Yeah, that's actually quite an interesting and enlightening take on it all (though I haven't read the full thing yet, just what you quoted). So thanks for that.
I don't know where exactly we are headed, but I don't like it. I don't like it at all.
Watch this space, those of you outside the Aus/NZ bubble. We're going down a very dark path, and I promise you, whether you think they are or not, YOUR government is watching what is going on down here, seeing how far it can be pushed without real resistance, and then planning how they can potentially implement it on their own citizens in the future. At least in the Anglosphere and around it. I guarantee you that much.
The US population isn't too far off from Australians these days. Outside of the "WAIT UNTIL THEY TRY TO VIOLATE MY RIGHTS!" rhetoric on social media, nobody will bother fighting against Tyranny. The US is too divided (thanks to decades of illegal immigration among other things) and corporations have too much economic and financial control over the lives of citizens.
I think this is a complacent attitude. I truly hope you are correct and everyone in your state would act when the time comes, but I have my doubts. I think the time to act has already arrived and many of us are standing idle, unsure of what to do.
Not true at all. My state for example has banned mandatory vaccinations and vaccine passports.
You say nobody is fighting, but based on what? That you don’t see any protests? That’s because the people in red states are already back to normal, and the people in blue states voluntarily wear the masks and would enjoy another round of lockdowns because they’re addicted to fear.
I’m generalizing of course, but people in the US don’t have to deal with this kind of coercion.
That’s the plan, but it will not happen here. We’re still too rebellious in America. I would say this was shocking, but I was already aware the culture is different in Aus/NZ. More compliant for some reason.
Do you know why? And are people in Aus generally religious, or not?
I hate to say it, but this is... Not as unusual in Aus as you might think.
We don't have the protections you guys have (presuming you're American). On anything. We don't even have a Bill of Rights. There is no requirement, in this country, that the Prime Minister consult Parliament before declaring war. Even in the US, that situation isn't possible.
So... I fear that this may have been inevitable. That we were always heading this way. Certainly, from where I sit, this has been the path we've been headed down since waaaaayyyy before the pandemic started. We've been going this way since... I'm gonna say at least 2013. This is just the inevitable point we have reached.
But culture plays a role, too. Imagine an almost completely unarmed populace, with a strong (for its size), highly technologically-advanced military, militarised police (yes, like in America), but also with the oddly collectivist, "do as you're told", dobber mentality and surveillance state of the UK (notably, their police do not carry guns. Ours do.), and then you might get a bit of an idea of how this has come to pass...
Something is rotten in the state of Ausmark. Something has been for quite some time.
Sorry, I didn't realise that this is a slang word, but in Australian (yes, I'm serious), to dob means to snitch, essentially.
So a "dobber" is a snitch, or like, a scab I guess. A rat. The kind of person who would report you to the literal Gestapo, and sell you out...
Theoretically, dobbers, or snitches, used to get stitches, here (as in we fucking hated them), but for some bizarre reason, in the last 20 years, that changed, and we have become a "nation of dobbers". Even the very worst of the mainstream media admits that one...
"Tall poppy syndrome" refers to the tall poppy being cut down, and is generally a negative way to refer to the Australian ideal of not taking yourself too seriously. It's a double edged sword but as an example. If anyone instead of making a resume like everyone else, made a website and used it so self promote. Using a bit of arrogance to elevate themselves, would attract some criticism. You would then say it's "tall poppy syndrome" from the normies.
A lot of it is just complaining but in Australia the normal human reaction to pull people back into the herd seems to be stronger then the average.
Ya poor Bernie sanders. Totally an enemy of globohomo.
Its not capitalism. It's authoritarianism. Massive government created and protected corporations staffed by the same bureaucrats that govern them shutting small business and the middle class down. Stop associating government tyranny with "capitalism"
Capitalism and the free market wouldn't tolerate these abject failures of corporations that are forever subsidized by taxes and given preferential treatment by the government
It's the first step in taking complete control. Testing to see how the sheep react to enforcement of their orders. They aren't going to deploy the entire ADF tomorrow, no, this is a dry run. They don't want to deploy the ADF, that costs money and makes things too obvious.
If the people don't react negatively, then anything the Liberals want, they will passively accept. Sure, some might bitch a bit, but that's it. Military intervention won't be necessary at all. You've already surrendered. This is how most of Europe lost WWII.
If you don't get out of the city now, there is no hope.
Funnily enough, I always thought it would be Melbourne or Canberra (or maybe Adelaide) that would fall first, and not SW Sydney of all places...
But I guess that's the point, isn't it? Crush the hardest pockets of resistance first, "make an example" of them, broadcast it to your willing simps elsewhere in the country, and they'll happily cheer you on and beg for more...
