Wait until these fuckwits discover the litany of languages where entire words or concepts are male or female, where women have to speak a subtly different version of the language, where family names are different for women, etc.
Like in old Norse. if a man named Thor has a Daughter named Brigit her full name would be Brigit Thorsdottir, While his son Gunnar would be Gunnar Thorson
Actually, "masculine and feminine", not "male or female". There's a subtle difference. One can be a masculine female, or an effeminate male, or a masculine sexless creature (hypothetically, something like Piccolo's species from Dragon Ball - they're asexual but masculine.)
If you went through a dictionary and scored all the words on a "male"/"female" and then a "masculine"/"feminine" scale the difference would be like 5 words.
Would actually be an interesting experiment to see if Germans would still call girls "it" if they had a do-over (das Maedchen, Es heisst Lisa, etc).
How the hell is the language sexist? You know if I were to stretch really, really, really far I could see how something like Spanish with the whole masculine words could be considered sexist. But, English, really?
I hear Russian is a bad language because you know muh Ukraine.
That is just using the first declension. The nouns themselves remain male. If you want to use an adjective for them, you would use the male form (if the individual male).
Nope. Adjectives agree in case, number, and gender. Parva nauta (the small sailor), not parvus nauta; or bona agricula (the good farmer), for instance.
What you ought to have said is that people come in sexes of which there are exactly two, and gender is just language (and in Latin there are three). Romans werent trying to imply every farmer is a girl :)
Nope. Adjectives agree in case, number, and gender. Parva nauta (the small sailor), not parvus nauta; or bona agricula (the good farmer), for instance.
Correct as to the first part. But since the gender of 'agricola' is male, it will be parvus agricola. Just checked Oxford's Latin Desk Dictionary for you, and the gender of 'nauta' is also male.
You are declension for the gender. Words of the first declension ending in -a are almost always female. These are some exceptions. Just like 'manus' is female and 'virus' is neuter.
What you ought to have said is that people come in sexes of which there are exactly two, and gender is just language (and in Latin there are three).
Yup. Grammatical gender is something completely different from actual gender. That is why 'moon' is female in Romance languages but male in German (I believe).
Romans werent trying to imply every farmer is a girl :)
Actually, none was. There are some words that may be female or male, like dies, but agricola is only male.
So ... dig out the Cassell's dictionary and would ya believe you have it -- AND the entry has a suitable masculine adjectival example. Somehow that got sideways in my memory and since all those were buried in boxes for a few decades, and hardly in daily use, I got it stuck in my head wrong.
"Woman" is a corruption of "wyfman," which means "person who weaves, " so the last post is half-correct. "Wer" and "guma" were the most common words for "man" back then.
FYI the real manual has no such BS -- happened to have the box in easy reach (don't ask). "Alignment - describes your character's outlook toward the world, and his general ethical status. The possibilities are GOOD, NEUTRAL, or EVIL." ...
There's not a hint of a whisper of caring whether you conceive of your characters as male, female, or two-dimensional bags of hitpoints and statistics.
Never miss an opportunity to point out that males never got a pronoun of their own -- 'he' means anyone, but 'she' only means females -- and so the gender pronoun people are the real sexists.
I like the implication from how they presented this that women wouldn't help old ladies across the street, that's strictly a male thing even if its a "they" used.
As we know, women never do anything without knowing what's in it for them so the entire alignment system is superfluous.
If they didn’t want to assume the player was male they could have placed a “he/she” in there once at the beginning. It’s weird, awkward, and pedantic, but it is a solution that is commonly accepted to a problem only had by people with no real problems.
I think it was a male retard. I don't think a female diversity hire would assume that the adventurer is male. Hell, I often see supposed men use a 'generic she', which is absolute cringe.
It’s best for our own sanity not to think about it too hard. I mean you wouldn’t ask the homeless guy screaming in the middle of the street to speak a bit clearer because you’re missing out on his speech.
Wait until these fuckwits discover the litany of languages where entire words or concepts are male or female, where women have to speak a subtly different version of the language, where family names are different for women, etc.
Like in old Norse. if a man named Thor has a Daughter named Brigit her full name would be Brigit Thorsdottir, While his son Gunnar would be Gunnar Thorson
Still done today in Iceland. Much to the detriment of their phone books.
Not really, it's only 1.5 pages long.
Actually, "masculine and feminine", not "male or female". There's a subtle difference. One can be a masculine female, or an effeminate male, or a masculine sexless creature (hypothetically, something like Piccolo's species from Dragon Ball - they're asexual but masculine.)
If you went through a dictionary and scored all the words on a "male"/"female" and then a "masculine"/"feminine" scale the difference would be like 5 words.
