Not for these white apes! They should just go back to where they came from, where they can have their property and rights systematically stripped away and be murdered by the indigenous people whose lands they stole. It's only fair, right?
All I'm going to say is that South Africa's problems went exponential and haven't stopped since they started robbing, killing, and driving off their white farmers.
European history would beg to differ, what with all the conquering and wars and such...
Haven't you worked that out yet?
No, but I'm sure you'll assail me with all the reasons why I should embrace you're brand of cultural enrichment and replacement, and how it's oh-so different from the the "progressive" brand...
Heck maybe you should try running me down some more for wanting to put my nation and it's people first. That works like gangbusters when the left does it. /s
I'l give you credit, though, at least you're honest about your racism.
but would you do the same for Angela Merkel? Emmanuel Macron? Jeremy Corbyn? Justin Trudeau? They're the same race of as you after all, but they'd sell you to muslim slavers for a cup of coffee and a ham sandwitch.
Hell, Trudeau would probably do it while wearing a burka.
My point is that race doesn't guarantee loyalty or shared values. your black neighbor has a 50/50 shot at being more based than merkel and macron combined, simply because he grew up in a more conservative culture and political climate than they did.
It's like when blace racial "activists" use race to get into power, then move into a white neighborhood with all the money they got from their campaign.
u/ourcountryoftheseus was making the point that only race matters. I'm just making the argument that other factors(cultural values, ideological perspective, etc.) play a role, in my opinion a larger role, than race. I have more in common with a black farmer from Mississippi than I do a white Swede from Stockholm.
my concern is that the american culture is getting too dilute as it is. Too many people, admittedly good people, are coming here with different cultural values and ideals for them to fully assimilate with any speed. This is leading to ghettos and balkanizing when we desperately need to unify around core beliefs and values.
I'm reminded of a dream sequence from Batman: The Animated Series(1992-1995). In the episode "The Forgotten," Bruce Wayne Dreams he is standing outside of a homeless shelter, and a homeless man comes up to him, begging for money, so Bruce takes out some money and gives it to the man, then more homeless people arrive, hands out, and the rich man begins giving them money as fast as he can. soon he is surrounded by poor, hungry people, more appearing faster than he can help them. In the end, Bruce Wayne weeps, because he cannot help them all. This is the best metaphor I can think of for the situation we're in. We can't save everyone, no matter how much we want to.
That being said, these people did come here legally, so I'm not advocating for throwing them out, but I am saying we shouldn't be paying them more than we pay American workers, nor should they be replacing American workers.
my concern is that the american culture is getting too dilute as it is. Too many people, admittedly good people, are coming here with different cultural values and ideals for them to fully assimilate with any speed. This is leading to ghettos and balkanizing when we desperately need to unify around core beliefs and values.
Is that true for South Africans? Serious question, I don't know much about their culture or beliefs.
I'm reminded of a dream sequence from Batman: The Animated Series(1992-1995). In the episode "The Forgotten," Bruce Wayne Dreams he is standing outside of a homeless shelter, and a homeless man comes up to him, begging for money, so Bruce takes out some money and gives it to the man, then more homeless people arrive, hands out, and the rich man begins giving them money as fast as he can. soon he is surrounded by poor, hungry people, more appearing faster than he can help them. In the end, Bruce Wayne weeps, because he cannot help them all. This is the best metaphor I can think of for the situation we're in. We can't save everyone, no matter how much we want to.
Sure but if they are coming as harvesters or farmers, they will end up paying their own way and maybe creating jobs. Doesn't mean we can save everyone or should have the desire to, but this may not hurt as much as you might think.
That being said, these people did come here legally, so I'm not advocating for throwing them out, but I am saying we shouldn't be paying them more than we pay American workers, nor should they be replacing American workers.
Do we know the entire story though? For example, are the people currently working the fields doing a good job or a poor one? I mean just consider the idea of importing foreign workers and paying them more than the ones you already have. How does that make any business sense?
The South Africans arrived in the region willing to work weeks that sometimes stretched to 75 hours or more, grueling schedules that might have been difficult for older local workers to maintain, industry analysts said.
Oh, that's interesting. Maybe they made them work harder than the regular workers. Also the regular works seem to be older, and perhaps not able to do the job a younger worker would do.
They must pay them an hourly wage that is set by the Labor Department and varies from state to state, as well as their transportation and housing.
That is the interesting quote from the article. It seems like they may not have had a choice in this case. Who knows? The article focused more on race than anything else, so it was light on details.
You bring up some good points, but I will say the labor department shouldn't be incentivising paying foreign workers more than Americans.
It does seem as though there may be some British influence on the country, which is promising, given our own legal and cultural system is based in English Common Law, but I'm not sure how much their values reflect that influence. I suppose I'd have to do a lot more research to be sure, but your point in this regard stands.
Remember they turned away Cuban refugees too. They dont support the left so they are not allowed in. Then they have the nerve to say "replacement migration" isnt real.
