'Isolate Russia, isolate its culture and figures, because everything it does to preserve the image of a civilized state is in fact the same as the explosive in the piano.'
I'm always suspicious when something like this supposedly happens to someone who just, coincidentally, knows to tell the rest of the world precisely what it should do, and it is something that the Empire of Lies was already attempting to do.
Because they're "anti-racist", y'know. Just like they're "pro-democracy" by overthrowing governments. They're "pro-free speech" while threatening people who use the letter Z. And they support human rights by blowing up Afghan children and cheering Ukraine shelling civilian areas of Donetsk.
I am not at all persuaded that Vladimir Putin is a greater monster than Western leaders. Even if they're equally bad, the Western leaders have hypocrisy as their state religion, which makes it all the more disgusting.
Or this, on Rassiya 1 (you should know what it is by now, somehow you didn't): https://twitter.com/NotWoofers/status/1524831309746647040 - where they didn't even bother to remove an Ukrainian watermark and the TB2 'HUD' (not literally HUD, it's a drone) while stealing the footage to show as theirs.
It's like how Putin personally showed the most famous Apache guncam video of them all to the clueless demented boomer Oliver Stone as "a Russian video from Syria" and creatively narrated it with dumb bullshit. They don't even try, because they just don't care, at all. "Empire of lies", eh?
Or this, on Rassiya 1 (you should know what it is by now, somehow you didn't): https://twitter.com/NotWoofers/status/1524831309746647040 - where they didn't even bother to remove an Ukrainian watermark and the TB2 HUD while stealing the footage to show as theirs.
I'll gladly take your word for it, but what exactly is the propaganda here? Did the Ukrainians not try and fail to retake Snake Island?
"Empire of lies", eh?
It's the Empire of Lies that has nearly the entire West under its spell, and which is driving us ever closer to nuclear war, not Russia's quite pathetic attempts at propaganda.
Ukrainians bombed the shit out of the island (and the sea, as you could also see with some Russian Raptor patrol boats being shown hit in this video), didn't even try to retake it. Russians just sent a new garrison after everyone died, some ships were seen burning on sat photos again but no details and videos released yet.
No one is even "shelling civilian areas of Donetsk". They just held a May 9 parade there, there's nothing happening there to this degree.
Now, it's actually super easy (and common) to make a VOG into a booby trap. But want to see some actual shameless lies? Try for example "harmless military flares" for thermite firebombing via cluster rockets: https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1507406840702947328
No one is even "shelling civilian areas of Donetsk".
Not only are they doing that, they're using cluster munitions.
I am given to understand that these are Very Bad or Very Good depending on whether rival of the West or Western puppet uses them.
But want to see some actual shameless lies? Try for example "harmless military flares" for thermite firebombing via cluster rockets
I'd say that they look like tracer ammunition, based on my near-zero military knowledge, not firebombs.
But are they phosphorous bombs or not, as the Ukrainians claimed? Are they lying, or not?
Anyway, I never even suggested that the Russians couldn't or wouldn't lie. They just cannot lie so shamelessly as the West, because any lie (and some truths) are immediately challenged by the West's massive propaganda apparat.
It's thermite firebombing just as I told you, and you can compare it with any thermite firebombing videos and photos. Thermite somehow isn't a household name unlike WP because the West pretty much only uses thermite demolition charges. Soviets decided to use it instead of WP and it stayed. They also classify FAE weapons as flame weapons, so FAE launchers are "rocket flamethrowers".
Yes, I have no idea, like I said. But most of all, I know that whenever there is a war, we get overloaded with propaganda.
Thermite somehow isn't a household name unlike WP because the West pretty much only uses thermite demolition charges.
Me no know the difference.
But can you address the fact that cluster munitions are either Very Good or Very Bad depending on whether a rival or puppet of the West is using them? Certainly quite curious. It's almost as if these alleged claims about supposed principles that the West has (except for castrating kids) are all lies, and the West is an evil empire.
You think I have some sort of special love for Russia. No. I just hate the thoroughly evil, absolute lowlifes who rule over me, those who spend 30 years provoking a conflict (while wrecking one country after another), and when the other side finally responds - play wounded innocence "Wh...what, invading a SOVEREIGN country!!!? That's our job!" (Poland is cool though, though very wrong here. Not Russia, but America is the greatest threat.)
It's a completely obvious thermite attack and don't even try playing dumb as they did. Russian illumination flares use parachutes just like in the West, obviously glare very brightly, aren't dropped in hundreds. If it's counterameasures flares they're launched sideways in batches of a few and don't freefall in one direction, against just like in the West. That's not how it works at all.
