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Happily_Grim 29 points ago +29 / -0

Yeah, it's the un-vaxxed who are causing you to fire huge amounts of staff for not getting injected with an experimental biological agent. That makes sense.
It's not at all propaganda to fuel a narrative so that when things get bad you can crack down harder than ever before and use actual force to make people comply — with full public sympathy from the retarded mindless consumers.
Sometimes I wonder about what's taking place and try to piece things together. Why they're so insistent that everyone gets the jab.
I feel like it has nothing to do with Covid.
Covid is not going away; it's far too easy to exploit to push their agendas and maintain perpetual power.
I wonder if it's not only because of the money and power, but because we're what can be shown as the "control group." In the future, when potential long term consequences begin to surface — which I do believe they will — the more people who didn't participate, the easier it will be to demonstrate that the vaccine was what was responsible.
If everyone is vaccinated then that goes right the hell out the window and they can blame anything — such as, maybe, pollution? Contaminated water? Or something stupid like that. It can be almost anything, honestly. Likewise, if that group is reduced too small, it will become increasingly difficult for anyone to prove the vaccine caused harm to people.
How do people think that'll look?
Of course, it could just be sheer incompetence; however, I don't think they'd be this insistent that everyone gets it. Especially when they know unequivocally that it doesn't stop the spread or prevent infection at all to begin with. The levels of authoritarianism we're seeing can't possibly be risked for simple incompetence. This is history making shit that violates the entire concept of a free society in the western world.
Maybe I'm just trying to make sense of the madness.

Grumman 24 points ago +24 / -0

Why they're so insistent that everyone gets the jab. I feel like it has nothing to do with Covid.

I don't think it's about the vaccine either - I think it's about the digital passport. It's about being asked every time you go anywhere whether you're allowed to be there, and the power to declare somebody a leper who should be cast out of society just by lying and saying they aren't vaccinated.

tchouk 11 points ago +11 / -0

The problem is that this doesn't work on a worldwide scale.

India is not getting vaxxed anywhere close to 50%

Russia is not really getting vaxxed and they have like 3-4 of their own vaccines with 0 mRNA experimentation.

China has it's own vaccines and they're maybe 10% vaxxed.

Even Brazil is like 30% vaxxed along with most of South America and that's never going to change to 90%.

So not only do you have a huge control groups, you have the countries most outside the influence of the US hegemony who just aren't participating. Any long-term effects of the vaccinations will just be a competitive advantage to the people who you least want to give it to.

Happily_Grim 9 points ago +9 / -0

Foreign people don't matter whatsoever in this context. They could always attribute it to something localized to the environment. What you're saying certainly makes sense if we were living in a logical world; however, they're only a control from a practical point of view, not from a narrative one.
For instance, they don't share our food, our water, our environments, or participate in our culture — things such as that. Americans as a whole also have a very difficult time grasping that there's a world outside of our country. I think that what's happening in Australia right now would be a great example of that. Some people are just now learning of the struggles that people in Victoria have been facing, which has been an ongoing issue when compared to the rest of the world for almost a year now. Another good example would be Sweden, who has gone through Covid with an exceptionally low amount of restrictions or mandates and who is doing better than almost any other Western country. Finally, there's Israel, who is now going onto their fourth shot and is also one of the most highly vaccinated countries, yet they're also one of the most infected places in the world. Americans, as a whole, are almost completely oblivious to all of it — to an almost frightening level.
Back to the point, if for any reason a couple years from now we began to see the long-term harm of the Covid vaccinations, it wouldn't be difficult at all for the Government to attribute it to something else if nearly everyone was vaccinated. While most people would still likely suspect, there would be no way to properly check within our own country to verify it. If we had to seek out people from outside the country, that's automatically a variable that could be used to discredit any findings they uncovered. That said, if there was a large group that existed of unvaccinated people, all of whom shared that food, water, living space, etc., then it would quickly become apparent what the root cause was.

To clarify a bit more, I'm through with assuming that they won't lie or use any means necessary to cover-up their nonsense. In an ideal world, what you're suggesting would make complete sense. It's what a normal, scientifically-minded, person would rightfully assume. But we're not living in that world anymore. These are the same people who explicitly told us that violent riots were peaceful; who endorsed political violence; who had no problem with massive never-before-seen late night ballot dumps; etc. etc. — I'm sure you know it all.
To be blunt, I find it nearly impossible, knowing the history of coronavirus vaccines and vaccines in general, that there won't be long-term effects, especially in a vaccine that had almost no testing compared to even those ones. So I'm trying to figure out precisely why they'd be pushing this adamantly for everyone to get it. I guess that simple greed could be an answer but watching how the rest of the world is acting simultaneously it just doesn't sit right with me. Something really feels off about everything.

tchouk 9 points ago +9 / -0

I get what you're saying, but the truth is that there might not be a rational reason to find.

Our elite political ruling class is degenerate, psychopathic and completely incompetent in all things save for two things: selling themselves to the highest bidder, something they do extremely well, and pandering to the public.

We could simply be witnessing a resonance fuckup cascade. You have a real emergency, and a degenerate system that is completely unequipped and unable to deal with it. Literally in some cases, like we don't have enough hospital beds because keeping extra for emergencies isn't profitable.

And the nominal leaders of this system all have 3 competing concerns: pass the buck to someone else, pleasure their sponsors and look good for the public while doing it.

