A) You don't just take to the streets and win a civil war. Controlling the streets is more of a late stage move when you already have established elites and resources to back you.
B) PF always does something that is most convenient for leftist narrative building without actually accomplishing anything.
Those are the two primary critiques of PF, which always get ignored in favor of something about fitness as you just did. Lifting is good. Knowing how to fight is good. They are not simply not hurting my enemies in any meaningful way; they are helping my enemies by giving them more justification to hurt my friends, which is very bad.
I think even more damaging than the bad PR of the group is that we now suspect any slightly radical right wing group that does ANYTHING to be feds. This has effectively paralyzed the radical right, and I suspect planting this suspicion is more likely to be the fed op.
Don't mistake this as an accusation. The feds that planted this I think are more likely to be active on "anonymous" forums.
No. The streets are the source of all power. That is where people live and work every day.
To pretend power is sourced elsewhere is fatal when a true movement requires action in the streets, not some obscure legislative body. Look how people cowered for BLM and antifa rioting. Because that was real, and Twitter world is not.
You've bought into all the liberal myths about organic bottom up revolutions, peaceful or otherwise. It's not the legislative bodies that are the concern. It is far more complex. There are many many nodes of power, from HR directors to sheriff's to the NYT to banks(particularly banks in current year). Mussolini already had established elite support when he marched on Rome as a coup de grace.
Look how people cowered for BLM and antifa rioting.
People cowered from BLM in places they already had allies in power. Antifa was easily scared off by a few guys with guns when those locals knew the sheriff or AG wasn't going to have them arrested for defending themselves.
You guys are so sad. Fed this fed that fed fed fed. You've played yourself. Everybody who disagrees is a fed. The only option is to sit on your keyboard and type fed on kia2.win. Opposition doesn't even know this place exists because it's so irrelevant and you're worried about a fed coming and finding you.
People cowered because they had the backing of the state. If they didn't people would have just shot and killed them and that would have been the end of things. But look at how the state treated anyone who resisted the rioting, like Rittenhouse or the McCloskeys.
TentElephant is right. In order to win a revolution or civil war or whatnot, you need the backing of at least a decent proportion of the elites, or foreign support, or both. The American Revolution succeeded because the revolution had the support of the elites and the French government. The CSA had the support of Southern elites, but did not have enough foreign support, which is why it failed.
A bunch of average Joes trying to foment a revolution are just going to be crushed.
Not sure how it supports your point. If they were doing something illegal or more drastic you'd be calling them glowie even more. They did nothing illegal and still got arrested....That doesnt sound glowie.
If any of these groups were actually on our side, we'd know at least a few of the people involved . We'd have heard of them, or someone would of heard of them. Instead we see a group that just comes out of nowhere, and are meant to be one of ours.
They are FBI plants. If they were an actual far right militia as organized as they're purported to be, we'd never hear their name. Only a string of unexplained bombings.
Word of thumb. The camera hogs are always feds. Especially the camera hogs in matching khaki shorts and Ray-Bans.
Good point. I love the consistency of people supporting these guys as a legit group even though nobody in the dissident right had ever heard of them. "You wouldn't have heard of them because they're actually an effective group. Operational security. They don't need to advertise. Why should they reveal their identities to YOU?"
Meanwhile they give perfectly wrapped soundbites to the media and a whole gang of them gets rounded up on camera. Doing a great job boys!
I also don't think they're actually glowsters (well, not all of them), but they're still cringe as in the humiliating video above.
But this goes back to the basic realities of America. What the American Nazis really lack is the hooligan culture as of the kind you can see in Ukraine (https://youtube.com/watch?v=suzDlbYKLR0) which for had been dominated by the ultranationalists including the "Social National" types since the 1990s. You just don't have scenes like that in the streets: https://youtube.com/watch?v=JID6k9Ab_Vk You see, these cops are scared of them for a reason.
PF gets written off because they glow like the sun. There was a video "leaked" last year of a group of these guys "accidentally" leaving the camera running, and of course 10 seconds after they were supposed to cut, one says "sieg fucking heil."
Even worse, it sounded exactly like a poorly delivered scripted line.
Oh, and even better, when there was initial skepticism about this group because they looked way too fit to be just an average cross-section of society ... a couple weeks later a spreadsheet magically leaked documenting the workout and weight loss of all of their members.
They might not actually be feds, but goddamn do they reek of a psyop.
The worst part about that video is that after it "ended" most of the people in it took off their hats or sunglasses, but not a single one took off their bandana mask.
"Oh man, I can't wait to free my eyes from these constraining sunglasses, but this mask covering my nose and mouth is totally fine."
A) You don't just take to the streets and win a civil war. Controlling the streets is more of a late stage move when you already have established elites and resources to back you.
B) PF always does something that is most convenient for leftist narrative building without actually accomplishing anything.
Those are the two primary critiques of PF, which always get ignored in favor of something about fitness as you just did. Lifting is good. Knowing how to fight is good. They are not simply not hurting my enemies in any meaningful way; they are helping my enemies by giving them more justification to hurt my friends, which is very bad.