They're 9M22S submunitions, which have a magnesium casing. They've been using them all over the place, including places they don't make sense. Like at the Mariupol steel plant. If there's anything that can handle being shot with burning metal, it's a steel plant.
Okay, so this one looks standard and also while I have no idea how a piano works it probably makes no sense as a booby trap to be there to begin with. Even if it does make sense somehow it's still needlessly convuloted.
I saw the inside of a piano in a Tom and Jerry cartoon once when I was like 8, but I see you're an expert on the subject of pianos so good for you.
I referred to the the title "The VOG-25P cannot detonate without being fired from a grenade launcher. It is drop safe to 3 m, and has an arming distance of 10-40m." which had nothing about pianos but only false assertions about grenades. You can turn any small munition into a hand grenade or a booby trap and it's not even hard if you just have basic parts.
But it looks placed sideways, so shit makes no sense even if it's just a placeholder safe grenade for a photo. Also I don't think anyone would be going around making such cartoonish contraptions even out of boredom, it's just absurd.
VOG-25's are caseless, you inbred downie. If you actually read what I linked in my first comment you would know that by now.
Here let me help you:
In the VOG-25 shot, the chamber for the propellant powder charge was located directly on the grenade. As a result, there was no need for such an operation as extraction of a spent cartridge case. After the shot, the shooter should only take out another grenade from the bag, insert it into the muzzle of the grenade launcher and push it until it stops in the barrel.
Linking to some Fudd on Gunbroker is top tier retardation. "I know what I got!"
Did you forget they were not inside a gun but in a piano? And that it has an actual casing on the outside? DId you see the pictures? Or is it like the citations you gave me about Jews, which I saved them? :D
He is the same idiot who shared multiple articles claiming Jews are not caucasian and those articles(except the word press one, which did share the research papers debunking itself) did say that indeed they are.
There is one idiot who insisted Egyptians were Caucasians, but the image he used showed Egyptians to the right of Jews, who were in the Mediterranean and right of it of the Caucasian DNA graph. Hahahaha
He expects us to ignore facts or he tries to bend the truth to fit his narrative.
Vog-25s apparently can also be used for IEDs from what I have found out.
I have literally no idea who is right or wrong here.
But I do know that it makes no military sense or any sense to try to put an IED into some girl's piano. Then again, the alleged killings at Bucha also made no sense. And neither does the constant shelling of Donetsk (which however makes more sense as no one in the Empire of Lies cares about anything bad that Ukraine does).
Because they were preparing as a trap to Ukrainian soldiers for when they had to fight inside the city. There are also examples and reports from north of Kiev and the city around it of them booby-trapping closets, pantries and other places. So when the Ukrainian soldier opens the door, or triggers the trap they are either killed or maimed.
But, the killing of civilians by Russians makes sense. We just need to look at how they wage war(and the incident with their equipment, remember Kursk?) to see why they would act the way they do. If they don't care too much about the lives of their own soldiers, why would they care about the lives of civilians of the "enemy"?
So when the Ukrainian soldier opens the door, or triggers the trap they are either killed or maimed.
Urban warfare is such a terrible thing.
If they don't care too much about the lives of their own soldiers, why would they care about the lives of civilians of the "enemy"?
No one cares about his own soldiers unless he is made to care. I don't think this is as much a case of 'caring' or not 'caring'.
He will have to care about the civilians of the enemy, because he hopes to rule this territory. Moreover, it is used as propaganda against him. The very light hand in the early days of the war either shows not wanting to kill even enemy soldiers (in the hopes they would surrender), or extreme military incompetence.
No one cares about his own soldiers unless he is made to care. I don't think this is as much a case of 'caring' or not 'caring'.
NATO goes to great lengths to try and recover a soldier. Because the idea that when you are hurt or die, that someone will at least try to get to you is a great morale booster.
extreme military incompetence.
That's pretty much what Russia is doing. After seeing Russia in Georgia and now in Ukraine, extreme incompetence is what rules. The Moskva sinking, for instance, it was marred in incompetence, bad maintenance, and much more.
https://twitter.com/GrangerE04117/status/1522643831736332288
We can even see on the tires of their trucks, they are still using tires built during the soviet union or shortly after it fell(before they could replace the forms). Worse still, they were even using like 3 or 4 nuts in a wheel that should take at least 8 or more.
https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status/1521182849000423426
But I do know that it makes no military sense or any sense to try to put an IED into some girl's piano
What sense do you seek from average Russian soldier? Average Russian soldier would shoot their own wife if that was an order (and yes, I heard that from said average Russian officer). Booby trapping a piano for lulz? That's just being creative. And that's given that I personally don't believe that story all that much.
