Not true, the mutual excommunications of 1054 did not result in war, and even during the Fourth Crusade Innocent III expressly forbade the use of the religious differences between Rome and Constantinople as a reason to attack the city (which the Venetians withheld from the Crusaders).
I wasn't thinking about religious differences as much as the physical assault against a church leader which is itself an act of war. Though in this case it looks like local security, so there may have been a peasant revolt against the local lord for treachery. I mean you had hundreds of battles over much sillier things. (popes engaging in territorial conquest, land squabbles between barons, drunken celebration marches turning into battles, and the "War of the Oaken Bucket" which probably wasn't really over a bucket but was still pointless tit-for-tat for no good reason) If you're requiring the Church to define "just cause" then yes that would depend on what the Orthodox church officials said.
Remember when that Muslim cut off that priest's head in France? Shit happened right in church. That was the moment I realized the West was lost. No one did anything in retaliation. If roles had been reversed, there would have been blood in the streets for days.
Anyone else know their christian history? This man represents one of the true branches of christianity. Even catholicism is just diet coke in comparison.
I also understand why the Reformation happened (I personally think it needed to happen), in some ways I wish Luther had joined with the East. But I also trust God did all of this for a purpose, maybe to have the West work on WORD, while the East was strong on IMAGE. I have a vision of both joining together in one bridal dress in the end.
So I'm basically half Confessional Lutheran, half EO (there is no EO church near me so I haven't been able to visit one yet). But I love reading the early church fathers now, and people like Gregory of Nyssa and Maximus the Confessor bring an entire world of symbology to life. Chrysostom is awesome also (and based, warned about the jews).
I want to be a peacemaker, and help unite true believers in Rome, the East, and among Protestants. I see true believers in all three, I also see problems in all three because there are sinful humans in all three, along with enemy infiltrations.
Pageau, Fr. Damick, and those other guys are great. I'm "Orthodox curious" but yeah like you I'm precluded from actually digging more into it because the closest Orthodox church of any type is hours out. There just aren't many of those in the Bible Belt lol
I grew up Southern Baptist and still practice, but the focus on an almost superficial level of "fEeLiNg" along with the sense that the only theologians that matter are essentially C.S. Lewis or Billy Graham (everyone earlier being basically Papist garbage or completely forgotten) really left me lacking. Heck, I'm doubtful if the average Southern Baptist congregant can even tell you who Martin Luther was. Honestly, the focus on feeling was one of the reasons why I left the faith and it took people like Peterson and Pageau to re-enchant Christianity for me.
But then again, maybe that's less a function of the Baptists and more just being a "sophisticated" Christian.
Did they throw the old man to the ground to try and shut him up?
In the middle ages that would be just cause for war.
It's still a just cause for war, but we do not live in a just world.
Not true, the mutual excommunications of 1054 did not result in war, and even during the Fourth Crusade Innocent III expressly forbade the use of the religious differences between Rome and Constantinople as a reason to attack the city (which the Venetians withheld from the Crusaders).
I wasn't thinking about religious differences as much as the physical assault against a church leader which is itself an act of war. Though in this case it looks like local security, so there may have been a peasant revolt against the local lord for treachery. I mean you had hundreds of battles over much sillier things. (popes engaging in territorial conquest, land squabbles between barons, drunken celebration marches turning into battles, and the "War of the Oaken Bucket" which probably wasn't really over a bucket but was still pointless tit-for-tat for no good reason) If you're requiring the Church to define "just cause" then yes that would depend on what the Orthodox church officials said.
War of Jenkins' Ear was the absolute best.
Remember when that Muslim cut off that priest's head in France? Shit happened right in church. That was the moment I realized the West was lost. No one did anything in retaliation. If roles had been reversed, there would have been blood in the streets for days.
It's what jackboots do.
He's more Catholic than Francis, that's for sure.
About time someone had the balls to state the obvious to that usurper.
Richard Dawkins is more of a Catholic than Francis.
He should be named the new Pope.
Pope Chad the First.
Anyone else know their christian history? This man represents one of the true branches of christianity. Even catholicism is just diet coke in comparison.
I've really gotten into Jonathan Pageau lately, the symbolic world of the ancient Chrisitan church has opened up to me in the past year. I want to read this next by Fr. Damick, "Arise O God: The Gospel of Christ’s Defeat of Demons, Sin, and Death." He also has a good podcast on metaphysics and symbology called "The Lord of Spirits"
I also understand why the Reformation happened (I personally think it needed to happen), in some ways I wish Luther had joined with the East. But I also trust God did all of this for a purpose, maybe to have the West work on WORD, while the East was strong on IMAGE. I have a vision of both joining together in one bridal dress in the end.
So I'm basically half Confessional Lutheran, half EO (there is no EO church near me so I haven't been able to visit one yet). But I love reading the early church fathers now, and people like Gregory of Nyssa and Maximus the Confessor bring an entire world of symbology to life. Chrysostom is awesome also (and based, warned about the jews).
I want to be a peacemaker, and help unite true believers in Rome, the East, and among Protestants. I see true believers in all three, I also see problems in all three because there are sinful humans in all three, along with enemy infiltrations.
Pageau, Fr. Damick, and those other guys are great. I'm "Orthodox curious" but yeah like you I'm precluded from actually digging more into it because the closest Orthodox church of any type is hours out. There just aren't many of those in the Bible Belt lol
I grew up Southern Baptist and still practice, but the focus on an almost superficial level of "fEeLiNg" along with the sense that the only theologians that matter are essentially C.S. Lewis or Billy Graham (everyone earlier being basically Papist garbage or completely forgotten) really left me lacking. Heck, I'm doubtful if the average Southern Baptist congregant can even tell you who Martin Luther was. Honestly, the focus on feeling was one of the reasons why I left the faith and it took people like Peterson and Pageau to re-enchant Christianity for me.
But then again, maybe that's less a function of the Baptists and more just being a "sophisticated" Christian.
Billy Graham is a charlatan.
Also, Padre Trenham at Patristic Nectar.
Francis is an anti-pope. Illegitimate. We get about 3 every 100 years.
Correct.
Hard to argue otherwise, isn't it?