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Death of the author (media.kotakuinaction2.win)
posted 2 years ago by SupremeReader 2 years ago by SupremeReader +47 / -1
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– altmehere 38 points 2 years ago +38 / -0

this idea that anyone could know exactly what he would've wanted or what he would've liked is, I feel, nonsense

It is nonsense. It's a massive strawman.

Of course nobody could know exactly what he would've wanted. That doesn't mean that we don't have a good general idea of what he would have wanted.

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– joeyjojoshabadoo1 50 points 2 years ago +50 / -0

Tolkein was interviewed frequently on the subject of, and of his own accord wrote what probably amounts to thousands of pages explaining in detail regarding, exactly what his motivations were, his inspirations were, and his desires were, both from an authorial standpoint and illustrating what he wanted out of his audience.

These are all just stupid kids who are so afraid to and/or lazy to do the homework, that they'd rather just blithely hypothesize that their opinions are all that matters, and no record from the past could possibly disagree with them. Nobody involved in these things cares anymore beyond the money and stardom it brings them now. They're not reading enthusiasts, certainly not appreciators of Tolkein, and have no informed opinions on anything they now serve as the face of. I have severe doubts that literally anyone involved in the product has read the 4 main books that serve as the series.

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– SupremeReader [S] 42 points 2 years ago +42 / -0

He left behind a small mountain of writing about what exactly did he mean.

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– AntonioOfVenice 20 points 2 years ago +20 / -0

But we're not going to read that.

So we don't know and we're going to assert that no one knows.

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– lapalapa 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

At the very least, he wouldn't have wanted anything that contradicted Catholic morality or doctrine.

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– deleted 12 points 2 years ago +12 / -0
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– lapalapa 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

The Pope hasn't said anything that violates Catholic doctrine. Don't get fooled by out-of-context quotes by the media that perverts everything, or the hatred of people who want a political Christianity instead of a higher one.

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– DefinitelyNotIGN 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

I mean, he only had thousands upon thousands of pages of it, including things like race, species, skin colors, gender roles, politics, and ideology... But how could we know?! Reading is an alt-right construct, after all!

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– Smith1980 24 points 2 years ago +24 / -0

How in the world can they spout this nonsense? Just say your don’t care about Tolkien or Amazon can make it’s own diverse fantasy that checks all the boxes. They butchered wheel of time. Wasn’t that enough?

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– SupremeReader [S] 19 points 2 years ago +19 / -0

Well, the black King Arthur was clear and open about how he doesn't care about the legend in the least.

It was only 2 years ago and yet there was a much dissent even among the redditors on /r/Netflix: https://www.reddit.com/r/netflix/comments/i8t1h2/cursed_is_black_arthur_cultura_appropriation/

There were indeed vaguely exotic Saracens (Muslims) and even a few outright (half)Africans in King Arthur's court. One of these Saracens even long resisted the peer pressure to convert to Christianity and yet was described in only positive terms in the 13th-century stories written (down) by Christian monks, which is highly interesting in itself.

Also there were even similarly surprisingly highly positively-described homosexual characters, and a whole lot of crossdressing (while in real life Joan d'Arc was burned for wearing man clothes). And just tons of magic, which of course was also totally haram in the real world (while believed to be real).

I am all for inclusiveness, if Lotr Aragon was played by a Pakistani it would be 100% ok because its new fiction without cultural impact

Redditors gonna reddit.

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– MattTheBlack 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

I'd give my pinky toe to play King Arthur and I can't act for shit. Imagine being given an opportunity like that and not giving a shit. Where is the respect for legends and mythos

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– Smith1980 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

I’ve been meaning to read the King Arthur stories. Sounds much more interesting than Netflix for sure. He could’ve take that story for inspiration and build his own story. I always saw Joan d’arc as disguising herself so she dressed like a man for that reason

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– SupremeReader [S] 9 points 2 years ago +9 / -0

It was never a matter of disguise, at all: https://www.jeanne-darc.info/biography/clothing/

Man, you've got to read Warlord Chronicles.

https://thereadingdesk.com/the-winter-king-bernard-cornwall/

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– Smith1980 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

Thanks for the recommendation. Oh ok well wouldn’t she be a tomboy by todays standards?

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– SupremeReader [S] 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

Kelly DeVries notes that, “No person of the Middle Ages, male or female, has been the subject of more study than Jeanne d’Arc. She has been portrayed as saint, heretic, religious zealot, seer, demented teenager, proto-feminist, aristocratic wanna-be, savior of France, person who turned the tide of the Hundred Years War and even Marxist liberator.”

And now also a tomboy.

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– Indianslost3-1lead 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

Or a dolphin-chucking slightly-nutty blonde who would like to be a big sister, if you ask the Japanese.

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– SupremeReader [S] 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

Where Arthur has an incestous psycho older sister who's totally obsessed over the king (female) in her schizo ways, but that still sticks to the source material while feeling Japanese.

Their son (female), not so much.

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– Smith1980 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

I just meant by todays standards. She is definitely an interesting figure in history

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– current_horror 20 points 2 years ago +20 / -0

So most of the main characters are insufferable stupid female activists both in universe and in real life. I can’t imagine a show I’d want to watch less than this. It’s like The View with a billion dollar budget.

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– cartoonericroberts 17 points 2 years ago +17 / -0

I don't know what he'd want, but I have a pretty good idea of what he wouldn't want.

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– TheImpossible1 11 points 2 years ago +15 / -4

A woman's power fantasy with added race baiting?

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– AntonioOfVenice 12 points 2 years ago +12 / -0

The Eowyn scene makes me uncomfortable now. I'm sure JRR didn't mean it that way, but its modern echoes are truly awful.

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– cartoonericroberts 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

Yes. That would be it.

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– SturmMilfEnthusiast 15 points 2 years ago +15 / -0

You'd think if he wanted an obese black dwarf as a main character, at some point, he would have written an obese black dwarf as a main character.

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– Tralfaz 14 points 2 years ago +14 / -0

"Sauron's secret identity"

Do I sense a Donald Trump cameo?

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– AntonioOfVenice 12 points 2 years ago +12 / -0

The Rape of the Author's Work

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– Jan6Insurrectionist 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

Death of the franchise. This is literally that /tv/ greentext.

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– realerfunction 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

which

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– when_we_win_remember 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

Aren't dwarves supposed to be stoic? I thought it was elves that were passionate.

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– MegoThor 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

What a bunch of dumb whores.

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– realerfunction 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

expensive non-fan fiction

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– Indipendepede 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

That's not death of the author; it's an assassination

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– RandomFurryDude 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

Just because I don't know what someone wants, doesn't mean I don't know what somebody DOESN'T want.

Someone on the street might want pancakes instead of cereal, but they'll almost certainly refuse dogshit.

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– Dereliction 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

Nah, it's just terribly expensive fan fiction no one should care about.

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– FuckMcNuggets 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

We don't need to know exactly what he wanted, but I think it's safe to say he didn't want his work to be warped into some shit propaganda thing

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– SupremeReader [S] 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

We really do know exactly.

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– Footsoldier 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

“There will be no dawn… for men.”

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