I used to follow a lot of gaming/nerd sites from back in the day when they catered to gamers/nerds and then started blocking them once they became corporate shills but I still get some articles in my feed and one of the gaming related articles threw out the "women make up half of all gamers" stat. I have no idea how in the world they came up with this stat, but if anyone who has been into gaming for a while would know there is something off about that. I've heard that they count someone playing candy crush or someone like my grandmother playing solitaire on their computer.
Now I get some games can appeal to more women than men. One of my guilty pleasures is the Sims and I've read that has a 60/40 women to men ratio which I can believe (of course the article was celebrating that point), but certain kinds of games like action, FPS, rpg, and sports would probably skew more male I would guess. Reminds me of how they try to push the 50/50 stat with comic books and they seem to include people who at the height of the MCU would claim to be comic book fans because they saw an Avengers movie.
Of course there are women who are into gaming, but the actual female gamers get little attention since they want to play games and not whine about the patriarchy. This whole thing does remind me of something someone posted on this site before. He said that if you want to know if a hobby is male dominated, just look at all the articles calling it "toxic". Take literature for example. I am a huge reader but I would say that women tend to be more hardcore readers than men, but something like Sci-fi is a genre that appeals to guys so we get endless lectures about females in Sci-Fi. Sci-Fi/Fantasy is my favorite genre to read but another genre I like is crime drama/murder mystery and since there are quite a few female authors I've never seen anyone complain about that. So I guess that is a good rule of thumb.
Sorry for the long post, but I am so sick of that stat!
Virtually all real video games are like 90%+ men.
Women totally dominate shit like "The Sims" as well as a lot of brainless retard clicker mobile games like candy crush or whatever.
Yea. Like I said the Sims is my guilty pleasure in gaming when I’m not playing Skyrim or sports games. It just boggles my mind that these companies choose to ignore these facts and will push an FPS and try to appeal to women
Also mmos for attention whoring
My response to this is always: well if it's already 50/50, then clearly women are ok with the games available to them on the market, so what's the problem?
Exactly. If they made up half the community then why all the articles droning on and on about women in gaming
Because women only like 10/90.
You’re not wrong here. Anita is on record saying “if don’t like it, then don’t play it” is not a solution she will accept. The vast majority of video games are already devoid of sexy women, but feminists still can’t tolerate the existence of even an extreme minority of “problematic” content.
The 50/50 thing is how a postmodernist pushes for complete domination.
It's 50/50, you should be representing us more!
Combined with
Those 50% are bad
And just keep going. Once it's more than 50%, identify a tiny subsection that's still showing less than 50%, use that instead of the general population to expand your privilege - because what this is, is building an aristocracy, make no mistake. Keep going until there are no
lower classesmen anywhere they might trouble their betters.I guess that explains the joke about feminists losing their minds if they see some guys enjoying a hobby
That, and not being able to comprehend that individuals exist.
If one man is to be perpetually unhappy, all men must be perpetually unhappy.
Same reason "inequal pay" keeps popping up.
Yea despite being debunked over and over. Men tend to work longer hours, more dangerous jobs, women tend to take breaks from their careers to raise children, etc
I call bullshit on some of that. 50% of women games say their favorite game is racing game? I've never seen a girl in real life that played NFS and I've been around girls that liked to girls that liked to play games.
I guess you can make something about mario kart but neither of this is on a phone, so how can you have 77% of women play games on their phone but 50% of women have their favorite games being on PC or console? It just does not add up.
edit: they also ham fisted 35-54 women as 30% like action games and put in god of war as an example. When was the last time a girl in real life played god of war.
Actually both need for speed and Mario kart have phone ports
Interesting. I did not know that. Do they play well? I would not mind need for speed on phone.
I have no idea how they play but apparently the Mario kart game has insane micro transactions. If the NFS game controls anything like the Asphalt series it can't be too bad
With this data it always surprises me that they still insist on marketing heavily to women in a game like an action shooter. Or the Battlefield 5 debacle. But that data makes sense. It seems the major companies ignore it
The major publishers see only 10% of their player base are female, and their takeaway is “we need to cater to women because that’s our greatest demo for potential growth”. The feminist executives back up this retarded logic because they’re activists posing as developers. In reality, when you alter your successful products to cater to the people who don’t like them, you only end up alienating your established customers.
