And if women stopped breeding with the worst aspects of society, then raising those confused children with their indoctrination, the world would also change overnight.
Magically, both sexes are fucking retards making the world worse.
That isn’t helping but probably isn’t the bigger issue. The war on masculinity made men no longer men and women were then free to become full on children. Most people don’t ‘grow up’ anymore and become adults, either.
It isn’t so much that women are breeding with the worst men as we’ve destroyed the number of great men by making them act like women, cutting them down as boys. A lot of guys now may as well have been raised on puberty blockers. That movement is a natural progression of what was already going on. Being a ‘man’ turned into what clothes you wear. Same with being a ‘woman’. The trans movement is just an acknowledgement of that. That is what being a man and woman has come to mean in America in many places, usually the bluer cities. The differences have become cosmetic. Gender dysphoria is just a culmination of that fact in someone’s mind. Being an ugly women is also a lot easier than being an ugly man.
Incentivizing people that can’t care for their kids to have the most is a giant problem though.
The war on masculinity took place after women were already freed to become children. The "sexual revolution" took place at a time when men were either still men (though aged) or just straight dying in a war, yet is the most important event that ruined women going forward.
The war on masculinity is a direct result of women's inability to understand what they want, their resentment of not having it, and numerous other neurosis brought on by their "freedom" scaring them.
Literal life itself is decided by who women allow to pass on their genes. That's fucking evolution itself, the most basic of biology. Nothing is bigger than that issue.
It all follows from the invention of the birth control pill.
The existence of the pill is what makes arguments in favor of unlimited abortion on demand so aggravating.
It might make sex without pregnancy possible, but too many women don't use it and rely on legal abortion to allow them their promiscuity, which is totally mercenary, thanks to millions of years of evolution and the helplessness of the human infant.
It only happened in 1960, and women as a whole are flailing around trying to find some other way to make their lives meaningful in an effort to rise above their "inability to understand what they want, their resentment of not having it, and numerous other neurosis brought on by their 'freedom."
This condition is making everybody crazy and resentful. The weak conservative women's movement that seeks to reclaim the virtues of motherhood and domesticity has been fighting an uphill battle, to say the least.
That ship sailed a long time ago. In a way transgenderism is just the end result of this, but long before society deified pedophiles in drag it deluded itself into thinking that women's bad mating choices are compatible with the building/maintenance of civilization. All the legal and social mores that the feminists are destroying are incentive structures put in place to get women to make better choices in men, which in turn give men the incentive to be good men and help build society. Feminism is just an excuse to revert back to pre-civilizational intergender relations. That's what people mean when they feminism is destroying civilization. The Red Pillers say that feminism is just women optimizing their sexual strategy. I think there's more to it than that, but they're right that female sexual strategy is a huge part of it.
The Red Pillers say that feminism is just women optimizing their sexual strategy.
Women have no idea of any "sexual strategy" since sex and childbirth were decoupled by the pill. They still mate "across and up social hierarchies" as J. Peterson might put it.
if women stopped breeding with the worst aspects of society
It would help if society didn't reward this behavior. She finds the shit bag fun and exciting, and because society enables her bad behavior she pops out kids with him. She does this because she knows she'll be able to find some beta to pay for her bad choices when the shit bag bails. Instead of glorifying this degeneracy and trying to police men's standards (something society would never do to women) we should go back to making single mothers pariahs and making divorce a huge taboo instead of a free meal ticket. Behavior is largely the product of the incentives in place. If we stopped rewarding degeneracy we'd get less of it.
That certainly does not help. But I also have this crazy notion that since women are allowed to do things like vote and control their lives, they should be held accountable as adults. Which means they can make choices, such as not doing such things.
A black kid who grew up listening to NWA in the ghetto gets plenty of dopamine hits and rewards for acting like a thug and gangbanger, but at the end of the day he still committed a crime and his punished the same as anyone else (in theory, politics being gay muddies this).
But I also have this crazy notion that since women are allowed to do things like vote and control their lives, they should be held accountable as adults.
Oh absolutely. The point I'm making is that our refusal to hold women accountable changes the incentive structure for the worse, so we get more shitty behavior. Using your ghetto example: If we refuse to prosecute and punish thuggery and gangbanging we get more of it, as the blue shitholes that elect woke prosecutors prove on a daily basis.
In another comment in this thread I pointed out that the norms that the feminists are destroying are incentive structures that encourage good behavior from women. Some of those incentive structures boil down to accountability. A good example of this is when I brought up making single mothers pariahs again in my above comment.
If the shitbag is rich and propertied, his shitbaggery matters not one iota to a woman.
I agree with your "rewarding degeneracy" comment. The pill and feminism are directly responsible for social experimentation on a huge scale. and engaging in "degeneracy" is a big part of that..