It's like how, in recent times, the Powers that Be, and indeed the media, have been pushing woke shit (drag queen story time, anti-"art" galleries that promote ugly shit all made by minorities) in notably conservative regional cities (Launceston, Mackay, Townsville, the Gold Coast, even fucking Broken Hill), to see how much they can break the spirit of the people there, and stamp out any pockets of "traditional" Aussie bloke culture...
And the fucking news media cheers it on, and says how "wonderful" it is to see our cities "revived and renewed"...
I don't like this path we're on, but I'm afraid I don't really see much of a positive "out" or "end of the tunnel", coming up anywhere soon... :-/
I honestly..I don't know how to help. For the longest time, I thought Australia had kicked off the cocksucking boot licking of the UK and Canada. Your beautiful home and its people were what Americans thought the rest of the world should be, more polite, less assholes (us) but self-assured and rugged enough to stand against even the worst shit. I think Canberra was infiltrated and taken over by the UK some time ago through influence schemes. They did the same to Canada and NZ.
In America, there's places like NYC and California in general, but for the most part, America fucking hates the government. We get angry over changes in our postal situation. The biggest pussies were getting guns and we are short on ammo because people hate the idea of anyone telling them what to do. The amount of sheer propaganda in the media and government with the help of their enforcers in big tech, and they still can't even convince over half their useful idiots to get their poison injection. Over 90% of our country voted for a troll over a career politician with high favorability ratings in 2016, it was even higher before the The Steal.
We've actually become way, way more authoritarian and collectivist than the UK... We've been that way for a while. So I know the pop culture suggests otherwise, as you say, as does... Our national "mythology", but all of that self-assured ruggedness died out a while ago, AT LEAST 2008, if not earlier...
But like, on the UK comparison, I'm talking orders of magnitude worse. We're even worse than Canada. We're worse than NZ. I know I keep repeating this, but there literally isn't another country in the entire "Western" sphere of influence behaving like our governments (state and federal, and indeed local) are towards our citizens right now...
We're also the most feminist Anglo country aside from NZ. Like, the feminism here is significantly advanced upon what you see anywhere in North America, or indeed in the UK. I'm not exaggerating. They even admit it themselves. I don't know how it happened, but it did. We don't so much as resemble England in that regard, as we do Sweden or Denmark...
I know I sound whiny. I don't mean to, but... It's almost like there's a weird psychosis over the Australian population right now...
People WANT this. People WANT more of it. And yes, they're brainwashed by the media. Yes, people, including me, are scared to speak out. But there's something more going on here than that, I feel...
Like, the state and territory governments doing this have all been returned with an increased majority, so far. Every single one of them. And it is so bad that the second-most authoritarian regime, in Western Australia, reduced the conservative opposition to something like two seats in Parliament, so WA is now almost as close as it is possible to get to a one-party state. That shouldn't happen in a democracy. It is literally never supposed to happen. Then again, nor is sending fucking troops onto the streets to lock people in their houses...
So I dunno, man. I think you're partly onto something, yes, that we took the worst of British traditions of suppressed liberty, and ran with them, surpassing them along the way, but I think, with some degree of "evidence", that it has more to do with our relationship with China and India than anything else...
We have the most Chinese and Indian/subcontinental immigrants of any major Anglosphere country. Our trade ties are far closer to China than they are to the US (surprising, I know), and China literally, not figuratively, owns a large proportion of our assets, physical and otherwise. So when people say "a Chinese takeover of Australia", or "Australia is becoming a province of China", while we were once being sarcastic, I'm not so sure we are, anymore...
That's one of the things about this that really worries me, honestly.
When we say brainwashed...the stupidest thing is I have friends who aren't dopes, yet they too are openly buying into this. They WANT this...for fuck sake, some of them are LEFTIES and they're actively supporting a PM they've openly hated on for the last few years. They're willingly going on along with all of this because they think it's gonna lead to things getting back to the way they were....how can they not see what's going on? Things aren't gonna be the same again. They're openly supporting big brother.
Like I have friends who are openly cheering the suspension of Sky News. I'm not really a big supporter of Sky News but I'm not gonna cheer their suspension because it's ultimately SILENCING a voice and if they can do it to them, what makes you think they won't do it to us the little people?
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON? I know, Clown World, but fuck me, it's frightening to me how many people who I knew were once anti government or at the very least distrustful of the government and in other cases downright hateful of the fact that's it a conservative party in power ARE FUCKING OPENLY CHEERING THIS ON!
What the fuck is going on?
I just want to slap these people and tell them to wake up. If you think life is going back to the way it was post-jab...well they're in for some fucking disappointment. Because this shit is gonna hang over us and change everything. Give the government a taste of control like they've never had before and they will never give it up...that's the frightening thing about all of this...that people in this country are willingly accepting it.
Midwits and the fairly intelligent are easy to brainwash. Stupid people can be manipulated, with emotion, but they are often stubbornly critical of people trying to manipulate them against their own interests. Smart people rationalize, and once they've consented to "believe" something they've been convinced is good, they refuse to admit they've just been programmed. They're too smart for that, and there's too much of a "house of cards" supporting that position.