This has happened in comic books as well. Add in the unwillingness to acknowledge that men and women tend to enjoy different things. Just annoys me because you don’t see publishers of romance novels bending over backwards to cater to males
I saved a retail business years ago that fell for this meme. A big corpo (big for this area) opened a new chain of stores catering to women and "families" and they were all failing. They brought me in as a regional expert to try and salvage the situation. I ran the numbers and what I found was that, as the CEO had said to me, women were in fact the fastest growing part of the market for the past 4 years. But when I looked hard and shook off the bullshit, what I saw was that women had expanded from being <1% of the market to about 3.5%. So the growth rate was very high, but they were still a maximum of 4% of the fucking market. And these guys had been tailoring their entire business model around catering to them at the expense of the 96% of the market that were MEN. The assumption was "ah men like this stuff anyway, they'll still show up just for the product even if the presentation is safe, sterile, and women-friendly"
No, no they fucking didn't. I went through that place with a fire axe and reoriented everything for a better male experience. It took 18 months and butting heads with feminist middle management, but I got HR on my side and turned that business from being a 30k/mo loss for the company to a moneymaker.
"Online bridge geriatric PC master race" wasn't on my bingo card for today.
Totally agree. Some things generally appeal to men and some generally appeal to women. Why these companies can't understand that is beyond me.
FF14 and WoW (somewhat) had a lot of annoying women, usually in guilds trying to be the queen bee and getting attention and better treatment from simps.
Women seems to center around certain games or roles. Women seems to love being the healer.
Women also seem to like games like sims or murder games. Murder games like friday13, dead by daylight, among us. Strangely, they like to watch documentaries on serial rapists and killers... they also like games that utilize voice as a major compoment. Basically weaponize their pussy. They also use words because they usually cant compete with skill/reflex.
Define hardcore reader. I'm willing to bet the female reader base of say Dostoyevsky is pretty low. Women may read more books, but what they read is largely trash.
Yea, I just meant readings books. Not the type of books
It should be fine to have games that cater to women and games that cater to men but they will never admit that men and women like different things. Feminism have taught them that women are just as competitive as men, they are just as good fighters as men, anything a men can do a women can do better, so it stands to reason that the only reason they do not like shooters is because of the patriarchy, the only reason they are the bottom of competitive esports is also the patriarchy and toxic masculinity, not once did I hear someone say in an online discussion/ interview that maybe there is another reason why girls are not represented in top esports.
Now we have this stupid hypocritical reality were women want games that cater to women, obviously, but they also want the games that appeal to guys to cater to women. Because at the end of the day women tend to be more narcissistic and egocentric then men. Also most of the women in my life seem to have 0 problems with double standards.
In this discussions I tend to point out that there were good written strong female characters that are universally liked that did not have a lot of female players eg. RE 1,2,3. So my question is, should we no longer make games like re? Should we make horror games less scary and more colorful just to appeal to women? That would ruin the game entirely, it would not be a RE game. Should we ban people from making serious horror, shooters or sports games? If not and women do not, at large, like this games then why can't this games cater to men.
If it is ok to make games appeal to women then why can't we have games appeal to men. Should we make animal crossing grittier or the sims have shooting and driving mechanics in order to attract more men?
I've seen recently that they finally came after sports, it took them a long time but here we are. No more games made for men.
What did they do with sports games? I tend to buy Madden, Baseball, and Hockey but I’m like 3 years behind. That drives me nuts because I’ve been saying the same thing. That’s great that women have things that appeal to them. I’m just tired of the whining when guys have something that appeals to them. Tomb Raider is another game that was quite popular. Also remember Urban Chaos for PS1? You played as a black female cop. Even though my dad teased me I had Danger Girl as well
Haven’t some esports been openly hostile to men?
https://i.redd.it/7wuxgjeqvhm91.png
They made women play with men but you can't use certain moves on women. As you see this Nurse has a higher score then Zegras despite being mixed, somehow.
They also added female teams in Fifa, that no one played and the devs got upset, something like 5% of players even looked to see what it was about. I'm willing to bet that their new move will be to mix teams.
I can't remember exactly but TheImpossible1 was saying something about racing games as well, I've never been in to racing games so I do not remember the details.
Is just stupid, they can't accept that sport games appeal to men.
Wow. Zegras is a big star. I didn’t know about that. I heard about FIFA
To sell shit to women. Anytime they try something that artificially inflates numbers, it's to sell shit to women.
I've seen the 50/50 pushed as a defensive narrative against "much sexism" and "muh soggy knees". I've not really seen it as an attack vector before.
When they include women having played a casual smartphone game once as part of "gamers", then yeah the statistics are clearly biased and of no use at all. Might as well call women who've played bridge as part of CCG fandom, or yahtzee as part of D&D because it contains dice.
They were always play games, mostly with our nerves but why are stats so important to you?
I play starsector and i bet 90% of the gamers me included are minmaxing retards, so fucking what?
I only asked because I see that stat pushed a lot by game journos. I know women have always played games. It seems as if they can’t just accept that some games appeal to more men and some to more women. Some you have mixture. Like I said my guilty pleasure is the Sims and there are more female players. Same thing with hobbies.
Just wanted to get everyone’s opinion.
What is a mini maxing retard?