Would actually be an interesting experiment to see if Germans would still call girls "it" if they had a do-over (das Maedchen, Es heisst Lisa, etc).
seems i had one too many after-bbq schnaps.
what do you mean? 'das mädel' is correct, 'sie heißt lisa' would be correct.
not trying to be a cunt, i simply don't get the point you're trying to make.
I'm just basing it off "Das Mädchen ist klein. Es heißt Lisa ... would be grammatically correct and is still sometimes used".
So they have already changed "it" to "her" in some cases.
yeah now i understand what you're trying to get at.
silly though, i was forced to rewrite all my papers in university to be genderneutral 10 years ago.
there is no solution that doesn't envolve violence any longer.
Ancient Rome moment.
Sioux laughed at Dances with Wolves because all the indians are speaking the female version of the language.
How the hell is the language sexist? You know if I were to stretch really, really, really far I could see how something like Spanish with the whole masculine words could be considered sexist. But, English, really?
I hear Russian is a bad language because you know muh Ukraine.
In Latin, the nouns for certain professions are female. Poeta, nauta (poet, sailor), for instance.
That is just using the first declension. The nouns themselves remain male. If you want to use an adjective for them, you would use the male form (if the individual male).
Nope. Adjectives agree in case, number, and gender. Parva nauta (the small sailor), not parvus nauta; or bona agricula (the good farmer), for instance.
What you ought to have said is that people come in sexes of which there are exactly two, and gender is just language (and in Latin there are three). Romans werent trying to imply every farmer is a girl :)
Correct as to the first part. But since the gender of 'agricola' is male, it will be parvus agricola. Just checked Oxford's Latin Desk Dictionary for you, and the gender of 'nauta' is also male.
You are declension for the gender. Words of the first declension ending in -a are almost always female. These are some exceptions. Just like 'manus' is female and 'virus' is neuter.
Yup. Grammatical gender is something completely different from actual gender. That is why 'moon' is female in Romance languages but male in German (I believe).
Actually, none was. There are some words that may be female or male, like dies, but agricola is only male.
So ... dig out the Cassell's dictionary and would ya believe you have it -- AND the entry has a suitable masculine adjectival example. Somehow that got sideways in my memory and since all those were buried in boxes for a few decades, and hardly in daily use, I got it stuck in my head wrong.
Yeah, it's all very non-intuitive for those of us who are not used to (shriek) gendered languages.
If you want more horror-stories, you could check out the declension of words like 'turris'. Or even 'virus'.
The only instance of a profession being gendered is "woman" which is old english for "man who weaves".
Did you get this from the OED or from your ass? The Old English for 'woman' is wyf. "Woman" is not a word in Old English.
"Woman" is a corruption of "wyfman," which means "person who weaves, " so the last post is half-correct. "Wer" and "guma" were the most common words for "man" back then.
Hmm, maybe I was thinking of another language.
FYI the real manual has no such BS -- happened to have the box in easy reach (don't ask). "Alignment - describes your character's outlook toward the world, and his general ethical status. The possibilities are GOOD, NEUTRAL, or EVIL." ...
There's not a hint of a whisper of caring whether you conceive of your characters as male, female, or two-dimensional bags of hitpoints and statistics.
Never miss an opportunity to point out that males never got a pronoun of their own -- 'he' means anyone, but 'she' only means females -- and so the gender pronoun people are the real sexists.
I like the implication from how they presented this that women wouldn't help old ladies across the street, that's strictly a male thing even if its a "they" used.
As we know, women never do anything without knowing what's in it for them so the entire alignment system is superfluous.
If they didn’t want to assume the player was male they could have placed a “he/she” in there once at the beginning. It’s weird, awkward, and pedantic, but it is a solution that is commonly accepted to a problem only had by people with no real problems.
English is not a gendered language, so how are they coming to that conclusion, unless not calling your dishwasher inherently female is now sesxism.
Not a sexist language. And to think that the dictionary publisher takes that seriously
If you'd like, you can read about it here. The manual must be from a downloadable version - no one was doing this gender nonsense in 1981.
The neuter gender in English is "it", Einstein. Just refer to your hypothetical character as "it". You're not going to hurt its feelings.
I think it was a male retard. I don't think a female diversity hire would assume that the adventurer is male. Hell, I often see supposed men use a 'generic she', which is absolute cringe.
It’s best for our own sanity not to think about it too hard. I mean you wouldn’t ask the homeless guy screaming in the middle of the street to speak a bit clearer because you’re missing out on his speech.
I'll vote for "took a manual written years ago, couldn't be bothered to update the whole thing but wanted to virtue signal"