I know magic. Yet one are treated as perfect goddesses and the other as retarded neanderthals, thereby making both ignore the foil the other one provides to compensate for their flaws.
Funny that you are still using that argument, after admitting that you hate women despite the fact that they have been brainwashed by schools into being feminists.
You're not getting out of it that easily. You are saying that individuals are blameless if they were brainwashed. Well, women are brainwashed into feminism. Case closed.
I hope that boys' social networks outside school still provide some alternative socialization. And I don't mean street gangs.
I learned more about life from my peers and family than I ever did in my public school career. Their classroom bullshit only goes so far, if it goes anywhere at all. I dunno. Maybe these days more kids are more involved in and dependent on what happens in school than was the case in the 1970s.
Schoolteachers (especially high school teachers) had always been objects of contempt and ridicule in my social circle and school was something to be avoided except for those classes we were interested in or had girls we were ogling/chasing around.
I don't understand the widespread hopelessness expressing itself in MGTOW and the incel thing.
The old saw "every Jack has a Jill" is true. You just have to settle for women that are less than porn-star quality, lower unreasonable expectations about who you can attract given your income/social status or potential for same. There are plenty of working-class women out there who want working-class men as long as they're on the ball and have potential for securing financial stability or any upward mobility at all. What better reason to get out of the basement and away from the porn and vidya games and into some job/career advancement effort? Everyone wants to be the Dos Equis beer guy without putting in any effort.
Looks only matter for teenagers. Adult women want prestige and financial security, despite all the smarmy lies oozing from feminist pie-holes.
I don't understand the widespread hopelessness expressing itself in MGTOW and the incel thing.
Absent fathers with bad mothers unfortunately.
There are plenty of working-class women out there who want working-class men as long as they're on the ball and have potential for securing financial stability or any upward mobility at all.
Exactly, and all you need to do is be able to hold a conversation that's not awkward for like 3 hours for a chance to meet them and break the proverbial ice. Then it's just about being yourself.
The more I pay attention, the more I realize men are the problem here. Simps, white knights, trad cucks etc. Regardless of why they act the way they do, if they were to stop the pussy worship the world would change overnight.
It's easy to point toward one aspect and assign the blame. Yes, you can say weak men are to blame. But this was also done to men. Men should be strong, absolutely agreed. But it's still worth remember they're weak currently because of what was done to them. Various groups that hate men took over the conversation decades ago. Hell, as pathetic as many men are nowadays, it's almost a miracle they're not worse, considering what's been shoved down their throats for so long.
So, yes, men need to man the fuck up. But that's not 1:1 saying it's their fault, either. They certainly share some of the blame, but they've also been victimized.
All men have not been tradcucks throughout history. At best only high class men were like that, and only in recent history. Most of human history has been treating women as lesser, including all throughout civilization, across multiple cultures
Which just means that we reject the most fundamental facts that there are, because as Sowell pointed out, the more fundamental a truth is, the earlier it will be discovered.
Somehow, humanity survived just fine for 250,000 with basically all men being 'tradcucks'.
We all lived in harmony, until the washing machines and condoms attacked.
What you're forgetting is that women being kept around was a product of the men not being able to do everything themselves either through being away to hunt in early humanity, or working on the farms, or working in factories as society progressed. Women were kept around to tend the home and raise the kids that came from a world without reliable contraception.
Nobody has 10 kids now because nobody wants that many. Nobody ever did.
Nobody needs a wife because I can just go into a store and buy machines that will wash dishes, clean clothes and even vacuum, and they cost far less than keeping a dependent human being that feels no gratitude and is about as loyal as the French military is to their allies.
There's no selling point unless you believe the meme of regular sex in marriage (maybe for her, with other people) or you are a traditionalist constrained by religion.
We all lived in harmony, until the washing machines and condoms attacked.
Guy still has not read 'The Moral Animal', and yet opines authoritatively based on nothing more than his petty vendetta against 51% of the human population.
What you're forgetting is that women being kept around was a product of the men not being able to do everything themselves either through being away to hunt in early humanity, or working on the farms, or working in factories as society progressed.
Yes, sexual dimorphism is definitely a sine qua non for a division of labor.
Nobody has 10 kids now because nobody wants that many. Nobody ever did.
Your genes want infinity kids.
about as loyal as the French military is to their allies.
Somehow, I don't think this is a comment on 1859, so what is this about?
There's no selling point
Good thing washing machines weren't around 250,000 years ago, or - you think - humanity would have gone extinct that same generation.
And if women stopped breeding with the worst aspects of society, then raising those confused children with their indoctrination, the world would also change overnight.
Magically, both sexes are fucking retards making the world worse.