And neither does the constant shelling of Donetsk
Yeah, Donetsk so constantly shelled it has roads more intact than any unshelled city in Russia, let alone houses (before the war, that is).
What sense do you seek from average Russian soldier?
How exactly would this benefit them?
Average Russian soldier would shoot their own wife if that was an order (and yes, I heard that from said average Russian officer).
Empty bragging, I assume. My soldiers are SO obedient, they'd shoot their own mother if I gave them the order. They're not exactly Prussians. And this would not explain the poor morale that is frequently asserted about Russians right now.
Typical Russians don't act in self-benefit, they act in dragging everyone else down. Trust me, I am very familiar with this routine having grown up in it.
Empty bragging, I assume.
Nope, a very real case when that came to deal with protests in Far East when Putin decided it was time to change the local duke for someone from his security.
My soldiers are SO obedient, they'd shoot their own mother if I gave them the order.
No, he was talking about himself above all, and outright warning (threatening if you wish) his wife not to appear on said protests because that would be the consequence. He could get an order to shoot and he would shoot, even if above the head.
And this would not explain the poor morale that is frequently asserted about Russians right now.
Does it need to? If anything, there's a myriad reasons for poor morale for Russian troops self-evident to anyone who bothered to follow this war.
I'm always suspicious when something like this supposedly happens to someone who just, coincidentally, knows to tell the rest of the world precisely what it should do, and it is something that the Empire of Lies was already attempting to do.
Because they're "anti-racist", y'know. Just like they're "pro-democracy" by overthrowing governments. They're "pro-free speech" while threatening people who use the letter Z. And they support human rights by blowing up Afghan children and cheering Ukraine shelling civilian areas of Donetsk.
I am not at all persuaded that Vladimir Putin is a greater monster than Western leaders. Even if they're equally bad, the Western leaders have hypocrisy as their state religion, which makes it all the more disgusting.
THey had to run from their town, and yet the home was (totally?) intact?
sounds like demons
Only Donetsk and not Luhansk? You make Supreme Comrade Lasechik sad by forgetting his glorious People's Republic.
They're closer to Donetsk city so I think that's why they are always shelling that rather than Luhansk.
Or this, on Rassiya 1 (you should know what it is by now, somehow you didn't): https://twitter.com/NotWoofers/status/1524831309746647040 - where they didn't even bother to remove an Ukrainian watermark and the TB2 'HUD' (not literally HUD, it's a drone) while stealing the footage to show as theirs.
It's like how Putin personally showed the most famous Apache guncam video of them all to the clueless demented boomer Oliver Stone as "a Russian video from Syria" and creatively narrated it with dumb bullshit. They don't even try, because they just don't care, at all. "Empire of lies", eh?
I'll gladly take your word for it, but what exactly is the propaganda here? Did the Ukrainians not try and fail to retake Snake Island?
It's the Empire of Lies that has nearly the entire West under its spell, and which is driving us ever closer to nuclear war, not Russia's quite pathetic attempts at propaganda.
Ukrainians bombed the shit out of the island (and the sea, as you could also see with some Russian Raptor patrol boats being shown hit in this video), didn't even try to retake it. Russians just sent a new garrison after everyone died, some ships were seen burning on sat photos again but no details and videos released yet.
No one is even "shelling civilian areas of Donetsk". They just held a May 9 parade there, there's nothing happening there to this degree.
Now, it's actually super easy (and common) to make a VOG into a booby trap. But want to see some actual shameless lies? Try for example "harmless military flares" for thermite firebombing via cluster rockets: https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1507406840702947328
Not only are they doing that, they're using cluster munitions.
I am given to understand that these are Very Bad or Very Good depending on whether rival of the West or Western puppet uses them.
I'd say that they look like tracer ammunition, based on my near-zero military knowledge, not firebombs.
But are they phosphorous bombs or not, as the Ukrainians claimed? Are they lying, or not?
Anyway, I never even suggested that the Russians couldn't or wouldn't lie. They just cannot lie so shamelessly as the West, because any lie (and some truths) are immediately challenged by the West's massive propaganda apparat.
Actually lmao
It's thermite firebombing just as I told you, and you can compare it with any thermite firebombing videos and photos. Thermite somehow isn't a household name unlike WP because the West pretty much only uses thermite demolition charges. Soviets decided to use it instead of WP and it stayed. They also classify FAE weapons as flame weapons, so FAE launchers are "rocket flamethrowers".
