A 5 year old boy tried to molest me as a kid (He took off his pants and tried to get me to touch him but I ran) and it turned out his father was in jail for molesting kids. Abusers breed abusers, indeed.
Why is his age included in the headline but hers isn't? Not everyone will know the US grading system and even then birthdays will happen so it won't be precise.
Plus grade doesn't necessarily determine age range anyways as it could be an extremely smart 6 year old or a mentally challenged 25 year old, the latter being something we had in our 3rd grade classes.
mentally challenged 25 year old in a class of children
That doesn't seem like a great idea what with the massive difference in size and power a 25 y/o will have over anyone under 10. Add in different mental issues and you have a time bomb waiting to go off in many cases.
To be fair I had a guy who was 18 or 19 in my grade 4 class. In addition to being non vocal he also had some bone disorder leaving him wheelchair bound.
The end result left him as a large sloth like creature that most of the class found unsettling, rather than anything that would be dangerous to the children.
Why don't we let teenagers drive? Why don't we let teenagers vote? Why shouldn't we let teenagers undergo radical hormonal therapies and surgeries in order to try and change their genders?
Either they're mature enough to be treated as adults with all of an adult's agency and the responsibility that goes along with it, or they're not.
This kid is clearly broken, possibly beyond fixing, but it seems clear that he is not entirely responsible for his own actions.
This is nonsense. We don't let teenagers drive because they haven't yet demonstrated to the government's satisfaction that they have the skillset to safely operate a motor vehicle and obey all the relevant traffic laws. It is not because we assume a 15 year old is a sociopath who will start racking up kills like they're playing Carmageddon if we give them the chance. Teenagers shouldn't be held to adult standards of negligence or of understanding nuanced moral questions, but "Should he rape and murder his cousin?" is not a nuanced moral question.
You've missed the point entirely. Legal precedents are based on the principle of consistency. If you want to punish a 14-year-old as you would an adult for committing a crime, then you need to establish that a 14-year-old has the cognitive capacity, the maturity and the experience to premeditate and carry out an action with the same degree of agency that an adult would. If you succeed in making that case, then you will have set a precedent that will be used to justify letting 14-year-olds make all sorts of decisions that they shouldn't be allowed to make without a responsible adult.
A 14-year-old is not an adult. No matter how horrific his crime, you can't simply decide to treat him like an adult only when he commits a crime and not when he wants to live on his own, manage his own finances or cut his dick off. If he's not mature enough to do those things with an adult's degree of responsibility, then you can't argue that he's capable of an adult's degree of responsibility when he murders someone.
There is no such precedent, because not all decisions are equal. Just because society allows a child to exchange their pocket money for candy doesn't mean we allow them to take out a loan; and just because we allow an adult to take out a loan doesn't mean we allow them to take out a loan at usurious interest rates. Expecting a teenager to be morally competent to make the simplest of decisions does not demand we throw them into the deep end and expect them to navigate less intuitive, more complex decisions.
Do you believe that a teenager who is clearly a victim of emotional abuse and psychological grooming should be allowed to cut his dick off and attempt to transition to a girl? I'm hoping you answer is no.
In which case, it makes no sense to argue that a teenager, who is likely also the victim of abuse and psychological grooming by an adult who definitely should have his dick cut off, preferably while awake, is capable of being held to the same degree of responsibility as an adult when he commits a crime.
I am not arguing that this kid shouldn't be held responsible and punished. I'm arguing that holding him to the same degree of responsibility that we would hold a grown man to is not appropriate.
Hmmm. 14 years old. Funny. Was doing some research on this a few days back and actually found a study that showed a large spike around the age 14 for offenders sexually assaulting prepubescents.
Why do I feel like we're back to shitty political manipulators spamming out teenage sex stuff again? Like the left is getting people angry with them for trying to groom kids into other sexualities, so...now it's the rights turn to do the same shit?
Abusers produce more abusers.
As brutal as it sounds, the rot needs to be cut out root and branch lest it spreads.
A 5 year old boy tried to molest me as a kid (He took off his pants and tried to get me to touch him but I ran) and it turned out his father was in jail for molesting kids. Abusers breed abusers, indeed.
