience.
Hilariously, all these government fucks who use lies about "sex trafficking" to justify huge wastes of taxpayer money to "rescue" whores, end up simply arresting the whores and putting them in jail. Wow what a rescue!
Yeah I remember watching a whole investigative report on how the rich guys who ran Backpage were debunking the whole "sex trafficking" nonsense so the feds dropped the hammer on them.
Cops exploit "sex trafficking" mightily as a funding mechanism.
"Sex trafficking" in the U.S and Europe is generally bullshit as it primarily includes people who move entirely of their own accord for sex work. If sex work is legal in one place, and someone moves there to do sex work, that counts as 'sex trafficking'. No joke.
That said, there's lots of real 'sex trafficking' in the non-west, just as there is real slavery.
Does not that imply there have been broken men forever, world's oldest profession after all? The ancient world certainly didn't have feminism, did it?
I've had issues trying to simultaneously understand both prudish modern attitudes towards compensated fucking while at the same time understand modern simp culture (which I'd more easily accept is exploitation of broken men).
The world is fucked up. There are mentally ill people, damaged people, evil people, and irreparably fucked up people walking around us each and every day.
While I do agree with most of your central thesis around these parts, I disagree vehemently with you here. Of course these women in question are exploiting men and of course I find it questionable, but I can't disagree with the other guy that it's interesting precisely for those reasons.
How are we ever going to get past it and grow if we don't have good researchers studying the hows and whys?
It is funny. Imp recognizes that our society and humanity as a whole is broken but he then blames these problems on women instead of recognizing it is an inherent flaw in humans. He also hates the idea of trying to fix any of these issues sans sending women to coal mines
I called you unhinged in a deleted post, because I thought you said 'and make them ineligible for all employment', which would be reprehensible.
Come on though, 90% tax for exchanging money for sex? That's some oppressive bullshit. We live in a world where liars, tyrants and marxists collude to oppress and destroy us, and you want to use the state to crush people for engaging in voluntary transactions? You can make the argument that sex work isn't good for society but they're not directly hurting anyone.
Yeah, I've seen your reasoning that it's 'coerced', but that's asinine. Women as a general demographic are privileged, spoiled, have a heavy ingroup bias and enable their own, which causes all sorts of problems for society and men specifically, but they're not a monolithic organization wherein all or even most women collude to exploit and harm men.
For one thing, that kind of argument sounds far too much like the 'men/white people all benefit from systemic sexism/racism so they're all guilty' sophistry for my liking.
For another, having one branch break men down so the other can charge them for sex would require a greater understanding of cause and effect than feminists are generally capable of.
Isn't that privilege? Like, clear and obvious privilege?
Men are never "forced" into sex work, for any reason (barring RIDICULOUSLY edge cases involving slavery, at which point it's a different issue at hand). Is it because men are inherently rich? No. It is because an option for large sums of easy money obtainable without effort, education, or in the modern era, even major risk, is unavailable to them.
So you know what? I agree. Women should never be "forced" into sex work. Arrest every woman on OnlyFans, every twitch thot, every escort, every actress who got a role through the Weinstein method. Imprison them all. They shouldn't be allowed into that work, "forced" into it.
They should be begging on the street for scraps, dying of exposure, or git gud, just like men are "forced" to do. Then we will have equality, and fairness, and they'll never need worry about being "forced" into a massively paid, safe, easy job again.
It's your fault, you have reduced the self worth of purity, abstinence and of all things associated with sex in general that back in the day if a woman, for example, lost her husband in a war, tragic accident, illness etc, she had no experience or skills she'd become a maid, a cleaner, some kind of very low skilled work to make ends meet.
Nowadays, you can't afford that extra mocha frappe chino "time to spread my legs to get some money". And these women would compare those jobs that used to "beneath them " but getting railed by several guys a night isn't. They want the easy path always no hard work and to make it so that they aren't judged as the whores they are, they try to make it seem like it's normal to go to a strangers place to get fucked for a few hundred quid or that sex is so easy why not make money from it.
99.9% of whores become whores voluntarily because they're attracted to the easy "work" and high pay.
the 0.1% of whores who are in some way coerced have myriad opportunities to leave/escape. they aren't held at gun point and the coercion is always indirect, such as through debt, emotional manipulation, etc.
the idea that no woman would ever become a whore of her own free will is one of the "great lies" society tells itself to pretend that women are somehow more virtuous than they really are. the truth is that while the vast majority of women would never become whores, plenty of women don't see it as a big deal to use sex transactionally. seeing as only a tiny fraction of women actually become whores, its easy to explain that they all come from the subset of women who don't mind it.
I've known a number of whores in my life. I find them fascinating and went out of my way to get to know them and ask them about their sex work. I follow some of them on Instagram and they post crazy shit. They usually fit within 2 broad categories: (1) crazy bitches who as a rule violate social norms, (2) women who are not really sexual and simply want easy money.