Yes, I have no idea, like I said. But most of all, I know that whenever there is a war, we get overloaded with propaganda.
Me no know the difference.
But can you address the fact that cluster munitions are either Very Good or Very Bad depending on whether a rival or puppet of the West is using them? Certainly quite curious. It's almost as if these alleged claims about supposed principles that the West has (except for castrating kids) are all lies, and the West is an evil empire.
You think I have some sort of special love for Russia. No. I just hate the thoroughly evil, absolute lowlifes who rule over me, those who spend 30 years provoking a conflict (while wrecking one country after another), and when the other side finally responds - play wounded innocence "Wh...what, invading a SOVEREIGN country!!!? That's our job!" (Poland is cool though, though very wrong here. Not Russia, but America is the greatest threat.)
A Russian MP just said today how Poland is next in line for the denazification lol
Thermite burns orangeish-red, magnesium burns white. Those are magnesium flares.
It's a completely obvious thermite attack and don't even try playing dumb as they did. Russian illumination flares use parachutes just like in the West, obviously glare very brightly, aren't dropped in hundreds. If it's counterameasures flares they're launched sideways in batches of a few and don't freefall in one direction, against just like in the West. That's not how it works at all.
It's obviously not thermite because thermite glows red.
https://twitter.com/KyleJGlen/status/1512188269584338944
Eagerly awaiting your another retarded reply.
Here you have some more:
https://twitter.com/OfficerEnclave/status/1519066095700918275
https://twitter.com/PopularFront_/status/1518292039137476613 (the harmless military flares in daylight, becuase you never have enough harmless illumination)
They're 9M22S submunitions, which have a magnesium casing. They've been using them all over the place, including places they don't make sense. Like at the Mariupol steel plant. If there's anything that can handle being shot with burning metal, it's a steel plant.
Info on the VOG-25: https://archive.ph/WMJzE#selection-289.0-289.352
The woman probably put the grenade there herself for attention.
You seriously never heard of khattabka, or are you just playing an idiot thinking everyone here doesn't know weapons and will just believe you?
Don't they need to modify the fuse for that to work? Looks like the bog-standard VOG-25 in the article.
They used a file photo.
No, scroll up to the photo of the piano- looks identical to your "file photo"
At least one person looked at the article.
Okay, so this one looks standard and also while I have no idea how a piano works it probably makes no sense as a booby trap to be there to begin with. Even if it does make sense somehow it's still needlessly convuloted.
Was that really so hard, just reading the damn article?
kek. this is really the state of zelenskis fanbois.
6 comments down you admit that you have no idea what the orientation was nor the specifics of this article. NICE zelenskifanbois in disarray
I saw the inside of a piano in a Tom and Jerry cartoon once when I was like 8, but I see you're an expert on the subject of pianos so good for you.
I referred to the the title "The VOG-25P cannot detonate without being fired from a grenade launcher. It is drop safe to 3 m, and has an arming distance of 10-40m." which had nothing about pianos but only false assertions about grenades. You can turn any small munition into a hand grenade or a booby trap and it's not even hard if you just have basic parts.
All it's going to do there is jam the hammers, I'm pretty sure. If you want that grenade to go off you have to hit the pointy end really hard.
But it looks placed sideways, so shit makes no sense even if it's just a placeholder safe grenade for a photo. Also I don't think anyone would be going around making such cartoonish contraptions even out of boredom, it's just absurd.
It also seems to be missing the casing. Suggesting modification.
https://bulcomersks.com/military-products/ammunition/under-barrel-revolver-grenade-ammunitions/40mm-round-arfg-25p-vog-25p/
cut away to show the casing missing
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/921327102
VOG-25's are caseless, you inbred downie. If you actually read what I linked in my first comment you would know that by now.
Here let me help you:
Linking to some Fudd on Gunbroker is top tier retardation. "I know what I got!"
Did you forget they were not inside a gun but in a piano? And that it has an actual casing on the outside? DId you see the pictures? Or is it like the citations you gave me about Jews, which I saved them? :D
https://i.imgur.com/li2wPj8.png
it looks like a 25 nonP case. so the article might also be wrong.
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It's the same photo as in for example https://cat-uxo.com/explosive-hazards/grenades/40mm-vog-25p-projected-grenade etc.
He is the same idiot who shared multiple articles claiming Jews are not caucasian and those articles(except the word press one, which did share the research papers debunking itself) did say that indeed they are.
