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Once again western media lies while shilling for Ukraine. The VOG-25P cannot detonate without being fired from a grenade launcher. It is drop safe to 3 m, and has an arming distance of 10-40m. (archive.ph)
posted 4 years ago by CatoTheElder 4 years ago by CatoTheElder +36 / -0
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– AntonioOfVenice 9 points 4 years ago +9 / -0

I have literally no idea who is right or wrong here.

But I do know that it makes no military sense or any sense to try to put an IED into some girl's piano. Then again, the alleged killings at Bucha also made no sense. And neither does the constant shelling of Donetsk (which however makes more sense as no one in the Empire of Lies cares about anything bad that Ukraine does).

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– RealDrJester 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Because they were preparing as a trap to Ukrainian soldiers for when they had to fight inside the city. There are also examples and reports from north of Kiev and the city around it of them booby-trapping closets, pantries and other places. So when the Ukrainian soldier opens the door, or triggers the trap they are either killed or maimed.

But, the killing of civilians by Russians makes sense. We just need to look at how they wage war(and the incident with their equipment, remember Kursk?) to see why they would act the way they do. If they don't care too much about the lives of their own soldiers, why would they care about the lives of civilians of the "enemy"?

EDIT: Some examples of booby traps https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1511782023555342337

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– AntonioOfVenice 8 points 4 years ago +8 / -0

So when the Ukrainian soldier opens the door, or triggers the trap they are either killed or maimed.

Urban warfare is such a terrible thing.

If they don't care too much about the lives of their own soldiers, why would they care about the lives of civilians of the "enemy"?

No one cares about his own soldiers unless he is made to care. I don't think this is as much a case of 'caring' or not 'caring'.

He will have to care about the civilians of the enemy, because he hopes to rule this territory. Moreover, it is used as propaganda against him. The very light hand in the early days of the war either shows not wanting to kill even enemy soldiers (in the hopes they would surrender), or extreme military incompetence.

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– RealDrJester 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Urban warfare is such a terrible thing.

It is, it really is.

No one cares about his own soldiers unless he is made to care. I don't think this is as much a case of 'caring' or not 'caring'.

NATO goes to great lengths to try and recover a soldier. Because the idea that when you are hurt or die, that someone will at least try to get to you is a great morale booster.

extreme military incompetence.

That's pretty much what Russia is doing. After seeing Russia in Georgia and now in Ukraine, extreme incompetence is what rules. The Moskva sinking, for instance, it was marred in incompetence, bad maintenance, and much more. https://twitter.com/GrangerE04117/status/1522643831736332288

We can even see on the tires of their trucks, they are still using tires built during the soviet union or shortly after it fell(before they could replace the forms). Worse still, they were even using like 3 or 4 nuts in a wheel that should take at least 8 or more. https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status/1521182849000423426

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– BidenLikesMiners 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

they took heavier losses by going light early on in the war.

saying "they dont care about their own soldiers so they also dont care about civs" is not exclusive in this war.

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– RealDrJester 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

is not exclusive in this war.

Nope, but it is something that seems to be a signature of the Russian army throughout the decades.

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– lolfail9001 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

But I do know that it makes no military sense or any sense to try to put an IED into some girl's piano

What sense do you seek from average Russian soldier? Average Russian soldier would shoot their own wife if that was an order (and yes, I heard that from said average Russian officer). Booby trapping a piano for lulz? That's just being creative. And that's given that I personally don't believe that story all that much.

And neither does the constant shelling of Donetsk

Yeah, Donetsk so constantly shelled it has roads more intact than any unshelled city in Russia, let alone houses (before the war, that is).

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– AntonioOfVenice 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

What sense do you seek from average Russian soldier?

How exactly would this benefit them?

Average Russian soldier would shoot their own wife if that was an order (and yes, I heard that from said average Russian officer).

Empty bragging, I assume. My soldiers are SO obedient, they'd shoot their own mother if I gave them the order. They're not exactly Prussians. And this would not explain the poor morale that is frequently asserted about Russians right now.

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– lolfail9001 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

How exactly would this benefit them?

Typical Russians don't act in self-benefit, they act in dragging everyone else down. Trust me, I am very familiar with this routine having grown up in it.

Empty bragging, I assume.

Nope, a very real case when that came to deal with protests in Far East when Putin decided it was time to change the local duke for someone from his security.

My soldiers are SO obedient, they'd shoot their own mother if I gave them the order.

No, he was talking about himself above all, and outright warning (threatening if you wish) his wife not to appear on said protests because that would be the consequence. He could get an order to shoot and he would shoot, even if above the head.

And this would not explain the poor morale that is frequently asserted about Russians right now.

Does it need to? If anything, there's a myriad reasons for poor morale for Russian troops self-evident to anyone who bothered to follow this war.

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