I definitely hope that they learned their lesson and that they stand by these words in the future. It doesn't change what they did, but it's hopeful that maybe the tide is turning. I'm not holding my breath, but I'm not discounting the idea either.
Did they suffer any consequences from their mistakes? It's pretty unusual for companies with a history of this kind of abuse to turn over a new leaf, especially without any kind of impetus for the change.
In 2017, we terminated the neo-Nazi troll site The Daily Stormer. And in 2019, we terminated the conspiracy theory forum 8chan.
In a deeply troubling response, after both terminations we saw a dramatic increase in authoritarian regimes attempting to have us terminate security services for human rights organizations — often citing the language from our own justification back to us.
Since those decisions, we have had significant discussions with policy makers worldwide. From those discussions we concluded that the power to terminate security services for the sites was not a power Cloudflare should hold. Not because the content of those sites wasn't abhorrent — it was — but because security services most closely resemble Internet utilities.
Just as the telephone company doesn't terminate your line if you say awful, racist, bigoted things, we have concluded in consultation with politicians, policy makers, and experts that turning off security services because we think what you publish is despicable is the wrong policy. To be clear, just because we did it in a limited set of cases before doesn’t mean we were right when we did. Or that we will ever do it again.
They outright admit they made the wrong decision on Stormfront and 8chan.
Honestly, that's kind of fine. I don't have a problem if they disagree with people. They're allowed to ultimately have their opinion. The problem was censorship.
They're allowed to believe wrong things so long as they do the right things, like uphold free speech.
I'd prefer businesses/suppliers/contractors not cancel or demean their customers. It's not about believing something wrong, but about publicly shaming people. But yeah I guess that's between them and their customers.
I mean, that's a fair point too. I think it's definitely preferable, but I'm willing to set the bare fucking minimum as simply not engaging in infringements of human rights. Standards should be higher, but a baseline also needs to exist.
Sad thing is they could be being completely honest now but after all they and other tech companies have done it's hard for me to see them as anything other than a glowop trying to make sure they don't lose any more market share. They cannot regain that trust.
Might be sign not just on the entertainment and media front but the tech front too that the pendulum is starting to swing so they don't want to be in the way when it starts to move.
yeah press x aint gonna cut it... what gurrentee they wont do it again? or for that matter be more sneaky against folks they dont agree with? when burned trust is very hard to regain the worst part is they could very well be honist and this post would just be viewed as a hollow pr stunt. likely the only reason they did this is to protect their bottom line.
How do you avoid it?
Is L2P a solution?
You educate people. Cloudflare requires you hand over your SSL keys to them. Not your keys, not your encryption, it's that simple.
back in the day self hoasting was a viable option now i dont really know anymore.
Press fucking X.
Doubt aside, it's pretty fucking incredible of them to admit that dropping Stormfront and 8chan were mistakes.
I definitely hope that they learned their lesson and that they stand by these words in the future. It doesn't change what they did, but it's hopeful that maybe the tide is turning. I'm not holding my breath, but I'm not discounting the idea either.
Did they suffer any consequences from their mistakes? It's pretty unusual for companies with a history of this kind of abuse to turn over a new leaf, especially without any kind of impetus for the change.
you don't shut down honey pots
KF is not a honeypot. They're not glowing. They just expose wokies.
He's talking about CF.
They say as much in the post:
They outright admit they made the wrong decision on Stormfront and 8chan.
While making sure to take swipes at them by calling them "troll neo-Nazis" and "conspiracy theorists".
Honestly, that's kind of fine. I don't have a problem if they disagree with people. They're allowed to ultimately have their opinion. The problem was censorship.
They're allowed to believe wrong things so long as they do the right things, like uphold free speech.
I'd prefer businesses/suppliers/contractors not cancel or demean their customers. It's not about believing something wrong, but about publicly shaming people. But yeah I guess that's between them and their customers.
I mean, that's a fair point too. I think it's definitely preferable, but I'm willing to set the bare fucking minimum as simply not engaging in infringements of human rights. Standards should be higher, but a baseline also needs to exist.
not taking them back though
That's assuming 8chan and Stormfront have tried going back, which I doubt they will.
In the wake of this announcement, it will be interesting to see if anyone tests their waters.
Sad thing is they could be being completely honest now but after all they and other tech companies have done it's hard for me to see them as anything other than a glowop trying to make sure they don't lose any more market share. They cannot regain that trust.
Trannies on suicide watch...
...as always but now doubly so
Keffals is still butthurt.
Searching him for cp and other evidence would be a great way to make him dissapear for good.
Maybe that's why he fled Canada.
if they were actually committed to this idea they'd replatform everyone they wronged, and comp them for the entire time they were wronged.
Might be sign not just on the entertainment and media front but the tech front too that the pendulum is starting to swing so they don't want to be in the way when it starts to move.
Wow, I'm honestly impressed. I thought the whole "I'm doing this but I feel bad about it" was an act.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220616101757/https://git.redxen.eu/dCF/deCloudflare/src/branch/master/readme/en.md/
yeah press x aint gonna cut it... what gurrentee they wont do it again? or for that matter be more sneaky against folks they dont agree with? when burned trust is very hard to regain the worst part is they could very well be honist and this post would just be viewed as a hollow pr stunt. likely the only reason they did this is to protect their bottom line.