A) You don't just take to the streets and win a civil war. Controlling the streets is more of a late stage move when you already have established elites and resources to back you.
B) PF always does something that is most convenient for leftist narrative building without actually accomplishing anything.
Those are the two primary critiques of PF, which always get ignored in favor of something about fitness as you just did. Lifting is good. Knowing how to fight is good. They are not simply not hurting my enemies in any meaningful way; they are helping my enemies by giving them more justification to hurt my friends, which is very bad.
I think even more damaging than the bad PR of the group is that we now suspect any slightly radical right wing group that does ANYTHING to be feds. This has effectively paralyzed the radical right, and I suspect planting this suspicion is more likely to be the fed op.
Don't mistake this as an accusation. The feds that planted this I think are more likely to be active on "anonymous" forums.
No. The streets are the source of all power. That is where people live and work every day.
To pretend power is sourced elsewhere is fatal when a true movement requires action in the streets, not some obscure legislative body. Look how people cowered for BLM and antifa rioting. Because that was real, and Twitter world is not.
You guys are so sad. Fed this fed that fed fed fed. You've played yourself. Everybody who disagrees is a fed. The only option is to sit on your keyboard and type fed on kia2.win. Opposition doesn't even know this place exists because it's so irrelevant and you're worried about a fed coming and finding you.
Truckers. Which is why the price of diesel is a big deal. Also important: Growing food, which is why the cost of fertilizer is a big deal. What does any of this have to do with silly people clashing on the street?
You've bought into all the liberal myths about organic bottom up revolutions, peaceful or otherwise. It's not the legislative bodies that are the concern. It is far more complex. There are many many nodes of power, from HR directors to sheriff's to the NYT to banks(particularly banks in current year). Mussolini already had established elite support when he marched on Rome as a coup de grace.
Look how people cowered for BLM and antifa rioting.
People cowered from BLM in places they already had allies in power. Antifa was easily scared off by a few guys with guns when those locals knew the sheriff or AG wasn't going to have them arrested for defending themselves.
So you agree with me that you can't simply take to the streets and win a modern civil? Marching through the streets in uniform is a flex of power that is pre-existing.
People cowered because they had the backing of the state. If they didn't people would have just shot and killed them and that would have been the end of things. But look at how the state treated anyone who resisted the rioting, like Rittenhouse or the McCloskeys.
TentElephant is right. In order to win a revolution or civil war or whatnot, you need the backing of at least a decent proportion of the elites, or foreign support, or both. The American Revolution succeeded because the revolution had the support of the elites and the French government. The CSA had the support of Southern elites, but did not have enough foreign support, which is why it failed.
A bunch of average Joes trying to foment a revolution are just going to be crushed.
Not sure how it supports your point. If they were doing something illegal or more drastic you'd be calling them glowie even more. They did nothing illegal and still got arrested....That doesnt sound glowie.
Power is obviously a top down phenomenon if they can get arrested for not doing anything illegal. What have they accomplished other than producing a photo op for our enemies?
A) You don't just take to the streets and win a civil war. Controlling the streets is more of a late stage move when you already have established elites and resources to back you.
B) PF always does something that is most convenient for leftist narrative building without actually accomplishing anything.
Those are the two primary critiques of PF, which always get ignored in favor of something about fitness as you just did. Lifting is good. Knowing how to fight is good. They are not simply not hurting my enemies in any meaningful way; they are helping my enemies by giving them more justification to hurt my friends, which is very bad.
I think even more damaging than the bad PR of the group is that we now suspect any slightly radical right wing group that does ANYTHING to be feds. This has effectively paralyzed the radical right, and I suspect planting this suspicion is more likely to be the fed op.
Don't mistake this as an accusation. The feds that planted this I think are more likely to be active on "anonymous" forums.
I would have to agree with you about the fed accusations being an actual fed op.
Its not organic and contradicts the original glowie meme, which provides a humerous (and effective) solution to the fed question.
No. The streets are the source of all power. That is where people live and work every day.
To pretend power is sourced elsewhere is fatal when a true movement requires action in the streets, not some obscure legislative body. Look how people cowered for BLM and antifa rioting. Because that was real, and Twitter world is not.
LOL ok fed. "The People" actually run Western societies and nations. LMAO. What a retarded take.
You guys are so sad. Fed this fed that fed fed fed. You've played yourself. Everybody who disagrees is a fed. The only option is to sit on your keyboard and type fed on kia2.win. Opposition doesn't even know this place exists because it's so irrelevant and you're worried about a fed coming and finding you.
Who do you think delivers the food? Atf agents?
Truckers. Which is why the price of diesel is a big deal. Also important: Growing food, which is why the cost of fertilizer is a big deal. What does any of this have to do with silly people clashing on the street?
You've bought into all the liberal myths about organic bottom up revolutions, peaceful or otherwise. It's not the legislative bodies that are the concern. It is far more complex. There are many many nodes of power, from HR directors to sheriff's to the NYT to banks(particularly banks in current year). Mussolini already had established elite support when he marched on Rome as a coup de grace.
People cowered from BLM in places they already had allies in power. Antifa was easily scared off by a few guys with guns when those locals knew the sheriff or AG wasn't going to have them arrested for defending themselves.
No I understand that if you control people where they live and work your authority supersedes someone not present
So you agree with me that you can't simply take to the streets and win a modern civil? Marching through the streets in uniform is a flex of power that is pre-existing.
People cowered because they had the backing of the state. If they didn't people would have just shot and killed them and that would have been the end of things. But look at how the state treated anyone who resisted the rioting, like Rittenhouse or the McCloskeys.
TentElephant is right. In order to win a revolution or civil war or whatnot, you need the backing of at least a decent proportion of the elites, or foreign support, or both. The American Revolution succeeded because the revolution had the support of the elites and the French government. The CSA had the support of Southern elites, but did not have enough foreign support, which is why it failed.
A bunch of average Joes trying to foment a revolution are just going to be crushed.
You mean the ones arrested in Idaho?
Thank you for the facts that support my point.
Not sure how it supports your point. If they were doing something illegal or more drastic you'd be calling them glowie even more. They did nothing illegal and still got arrested....That doesnt sound glowie.
Power is obviously a top down phenomenon if they can get arrested for not doing anything illegal. What have they accomplished other than producing a photo op for our enemies?