When you sit down and think about it, "sex trafficking" makes no sense. You think a whoremonger wants to fuck some kidnap victim locked in a sex dungeon who is crying and resistant and doesn't want to be there? You think he wants to PAY A PREMIUM for such a miserable experience? Hell no. Men want a "girlfriend experience" or a "porn star experience" not a "woman held against her will who cries and looks away" experience.
Hilariously, all these government fucks who use lies about "sex trafficking" to justify huge wastes of taxpayer money to "rescue" whores, end up simply arresting the whores and putting them in jail. Wow what a rescue!
On the last point, because fuck government, you might find this Reason article interesting.
Secret Memos Show the Government Has Been Lying About Backpage All Along; Sealed memos fought over in federal court last week show authorities have known for years that claims about Backpage were bogus.
Yeah I remember watching a whole investigative report on how the rich guys who ran Backpage were debunking the whole "sex trafficking" nonsense so the feds dropped the hammer on them.
Cops exploit "sex trafficking" mightily as a funding mechanism.
FTFY
To be honest, could just replace 'Cops' with anything from the government.
"Sex trafficking" in the U.S and Europe is generally bullshit as it primarily includes people who move entirely of their own accord for sex work. If sex work is legal in one place, and someone moves there to do sex work, that counts as 'sex trafficking'. No joke.
That said, there's lots of real 'sex trafficking' in the non-west, just as there is real slavery.
I'm not a simp just because I find sex work to be interesting as a curiosity, you dumbfuck.
They literally are. You're so fucking weird. My comment was in general agreement with the spirit of your post and yet you attack me.
They provide a service in exchange for a fee as part of a voluntary exchange. It is the very definition of a useful service.
Does not that imply there have been broken men forever, world's oldest profession after all? The ancient world certainly didn't have feminism, did it?
I've had issues trying to simultaneously understand both prudish modern attitudes towards compensated fucking while at the same time understand modern simp culture (which I'd more easily accept is exploitation of broken men).
You choose to die on some weird hills, Imp.
The world is fucked up. There are mentally ill people, damaged people, evil people, and irreparably fucked up people walking around us each and every day.
While I do agree with most of your central thesis around these parts, I disagree vehemently with you here. Of course these women in question are exploiting men and of course I find it questionable, but I can't disagree with the other guy that it's interesting precisely for those reasons.
How are we ever going to get past it and grow if we don't have good researchers studying the hows and whys?
What mechanisms do they exploit? What biological factors? What sociological factors? What psychological factors? What is cultural? What is innate?
All of these are valuable questions if we are to understand the damage and rectify it.
Again, we are more allies than enemies but I disagree with you on this.
It is funny. Imp recognizes that our society and humanity as a whole is broken but he then blames these problems on women instead of recognizing it is an inherent flaw in humans. He also hates the idea of trying to fix any of these issues sans sending women to coal mines
I called you unhinged in a deleted post, because I thought you said 'and make them ineligible for all employment', which would be reprehensible.
Come on though, 90% tax for exchanging money for sex? That's some oppressive bullshit. We live in a world where liars, tyrants and marxists collude to oppress and destroy us, and you want to use the state to crush people for engaging in voluntary transactions? You can make the argument that sex work isn't good for society but they're not directly hurting anyone.
Yeah, I've seen your reasoning that it's 'coerced', but that's asinine. Women as a general demographic are privileged, spoiled, have a heavy ingroup bias and enable their own, which causes all sorts of problems for society and men specifically, but they're not a monolithic organization wherein all or even most women collude to exploit and harm men.
For one thing, that kind of argument sounds far too much like the 'men/white people all benefit from systemic sexism/racism so they're all guilty' sophistry for my liking.
For another, having one branch break men down so the other can charge them for sex would require a greater understanding of cause and effect than feminists are generally capable of.
Isn't that privilege? Like, clear and obvious privilege?
Men are never "forced" into sex work, for any reason (barring RIDICULOUSLY edge cases involving slavery, at which point it's a different issue at hand). Is it because men are inherently rich? No. It is because an option for large sums of easy money obtainable without effort, education, or in the modern era, even major risk, is unavailable to them.
So you know what? I agree. Women should never be "forced" into sex work. Arrest every woman on OnlyFans, every twitch thot, every escort, every actress who got a role through the Weinstein method. Imprison them all. They shouldn't be allowed into that work, "forced" into it.
They should be begging on the street for scraps, dying of exposure, or git gud, just like men are "forced" to do. Then we will have equality, and fairness, and they'll never need worry about being "forced" into a massively paid, safe, easy job again.
It's your fault, you have reduced the self worth of purity, abstinence and of all things associated with sex in general that back in the day if a woman, for example, lost her husband in a war, tragic accident, illness etc, she had no experience or skills she'd become a maid, a cleaner, some kind of very low skilled work to make ends meet.
Nowadays, you can't afford that extra mocha frappe chino "time to spread my legs to get some money". And these women would compare those jobs that used to "beneath them " but getting railed by several guys a night isn't. They want the easy path always no hard work and to make it so that they aren't judged as the whores they are, they try to make it seem like it's normal to go to a strangers place to get fucked for a few hundred quid or that sex is so easy why not make money from it.