The vaccines do a beautiful job at all 3:

  1. "I'm just following the guidelines from The Science. It's not my fault if something goes wrong, I cannot be expected to know about The Science myself. Anyway, it was all Trump's fault, he fast-tracked the thing. And also the, uh, antivaxxers"
  2. COVID-19 has seen the largest transfer of wealth towards the ultra-rich in history without any real notice or protest from the public. Vaccines are a large part of this pie.
  3. "See how much effort I, your favorite politician, am spending to make sure we go back to normal? I really care about your grandma not dying or something".

And this works on all levels of the system in positive feedback loops.

  • There is a big subset of the elite who are just straight up psychos and who want to see people being subjugated, to suffer and to die horribly who are completely covered by this behavior as long as they play dumb.

In short, the vax is the symptom of the existential crisis of our civilization

icockmyglock 1 point ago +1 / -0

It doesn't matter. Is the richest countries implement the passport the rest will follow or they will become isolated, cut off from trade partners because they won't be allowed to conduct their business.

bobobob 4 points ago +4 / -0

They could be testing the waters. How far can they push people into compliance and how willing are they to comply?

tchouk 17 points ago +17 / -0

The thing no one is talking about:

The entire reason for the collapses of various health-care systems in the first place is not because the virus is particularly worse compared to previous bad viruses.

The reason is that our health-care systems spent the last 30 years being "optimized" to make sure the extra bed capacity is as close to 0 as possible.

Italy didn't get fucked in early 2020 because of Covid. They got fucked because they had 3 times less hospital beds per capita then in 1970.

Those beds weren't there because people in the 60s were stupid. They were there because people were prepared for emergencies. Which you have to be if you don't want to get fucked when the emergency happens.

The thing that blows my mind is how all of this did not become a motivation to rethink the decision of maximizing hospital profits. Instead of returning to a rational emergency preparedness, we decided to go with voodoo bullshit lockdowns and masks, which don't do anything in except make hamsters NPCs feel safer.

Benevolentdictator 2 points ago +2 / -0

The other thing is that hospital bed usage and occupancy is apples and oranges comparing the 1970s to the 2020s.

They had 3 times as many hospital beds and their patient census was mostly relatively short-term admissions like surgeries, broken bones, heart attacks, births, etc. IE Relatively straightforward problems with clear fixes.

Now we have a third of the bed capacity, but what capacity we do have is constantly and indefinitely blocked by the elderly, the demented, the obese, the poor, the homeless, criminals, addicts and social admits with no place to go.

icockmyglock 2 points ago +2 / -0

Italy didn't get fucked in early 2020 because of Covid. They got fucked because they had 3 times less hospital beds per capita then in 1970.

If you look at the numbers of beds, most of the world followed the same formula, reduction of beds. The US, Russia, UK (that I've looked at) all reduced their number of beds during this same time. Covid may be stressing the current system, but the stress is there because of 3 - 4 decades of consistent reduction in the number of beds.

tchouk 1 point ago +1 / -0

I mean, the system is explicitly created to have 0 overhead and be completely vulnerable to the slightest amount of stress.

AlfredicEnglishRules 14 points ago +14 / -0

It can't reach capacity with that many beds.

Daucus9 8 points ago +8 / -0

So I'm not familiar with what's going on with Alberta but are we sure this doesn't have anything to do with medical staff quitting/retiring? Because there isn't any point in having an ICU if it can't be sufficiently staffed.

YesMovement [S] 12 points ago +12 / -0

It could be- AHS requires all workers to be fully immunized by Oct. 31. But they were shutting down ICU beds before the vax even came in.

Daucus9 7 points ago +7 / -0

This is true, but there's also been generally staff quitting even before the vax mandates. It would be interesting to see what Alberta has been trying to run with for the past year.

Benevolentdictator 2 points ago +2 / -0

IIRC, the provincial government also tried to cut nurses pay by 3-5% across the board earlier in the year, though I don't know if it ever came into effect.

Baron_Bubbles 7 points ago +7 / -0

They're pulling a medical Jussie Smollett!

yamez 6 points ago +6 / -0

Jason Kenney is a slug, profoundly dishonest and incomprehensibly stupid. I am appalled, as an Albertan, so see the provincial reigns in the hands of such an ignoramous.

drfauci69 2 points ago +2 / -0

He's also being extorted by Notley and the NDP. I have no doubt that Kenny wants to get back to normal but I'm assuming Notley has threatened to do whatever she can to destroy Alberta if he does.

Lurker404 6 points ago +6 / -0

Same shit in Germany: hospitals only get government assistance if they have over 75% occupancy, so hospitals got rid of beds to get over 75%. Then the government reduced the number of beds a nurse can service (because muh overworked tic tok nurses), so hospitals shut down even more ICU beds.

Politicians are evil. They do ANYTHING for power.

borga 5 points ago +5 / -0

AHS management is from the NDP era, all of them, with a couple of changes on the board. You can make your own conclusions.

blyat56 3 points ago +3 / -0

Our big statewide hospital network spent tens of millions of dollars to build a super luxurious new hospital in my town and closed the old one.

New hospital has fewer beds and no specialty services.

It's not the "un-vaxxed's" fault that hospitals are laying off staff and downsizing facilities.

RoscoePColtraine 3 points ago +4 / -1

US Nurse here. We have a lot of Canadian nurses coming here to work, many who actually commute back and forth every few weeks. The money is really good right now, and many come here while keeping their Canadian citizenship and free healthcare.

AboriginalIvory 1 point ago +1 / -0

Free Healthcare.. Would you like your TURD boiled or Fried?

Its not free, its expensive as shit we cannot afford it as a society. This is why our budgets are predominantly made up of health care spending. We have constant deficits.

Oh and the health care is trash. You will die waiting for a simple test.