That isn’t helping but probably isn’t the bigger issue. The war on masculinity made men no longer men and women were then free to become full on children. Most people don’t ‘grow up’ anymore and become adults, either.
It isn’t so much that women are breeding with the worst men as we’ve destroyed the number of great men by making them act like women, cutting them down as boys. A lot of guys now may as well have been raised on puberty blockers. That movement is a natural progression of what was already going on. Being a ‘man’ turned into what clothes you wear. Same with being a ‘woman’. The trans movement is just an acknowledgement of that. That is what being a man and woman has come to mean in America in many places, usually the bluer cities. The differences have become cosmetic. Gender dysphoria is just a culmination of that fact in someone’s mind. Being an ugly women is also a lot easier than being an ugly man.
Incentivizing people that can’t care for their kids to have the most is a giant problem though.
The war on masculinity took place after women were already freed to become children. The "sexual revolution" took place at a time when men were either still men (though aged) or just straight dying in a war, yet is the most important event that ruined women going forward.
The war on masculinity is a direct result of women's inability to understand what they want, their resentment of not having it, and numerous other neurosis brought on by their "freedom" scaring them.
Literal life itself is decided by who women allow to pass on their genes. That's fucking evolution itself, the most basic of biology. Nothing is bigger than that issue.
100%
It all follows from the invention of the birth control pill.
The existence of the pill is what makes arguments in favor of unlimited abortion on demand so aggravating.
It might make sex without pregnancy possible, but too many women don't use it and rely on legal abortion to allow them their promiscuity, which is totally mercenary, thanks to millions of years of evolution and the helplessness of the human infant.
It only happened in 1960, and women as a whole are flailing around trying to find some other way to make their lives meaningful in an effort to rise above their "inability to understand what they want, their resentment of not having it, and numerous other neurosis brought on by their 'freedom."
This condition is making everybody crazy and resentful. The weak conservative women's movement that seeks to reclaim the virtues of motherhood and domesticity has been fighting an uphill battle, to say the least.
If we did not deny biology, maybe this could actually be addressed.
That ship sailed a long time ago. In a way transgenderism is just the end result of this, but long before society deified pedophiles in drag it deluded itself into thinking that women's bad mating choices are compatible with the building/maintenance of civilization. All the legal and social mores that the feminists are destroying are incentive structures put in place to get women to make better choices in men, which in turn give men the incentive to be good men and help build society. Feminism is just an excuse to revert back to pre-civilizational intergender relations. That's what people mean when they feminism is destroying civilization. The Red Pillers say that feminism is just women optimizing their sexual strategy. I think there's more to it than that, but they're right that female sexual strategy is a huge part of it.
Women have no idea of any "sexual strategy" since sex and childbirth were decoupled by the pill. They still mate "across and up social hierarchies" as J. Peterson might put it.
If only
It would help if society didn't reward this behavior. She finds the shit bag fun and exciting, and because society enables her bad behavior she pops out kids with him. She does this because she knows she'll be able to find some beta to pay for her bad choices when the shit bag bails. Instead of glorifying this degeneracy and trying to police men's standards (something society would never do to women) we should go back to making single mothers pariahs and making divorce a huge taboo instead of a free meal ticket. Behavior is largely the product of the incentives in place. If we stopped rewarding degeneracy we'd get less of it.
That certainly does not help. But I also have this crazy notion that since women are allowed to do things like vote and control their lives, they should be held accountable as adults. Which means they can make choices, such as not doing such things.
A black kid who grew up listening to NWA in the ghetto gets plenty of dopamine hits and rewards for acting like a thug and gangbanger, but at the end of the day he still committed a crime and his punished the same as anyone else (in theory, politics being gay muddies this).
Oh absolutely. The point I'm making is that our refusal to hold women accountable changes the incentive structure for the worse, so we get more shitty behavior. Using your ghetto example: If we refuse to prosecute and punish thuggery and gangbanging we get more of it, as the blue shitholes that elect woke prosecutors prove on a daily basis.
In another comment in this thread I pointed out that the norms that the feminists are destroying are incentive structures that encourage good behavior from women. Some of those incentive structures boil down to accountability. A good example of this is when I brought up making single mothers pariahs again in my above comment.
If the shitbag is rich and propertied, his shitbaggery matters not one iota to a woman.
I agree with your "rewarding degeneracy" comment. The pill and feminism are directly responsible for social experimentation on a huge scale. and engaging in "degeneracy" is a big part of that..
It's almost like humans are inherently flawed beings
I know magic. Yet one are treated as perfect goddesses and the other as retarded neanderthals, thereby making both ignore the foil the other one provides to compensate for their flaws.
single mothers raise simps and criminals. giving women rights was the problem. not men, not women, the system they are in.