Why is his age included in the headline but hers isn't? Not everyone will know the US grading system and even then birthdays will happen so it won't be precise.
She was 10, btw.
Plus grade doesn't necessarily determine age range anyways as it could be an extremely smart 6 year old or a mentally challenged 25 year old, the latter being something we had in our 3rd grade classes.
That doesn't seem like a great idea what with the massive difference in size and power a 25 y/o will have over anyone under 10. Add in different mental issues and you have a time bomb waiting to go off in many cases.
To be fair I had a guy who was 18 or 19 in my grade 4 class. In addition to being non vocal he also had some bone disorder leaving him wheelchair bound.
The end result left him as a large sloth like creature that most of the class found unsettling, rather than anything that would be dangerous to the children.
So situations like that are possible.
Dodgeball would be a massacre.
Would be funny to watch though.
Yes that is exactly what I envisioned, and definitely not myself as the 25 year old retard btfoing children.
Could be some kind of law meant to protect victims.
Tell me why we don't execute teenage killers again? Not even possible to sentence them to death when they reach 18.
Why don't we let teenagers drive? Why don't we let teenagers vote? Why shouldn't we let teenagers undergo radical hormonal therapies and surgeries in order to try and change their genders?
Either they're mature enough to be treated as adults with all of an adult's agency and the responsibility that goes along with it, or they're not.
This kid is clearly broken, possibly beyond fixing, but it seems clear that he is not entirely responsible for his own actions.
This is nonsense. We don't let teenagers drive because they haven't yet demonstrated to the government's satisfaction that they have the skillset to safely operate a motor vehicle and obey all the relevant traffic laws. It is not because we assume a 15 year old is a sociopath who will start racking up kills like they're playing Carmageddon if we give them the chance. Teenagers shouldn't be held to adult standards of negligence or of understanding nuanced moral questions, but "Should he rape and murder his cousin?" is not a nuanced moral question.
You've missed the point entirely. Legal precedents are based on the principle of consistency. If you want to punish a 14-year-old as you would an adult for committing a crime, then you need to establish that a 14-year-old has the cognitive capacity, the maturity and the experience to premeditate and carry out an action with the same degree of agency that an adult would. If you succeed in making that case, then you will have set a precedent that will be used to justify letting 14-year-olds make all sorts of decisions that they shouldn't be allowed to make without a responsible adult.
A 14-year-old is not an adult. No matter how horrific his crime, you can't simply decide to treat him like an adult only when he commits a crime and not when he wants to live on his own, manage his own finances or cut his dick off. If he's not mature enough to do those things with an adult's degree of responsibility, then you can't argue that he's capable of an adult's degree of responsibility when he murders someone.
There is no such precedent, because not all decisions are equal. Just because society allows a child to exchange their pocket money for candy doesn't mean we allow them to take out a loan; and just because we allow an adult to take out a loan doesn't mean we allow them to take out a loan at usurious interest rates. Expecting a teenager to be morally competent to make the simplest of decisions does not demand we throw them into the deep end and expect them to navigate less intuitive, more complex decisions.
Do you believe that a teenager who is clearly a victim of emotional abuse and psychological grooming should be allowed to cut his dick off and attempt to transition to a girl? I'm hoping you answer is no.
In which case, it makes no sense to argue that a teenager, who is likely also the victim of abuse and psychological grooming by an adult who definitely should have his dick cut off, preferably while awake, is capable of being held to the same degree of responsibility as an adult when he commits a crime.
I am not arguing that this kid shouldn't be held responsible and punished. I'm arguing that holding him to the same degree of responsibility that we would hold a grown man to is not appropriate.
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Hmmm. 14 years old. Funny. Was doing some research on this a few days back and actually found a study that showed a large spike around the age 14 for offenders sexually assaulting prepubescents.
Why do I feel like we're back to shitty political manipulators spamming out teenage sex stuff again? Like the left is getting people angry with them for trying to groom kids into other sexualities, so...now it's the rights turn to do the same shit?
Honestly, shut the fuck up.
Yeah, with his genetics.