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NihilistCaregiver 26 points ago +26 / -0

It's too bad the GOP side of US politics (its voting base included) is incapable of actual civil disobedience, which is the best and most effective way to nullify a government that goes against the population.

Instead it seems to hinge on this vague threat of a hot civil war that none of us should want to kick off, but we all collectively believe that would be the best thing in the end.

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Filo76 11 points ago +11 / -0

People on the right are more responsible and have to provide for their families. If the mandate is confirmed, then a lot of people will be forced out of work. If they can’t work and feed their families they will definitely turn their on eye on the government.

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NihilistCaregiver 6 points ago +6 / -0

People on the right are more responsible and have to provide for their families.

This is the excuse that has been given for literally DECADES and it has just caused the GOP to become the party of "progressives going the speed limit".

It seems like a defect of the GOP voter base if they are incapable of understanding short term risk for long term gain.

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Filo76 2 points ago +2 / -0

I don’t necessarily disagree with you. But it’s not an excuse. The reason conservatives are who they are is because value of family is the top priority. Look after family first. Sure, the country and world is falling apart but you have to see to your loved ones first.

Strip that away and stop people from taking care of family and you will unleash hellfire.

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NihilistCaregiver 2 points ago +2 / -0

If the growth of the fed gov and the globalist system was not inevitable, then yes I see the case for family first.

But at what point do we admit that the Repubs/GOP are just whiners who never figured out how to play the new game? Everything they stand for works great when there is no centralized anything and we're all just small independent towns in some post-apocalyptic world.

This is a convenient time for me to blame the boomers, but I'm seeing that the Gen Z conservatives are not any more capable of fighting for their values in a world that has been built around their impulsiveness. They just repeat the same "rock flag and eagle" type slogans as their grandparents but just have less of a filter on how they say it.

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Filo76 1 point ago +1 / -0

I definitely see your point. The left can circle the wagons better than anyone. The right will endlessly bicker among themselves over trivial issues. It’s hard to get them to join together when everyone is so independent minded.

That’s why Trump was and is so effective. He was able to get all these independent minded people together for a greater cause.

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blackpink 6 points ago +7 / -1

It's too bad the GOP side of US politics (its voting base included) is incapable of actual civil disobedience

they are capable. it's called "controlled opposition:

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Bahariye 2 points ago +2 / -0

Oy vey that's very antisemitic against our lord and savior Ben shekelpiro

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Tourgen 4 points ago +5 / -1

The majority are onboard with vaxx, so no, not "going against the population". More accurately "the mob". The mob agrees and promotes the progressive State.

Why would you expect Republicans to disobey? The fundamentally are the same people as the Democrats. They have the same values and they have the same agenda. They answer to the same people.

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MargarineMongoose 1 point ago +1 / -0

Which is why I want to see the Republican party burned to the ground and replaced with something that represents genuine opposition to the hellscape we now inhabit.

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LauriThorne 3 points ago +3 / -0

I keep seeing this sentiment and think it's more than a little doomer.

You know why Republicans, by and large, don't do civil disobedience with this shit? Because our governors aren't making these decrees. What's there to disobey in Florida?

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NihilistCaregiver 3 points ago +3 / -0

Good excuse but incorrect. The Repub/GOP voter base has 2 modes: Spineless or Suicidal. There is no inbetween. It's either Mitch McConnell style "oh how dare you impose on me..it's time to write a strongly worded letter and claim that natural rights, God, Eagles, yada yada woulid be soOooO disappointed" or Waco.

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LauriThorne 2 points ago +3 / -1

Or the Virginia and Michigan 2A rallies.

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Piroko 9 points ago +9 / -0

The CMS mandate was always on firmer ground, both legally and ethically.

The OSHA mandate is almost certainly doomed.

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onetruephilosoraptor [S] 9 points ago +9 / -0

I hope you will be proven correct about the OSHA mandate tomorrow morning.

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Bahariye 1 point ago +1 / -0

The cms mandate can suck my balls.

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pertivi 7 points ago +7 / -0

Everyone and everything is part of the "system".

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blackpink 3 points ago +3 / -0

sorry, can someone here pleas tell me the difference between the osha and the cms mandate? I thought there was only one mandate.

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Grumman 7 points ago +7 / -0

The CMS mandate threatens to withhold federal funding from health care facilities that don't force their employees to get vaccinated. The OHSA mandate forces private employers to force their employees to get vaccinated even if they don't take taxpayer dollars.

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Piroko 3 points ago +3 / -0

And thus one affects "basically all medical employees", where the other affects "basically everyone".

It's a harder sell to say the government can't and shouldn't coerce medical workers to get vaccinated.

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LauriThorne 2 points ago +2 / -0

Especially since it really only effects people they're paying in some form.

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8BitArchitect 2 points ago +2 / -0

You could argue (and indeed, at least one lawyer and one justice did) argue that there is only one mandate, which the White House is obfuscating by pushing it through different three-letter orgs with slightly different requirements in order to get around the fact that they don't actually have the authority to mandate that everyone in the country get the jab.

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ghostfox1_ 2 points ago +2 / -0

My guess, Roberts has the majority opinion and is waiting to release it giving the butthurt leftists too much time to drag it out because he cares more about the "legacy" than doing his job.

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Unknownsailor 2 points ago +2 / -0

For those who haven't been following the news, the USSC did indeed let the injunction stand against the OSHA mandate, stating that the mandate was beyond the authority of OSHA, and did not enjoin the CMS mandate, stating that enduring patient safety was within the authority of the CMS.

Now is the time where you need to lessen your need for medical care, because if you need it, it might not be there in the very near future because of staffing.

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MegoThor 1 point ago +1 / -0

Let the illegitimate federal government pass whatever “laws” they want. The more people they wake up, the faster this comes to a head.

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Bahariye 1 point ago +1 / -0

I don't care if they rule against freedom. Scotus doesn't give me my rights. They are innate. My body is my own and I won't cave. Suck my balls and lick my ass mandate pushers.