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London's mayor plans to charge those who have "all but the cleanest vehicles" a "small fee - probably about the same as a bus fare - to drive anywhere in London", possibly charge vehicles for "entering the capital" (archive.md)
posted 4 years ago by altmehere 4 years ago by altmehere +35 / -0
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– cccpneveragain 11 points 4 years ago +11 / -0

For some reason I though this was already a thing with the congestion charge.

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– IJWTPFVG 9 points 4 years ago +9 / -0

bbc license going tits up gotta find new grift

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– realerfunction 8 points 4 years ago +8 / -0

fuck off foreigner

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– Xzal 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

Part and parcel of the UK push toward electric vehicles.

Spotify has been running constant Ada for them for a year now saying "By 2033 all vehicles in the UK will be electric. Do your part to help EV take hold in the UK by petitioning for EV charge points across the country".

And if you can hear it for yourself, they really accentuate the WILL. Couple it with the hiking of costs on petrol, near illegalisation of diesel and massive tax cuts and benefits for buying an EV...

Problem is yet again as I've said before, all EVs do is move the pollution source from an engine to a power plant.

Power plants that still brown out at peak times. And they expect to add cars charging to that network?

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– Piroko 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

Private and rental vehicles shouldn't be allowed inside the Inner Ring Road at all. Lorries, taxis, and buses only.

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– ah_hell 11 points 4 years ago +11 / -0

Your communism is showing again.

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– Piroko 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

You ever been to London?

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– dagthegnome 10 points 4 years ago +10 / -0

You ever been out of it?

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– Piroko 9 points 4 years ago +9 / -0

I'm from Iowa.

I'm gonna describe for you the London Inner Ring.

The inner ring encloses an area stretching from Westminster to Barbican, Marylebone to Southwark. It's roughly 2 miles in diameter, and maybe 3 square miles in area.

Most of those streets were set down and plotted out before America existed. It has been congested with so much traffic, for so long, that they've been digging under it for a hundred and fifty years. There are over thirty subway stations inside the inner ring. At any point inside there, you are never more than about 900 feet (3 football fields) walking distance to a subway.

Most of the streets are narrow enough that you can EITHER have two lanes OR one lane and parking. Short of burning the whole area down and condemning the land it cannot be fixed.

The only solution is to say "no fucking cars, period", which is what they'll eventually have to do.

Saying "no fucking GAS cars" is just staving off the inevitable for another couple years.

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– Assassin47 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

Saying "no fucking GAS cars" is just staving off the inevitable for another couple years.

It's virtue signaling. Notice that this is what politicians always do. They either do nothing to solve a problem, making meaningless statements and gestures, or they take some extreme or off-base action that pleases one part of the electorate but completely misses the mark or is a temporary fix at best.

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– Piroko 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

Mmmmm in London I still believe it's ultimately about wealth.

Linking it to eco cars WILL NOT meaningfully reduce traffic in the CCZ, it'll just increase eco car ownership in the CCZ.

Sooner or later, someone at TfL and the GLA will have to bite it and say "no private cars, period", and the rich will get them fired. Saying just eco cars is just staving it off a few more years.

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– dagthegnome 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

The solution you're proposing would just take all of the congestion in inner London and move it, spreading it around an area with a much larger population. Banning things doesn't solve problems: it just makes those things into someone else's problem.

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– Piroko 6 points 4 years ago +6 / -0

The suggestion I'm proposing was seriously floated back when the Congestion Charge Zone was initially proposed twenty years ago.

The fact that the CCZ failed to achieve adequate reductions in traffic vindicate the arguments for more absolute measures.

Linking it to environmentalism is just a carve out to placate the rich so THEY can drive in the inner ring, when it would be fairer and more effective to go for a total private vehicle ban in the inner ring.

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– ah_hell 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

So you are from Iowa yet you are the "leading expert" in all things London? Right.

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– deleted 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0
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– blackestknight 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

Suck his dick while you're at it.

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– cccpneveragain 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

While I haven't done London, I've made the mistake of driving into a couple similar-enough areas. From that experience, I can't understand why anyone would even want to drive there. It's more of a pain in the ass than it's worth.

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– Piroko 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

I visited Boston DURING the big dig. That was a shitstorm.

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– Cup-a-Fart 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

Making driving in central London a bigger pain in the ass than it already is. Good job, asshole.

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– Tourgen 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

I think this makes sense. Above a population density threshold, private vehicles make no sense. Get out if you don't like it. Leave the hive to the bugs.

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– deleted 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0
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– Piroko 8 points 4 years ago +8 / -0

They do. They're contriving a reason to make it even harsher because it didn't do enough.

In the end, they just need to ban all private cars in the inner ring. It's just not built for them.

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– GeneralBoobs 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

What you have here is known as a Foothold Situation. London is now a former territory controlled by foreign invaders. A military response is usually apt.

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– Assassin47 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Tbf I've heard many times that traffic going into London is a nightmare, so they have to do something. But I've never been there.

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