Men let it get this bad. If our anscetors (like grandparents) had put their foot down, none of our current mess would exist.
100%. Simps and tradfags have the same view of women as superior to mens lives, and the cucked morality of the west is the result of it.
But these boys are raised that way by the schools. It's like hating kids that went through the Hitler Youth for being Nazis.
It's the parents' fault, not the schools.
Funny that you are still using that argument, after admitting that you hate women despite the fact that they have been brainwashed by schools into being feminists.
He's like the feminists that only have a problem with Muslim men when Muslim women are the ones that pass Islamic beliefs to the kids.
Who runs the schools brainwashing them? This is some chicken and egg logic.
You're not getting out of it that easily. You are saying that individuals are blameless if they were brainwashed. Well, women are brainwashed into feminism. Case closed.
I hope that boys' social networks outside school still provide some alternative socialization. And I don't mean street gangs.
I learned more about life from my peers and family than I ever did in my public school career. Their classroom bullshit only goes so far, if it goes anywhere at all. I dunno. Maybe these days more kids are more involved in and dependent on what happens in school than was the case in the 1970s.
Schoolteachers (especially high school teachers) had always been objects of contempt and ridicule in my social circle and school was something to be avoided except for those classes we were interested in or had girls we were ogling/chasing around.
They're lonely and bitter because their dicks aren't getting wet once in a while with a loving wife.
Just get a girlfriend my dudes. You'll live a much better and less bitter existence.
Yes.
I don't understand the widespread hopelessness expressing itself in MGTOW and the incel thing.
The old saw "every Jack has a Jill" is true. You just have to settle for women that are less than porn-star quality, lower unreasonable expectations about who you can attract given your income/social status or potential for same. There are plenty of working-class women out there who want working-class men as long as they're on the ball and have potential for securing financial stability or any upward mobility at all. What better reason to get out of the basement and away from the porn and vidya games and into some job/career advancement effort? Everyone wants to be the Dos Equis beer guy without putting in any effort.
Looks only matter for teenagers. Adult women want prestige and financial security, despite all the smarmy lies oozing from feminist pie-holes.
Absent fathers with bad mothers unfortunately.
Exactly, and all you need to do is be able to hold a conversation that's not awkward for like 3 hours for a chance to meet them and break the proverbial ice. Then it's just about being yourself.
It's easy to point toward one aspect and assign the blame. Yes, you can say weak men are to blame. But this was also done to men. Men should be strong, absolutely agreed. But it's still worth remember they're weak currently because of what was done to them. Various groups that hate men took over the conversation decades ago. Hell, as pathetic as many men are nowadays, it's almost a miracle they're not worse, considering what's been shoved down their throats for so long.
So, yes, men need to man the fuck up. But that's not 1:1 saying it's their fault, either. They certainly share some of the blame, but they've also been victimized.
the core issue is that women are lazy
Easier said than done. We're literally hardwired to want to please women.
Reap, meet sow.
Somehow, humanity survived just fine for 250,000 with basically all men being 'tradcucks'.
All men have not been tradcucks throughout history. At best only high class men were like that, and only in recent history. Most of human history has been treating women as lesser, including all throughout civilization, across multiple cultures
Slow tap... being a trad involves acknowledging biological differences between men and women, which dimwits claim is 'treating women as lesser'.
99.99999999% of all men who ever lived were "stormcuck" by the incel standard
The worst thing about modernity is that we reject old knowledge and wisdom just for being 'old'.
Which just means that we reject the most fundamental facts that there are, because as Sowell pointed out, the more fundamental a truth is, the earlier it will be discovered.
yes
Women weren't chattel, that's a far-left talking point.
We all lived in harmony, until the washing machines and condoms attacked.
What you're forgetting is that women being kept around was a product of the men not being able to do everything themselves either through being away to hunt in early humanity, or working on the farms, or working in factories as society progressed. Women were kept around to tend the home and raise the kids that came from a world without reliable contraception.
Nobody has 10 kids now because nobody wants that many. Nobody ever did.
Nobody needs a wife because I can just go into a store and buy machines that will wash dishes, clean clothes and even vacuum, and they cost far less than keeping a dependent human being that feels no gratitude and is about as loyal as the French military is to their allies.
There's no selling point unless you believe the meme of regular sex in marriage (maybe for her, with other people) or you are a traditionalist constrained by religion.
Guy still has not read 'The Moral Animal', and yet opines authoritatively based on nothing more than his petty vendetta against 51% of the human population.
Yes, sexual dimorphism is definitely a sine qua non for a division of labor.
Your genes want infinity kids.
Somehow, I don't think this is a comment on 1859, so what is this about?
Good thing washing machines weren't around 250,000 years ago, or - you think - humanity would have gone extinct that same generation.