I think even more damaging than the bad PR of the group is that we now suspect any slightly radical right wing group that does ANYTHING to be feds. This has effectively paralyzed the radical right, and I suspect planting this suspicion is more likely to be the fed op.
Don't mistake this as an accusation. The feds that planted this I think are more likely to be active on "anonymous" forums.
I would have to agree with you about the fed accusations being an actual fed op.
Its not organic and contradicts the original glowie meme, which provides a humerous (and effective) solution to the fed question.
No. The streets are the source of all power. That is where people live and work every day.
To pretend power is sourced elsewhere is fatal when a true movement requires action in the streets, not some obscure legislative body. Look how people cowered for BLM and antifa rioting. Because that was real, and Twitter world is not.
You've bought into all the liberal myths about organic bottom up revolutions, peaceful or otherwise. It's not the legislative bodies that are the concern. It is far more complex. There are many many nodes of power, from HR directors to sheriff's to the NYT to banks(particularly banks in current year). Mussolini already had established elite support when he marched on Rome as a coup de grace.
People cowered from BLM in places they already had allies in power. Antifa was easily scared off by a few guys with guns when those locals knew the sheriff or AG wasn't going to have them arrested for defending themselves.
No I understand that if you control people where they live and work your authority supersedes someone not present
LOL ok fed. "The People" actually run Western societies and nations. LMAO. What a retarded take.
You guys are so sad. Fed this fed that fed fed fed. You've played yourself. Everybody who disagrees is a fed. The only option is to sit on your keyboard and type fed on kia2.win. Opposition doesn't even know this place exists because it's so irrelevant and you're worried about a fed coming and finding you.
Who do you think delivers the food? Atf agents?
People cowered because they had the backing of the state. If they didn't people would have just shot and killed them and that would have been the end of things. But look at how the state treated anyone who resisted the rioting, like Rittenhouse or the McCloskeys.
TentElephant is right. In order to win a revolution or civil war or whatnot, you need the backing of at least a decent proportion of the elites, or foreign support, or both. The American Revolution succeeded because the revolution had the support of the elites and the French government. The CSA had the support of Southern elites, but did not have enough foreign support, which is why it failed.
A bunch of average Joes trying to foment a revolution are just going to be crushed.
You mean the ones arrested in Idaho?
Thank you for the facts that support my point.
Not sure how it supports your point. If they were doing something illegal or more drastic you'd be calling them glowie even more. They did nothing illegal and still got arrested....That doesnt sound glowie.
If any of these groups were actually on our side, we'd know at least a few of the people involved . We'd have heard of them, or someone would of heard of them. Instead we see a group that just comes out of nowhere, and are meant to be one of ours.
Who tf are you to be notified? Hey guys some spergs on kia2.win don't know about us therefore we are feds.
Holy shit don't you have an FBI picnic to be at or something?
Yes at 12pm gmt thanks for reminding me
They are FBI plants. If they were an actual far right militia as organized as they're purported to be, we'd never hear their name. Only a string of unexplained bombings.
Word of thumb. The camera hogs are always feds. Especially the camera hogs in matching khaki shorts and Ray-Bans.
Good point. I love the consistency of people supporting these guys as a legit group even though nobody in the dissident right had ever heard of them. "You wouldn't have heard of them because they're actually an effective group. Operational security. They don't need to advertise. Why should they reveal their identities to YOU?"
Meanwhile they give perfectly wrapped soundbites to the media and a whole gang of them gets rounded up on camera. Doing a great job boys!
They’re not actually doing anything though. All the cringey marching is just the white conservative equivalent of looting a Nike store.
I also don't think they're actually glowsters (well, not all of them), but they're still cringe as in the humiliating video above.
But this goes back to the basic realities of America. What the American Nazis really lack is the hooligan culture as of the kind you can see in Ukraine (https://youtube.com/watch?v=suzDlbYKLR0) which for had been dominated by the ultranationalists including the "Social National" types since the 1990s. You just don't have scenes like that in the streets: https://youtube.com/watch?v=JID6k9Ab_Vk You see, these cops are scared of them for a reason.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=iMsvqNjgANc
What do their American counterparts have? They have nothing.
PF gets written off because they glow like the sun. There was a video "leaked" last year of a group of these guys "accidentally" leaving the camera running, and of course 10 seconds after they were supposed to cut, one says "sieg fucking heil."
Select all squares containing an image of a Fed.
Even worse, it sounded exactly like a poorly delivered scripted line.
Oh, and even better, when there was initial skepticism about this group because they looked way too fit to be just an average cross-section of society ... a couple weeks later a spreadsheet magically leaked documenting the workout and weight loss of all of their members.
They might not actually be feds, but goddamn do they reek of a psyop.
The worst part about that video is that after it "ended" most of the people in it took off their hats or sunglasses, but not a single one took off their bandana mask.
"Oh man, I can't wait to free my eyes from these constraining sunglasses, but this mask covering my nose and mouth is totally fine."