There is one idiot who insisted Egyptians were Caucasians, but the image he used showed Egyptians to the right of Jews, who were in the Mediterranean and right of it of the Caucasian DNA graph. Hahahaha
He expects us to ignore facts or he tries to bend the truth to fit his narrative.
Vog-25s apparently can also be used for IEDs from what I have found out.
Caucasian Jews are the Mountain Jews lol
Here's the image he used. I had to annotate it for him to understand.
https://i.imgur.com/li2wPj8.png
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In regards to what happened, this looks like propaganda as that launcher grenade does not look like it was converted into a hand grenade.
Edit: I just deleted a ton of double posts, why hasn't a mod caught this?
This does read like propaganda to me but the arming mechanism of the VOG-25 can be defeated, which is how they're commonly dropped from DIY drones.
Agreed, reads a bit like propaganda, but you are right, the arming mechanism can be defeated and used like bombs.
That isn't a VOG-25.
You can make a khattabka from even mortar rounds and PGs: https://twitter.com/calibreobscura/status/1135861049884925952
Of course it can't you just need to replace the fuse. This is how you create hand grenade called khattabka.
You tried to be smart but you don't know shit. Or you just play an idiot, either that.
You don't make hand grenades out of tube launched grenades retard.
Yes, you do. Or more exactly, the Chechens do.
Retard, you can.
I have literally no idea who is right or wrong here.
But I do know that it makes no military sense or any sense to try to put an IED into some girl's piano. Then again, the alleged killings at Bucha also made no sense. And neither does the constant shelling of Donetsk (which however makes more sense as no one in the Empire of Lies cares about anything bad that Ukraine does).
Because they were preparing as a trap to Ukrainian soldiers for when they had to fight inside the city. There are also examples and reports from north of Kiev and the city around it of them booby-trapping closets, pantries and other places. So when the Ukrainian soldier opens the door, or triggers the trap they are either killed or maimed.
But, the killing of civilians by Russians makes sense. We just need to look at how they wage war(and the incident with their equipment, remember Kursk?) to see why they would act the way they do. If they don't care too much about the lives of their own soldiers, why would they care about the lives of civilians of the "enemy"?
EDIT: Some examples of booby traps https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1511782023555342337
Urban warfare is such a terrible thing.
No one cares about his own soldiers unless he is made to care. I don't think this is as much a case of 'caring' or not 'caring'.
He will have to care about the civilians of the enemy, because he hopes to rule this territory. Moreover, it is used as propaganda against him. The very light hand in the early days of the war either shows not wanting to kill even enemy soldiers (in the hopes they would surrender), or extreme military incompetence.
It is, it really is.
NATO goes to great lengths to try and recover a soldier. Because the idea that when you are hurt or die, that someone will at least try to get to you is a great morale booster.
That's pretty much what Russia is doing. After seeing Russia in Georgia and now in Ukraine, extreme incompetence is what rules. The Moskva sinking, for instance, it was marred in incompetence, bad maintenance, and much more. https://twitter.com/GrangerE04117/status/1522643831736332288
We can even see on the tires of their trucks, they are still using tires built during the soviet union or shortly after it fell(before they could replace the forms). Worse still, they were even using like 3 or 4 nuts in a wheel that should take at least 8 or more. https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status/1521182849000423426
they took heavier losses by going light early on in the war.
saying "they dont care about their own soldiers so they also dont care about civs" is not exclusive in this war.
Nope, but it is something that seems to be a signature of the Russian army throughout the decades.
What sense do you seek from average Russian soldier? Average Russian soldier would shoot their own wife if that was an order (and yes, I heard that from said average Russian officer). Booby trapping a piano for lulz? That's just being creative. And that's given that I personally don't believe that story all that much.
Yeah, Donetsk so constantly shelled it has roads more intact than any unshelled city in Russia, let alone houses (before the war, that is).
How exactly would this benefit them?
Empty bragging, I assume. My soldiers are SO obedient, they'd shoot their own mother if I gave them the order. They're not exactly Prussians. And this would not explain the poor morale that is frequently asserted about Russians right now.
Typical Russians don't act in self-benefit, they act in dragging everyone else down. Trust me, I am very familiar with this routine having grown up in it.
Nope, a very real case when that came to deal with protests in Far East when Putin decided it was time to change the local duke for someone from his security.
No, he was talking about himself above all, and outright warning (threatening if you wish) his wife not to appear on said protests because that would be the consequence. He could get an order to shoot and he would shoot, even if above the head.
Does it need to? If anything, there's a myriad reasons for poor morale for Russian troops self-evident to anyone who bothered to follow this war.
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