Oh now they care about immigration
Still boggles my mind that the NYT was once seen as a credible newspaper
obama did worse and the media didn't care
And about blacks working in the cotton fields.
their replacements were paid more? something tells me there is more to this story...
They know what the hell they're doing and actually do their jobs instead of putting all their effort into finding ways not to work.
But I thought they loved immigration. Shouldn’t there be sympathy for what they are fleeing
Its never been about immigration. Its been about white replacement
Not for these white apes! They should just go back to where they came from, where they can have their property and rights systematically stripped away and be murdered by the indigenous people whose lands they stole. It's only fair, right?
Send the blacks back then
What are you talking about? Everyone knows slavery is working for the NFL duh!
All I'm going to say is that South Africa's problems went exponential and haven't stopped since they started robbing, killing, and driving off their white farmers.
at least they're not apartheid right?
Cool, we should give them fast-track green cards. Right Dems?
More whites please
trade SA 10 blacks for every white.
win-win for everyone!
omg, the comments section is a fucking goldmine...
But seriously, I don't like American workers being replaced with white south africans anymore than I like them being replaced with white hispanics.
Fuck niggers mr civic nationalist. Only race matters. Haven't you worked that out yet?
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European history would beg to differ, what with all the conquering and wars and such...
No, but I'm sure you'll assail me with all the reasons why I should embrace you're brand of cultural enrichment and replacement, and how it's oh-so different from the the "progressive" brand...
Heck maybe you should try running me down some more for wanting to put my nation and it's people first. That works like gangbusters when the left does it. /s
I'l give you credit, though, at least you're honest about your racism.
but would you do the same for Angela Merkel? Emmanuel Macron? Jeremy Corbyn? Justin Trudeau? They're the same race of as you after all, but they'd sell you to muslim slavers for a cup of coffee and a ham sandwitch.
Hell, Trudeau would probably do it while wearing a burka.
My point is that race doesn't guarantee loyalty or shared values. your black neighbor has a 50/50 shot at being more based than merkel and macron combined, simply because he grew up in a more conservative culture and political climate than they did.
It's like when blace racial "activists" use race to get into power, then move into a white neighborhood with all the money they got from their campaign.
u/ourcountryoftheseus was making the point that only race matters. I'm just making the argument that other factors(cultural values, ideological perspective, etc.) play a role, in my opinion a larger role, than race. I have more in common with a black farmer from Mississippi than I do a white Swede from Stockholm.
really? I hadn't heard that one. I thought he was the son of a famous former PM.
I’d agree normally, but these guys are being genocided, and they are European so assimilation or welfare won’t be a problem.
my concern is that the american culture is getting too dilute as it is. Too many people, admittedly good people, are coming here with different cultural values and ideals for them to fully assimilate with any speed. This is leading to ghettos and balkanizing when we desperately need to unify around core beliefs and values.
I'm reminded of a dream sequence from Batman: The Animated Series(1992-1995). In the episode "The Forgotten," Bruce Wayne Dreams he is standing outside of a homeless shelter, and a homeless man comes up to him, begging for money, so Bruce takes out some money and gives it to the man, then more homeless people arrive, hands out, and the rich man begins giving them money as fast as he can. soon he is surrounded by poor, hungry people, more appearing faster than he can help them. In the end, Bruce Wayne weeps, because he cannot help them all. This is the best metaphor I can think of for the situation we're in. We can't save everyone, no matter how much we want to.
That being said, these people did come here legally, so I'm not advocating for throwing them out, but I am saying we shouldn't be paying them more than we pay American workers, nor should they be replacing American workers.
Is that true for South Africans? Serious question, I don't know much about their culture or beliefs.
Sure but if they are coming as harvesters or farmers, they will end up paying their own way and maybe creating jobs. Doesn't mean we can save everyone or should have the desire to, but this may not hurt as much as you might think.
Do we know the entire story though? For example, are the people currently working the fields doing a good job or a poor one? I mean just consider the idea of importing foreign workers and paying them more than the ones you already have. How does that make any business sense?
Oh, that's interesting. Maybe they made them work harder than the regular workers. Also the regular works seem to be older, and perhaps not able to do the job a younger worker would do.
That is the interesting quote from the article. It seems like they may not have had a choice in this case. Who knows? The article focused more on race than anything else, so it was light on details.
You bring up some good points, but I will say the labor department shouldn't be incentivising paying foreign workers more than Americans.
It does seem as though there may be some British influence on the country, which is promising, given our own legal and cultural system is based in English Common Law, but I'm not sure how much their values reflect that influence. I suppose I'd have to do a lot more research to be sure, but your point in this regard stands.
Remember they turned away Cuban refugees too. They dont support the left so they are not allowed in. Then they have the nerve to say "replacement migration" isnt real.
Scum, all of them.
Blacks are complaining about not being able to work the cotton fields?