We're also the most feminist Anglo country aside from NZ. Like, the feminism here is significantly advanced upon what you see anywhere in North America, or indeed in the UK. I'm not exaggerating. They even admit it themselves. I don't know how it happened, but it did. We don't so much as resemble England in that regard, as we do Sweden or Denmark...
That’s really interesting, I did not know that. I think this is the source of your problems. I recall during the 2016 election reading a story about a group of people from Aus supporting Bernie Sanders.
First thought as an American was, “Wtf are they doing interfering in our election”, second thought was “haha commie losers”, but the third one was “they all look rather… feminine”.
But I guess that's the point, isn't it? Crush the hardest pockets of resistance first, "make an example" of them
But even then its still not the right target, Queenslanders have forever been known as the polar opposite of Victorians with New South Welshmen being a happy middle conservative...
Yeah, I know, but... I guess NSW is a different kind of conservatism, at this point...
Sydney is much more "ethnic" than pretty much anywhere in Qld. Especially the Southwest, where these boots are being shoved on the ground. Owing to that... It was one of the very few areas that voted "No" in the gay marriage plebby...
But it's also the fact that NSW has had a "conservative" (YMMV) government for solidly a decade, while Qld has barely had more than a one-term "conservative" government in the last 25 years or so...
So your point stands, at least on a cultural level, but... Demographics change, and it's also important not to underestimate just how many wokies moved from Victoria and NSW up to SEQ, in the last couple of years, especially post-lockdowns...
Anyway, none of this matters, but... If I'm right, I can see why they've targetted where they have.
They know it'll have an impact. They know it's a powder keg. And they know it'll make for... An "interesting" test case as to which minorities follow orders best, and which stick up the metaphorical middle finger first to this flagrant disregard for human rights...
I would add my usual "lol", but honestly, there's nothing really to laugh at about this, anymore. This shit has gone much too far for that, now... :-/
It will be the same everywhere, and people will meekly accept their new life as slaves, everywhere. In the USA we have guns (not for long) but no one will do anything, ever, as long as the supermarket shelves are stocked. They'll talk shit and post memes, nothing else, ever. All will bow and become slaves. In their hearts it's what they want. They want to be taken care of, to live a safe life, to eat the soy and corn syrup.
Western governments know this. The people vote for this, over and over again. We are getting what we voted for. Everyone just thought they would get to enjoy the benifits of freedom while voting for welfare and slavery. Surprise motherfuckers.
FYI, Liberal with a capital L down here is the "conservative" party, in theory...
I know that's confusing, but it's important to remember for this story, and for everything we've been experiencing down here, over the last 15 months or so...
Also, if you get soft paywalled (you shouldn't, unless you've visited the Speccy in the last month), try opening it on a different device or in Incognito... Usually seems to work shrug.
I should add, aside from maybe Boris in the UK (or the "Conservatives" within any of the other constituent bits of the UK), or maybe some state governors in the US, or Canada, I think our federal and state "conservatives" are probably the most cuckservative governments I have ever seen, anywhere... Especially Morrison (Scotty from marketing). He is a completely useless "hollow man", with zero guiding convictions, be they conservatism or anything else, and his government is probably the least actually "conservative" government from that party I can ever remember seeing...
It doesn't actually govern. It just sits there, and attacks anyone who dares question it. Somehow that almost feels even worse than a competent authoritarian government, because when you combine authoritarianism with complete incompetence and utter lack of conviction, plus zero real leadership... That's when people get killed, by accident or otherwise. And it worries me that we may well be headed that way, at this rate...
FYI, Liberal with a capital L down here is the "conservative" party, in theory...
Theyre Conservatives in the sense that their just a bit Right of the Labour Party. Never forget that it was a "Conservative" Government that disarmed us, fuck you John Howard
I mean, even when Menzies founded it, it was more "economically" conservative/laissez-faire, than anything else... I don't think they've ever been overly socially conservative, Howard be damned...
If anything, as you say, they've always been sort of "middle of the road", centre right, even under Menzies and his direct successors...
Yeah, I don't want to get myself on a watchlist anymore than I already would be (not even joking...), but... Let's just say that, regardless of the shitty politics behind it, watching The Old Bailey scene, + end of V for Vendetta, right now, is even more satisfying than it ever was, lol...
Though as you say, I'm a fucking coward, too. Much as I appreciate a fight, when someone threatens me, I am fairly confident that given the situation we are both trying to avoid speaking of (lol), I'll just cower and go along with it, rather than risk seeing the people around me suffer anything too terrible...
I also don't particularly find the idea of prison or psychiatric confinement overly appealing, myself, so... Yeah, I'm with you.
Unfortunately, though, I think this opinion is the prevailing majority, in this country, which is how... They know they can get away with it. No one is going to stand up. Not me, not you, not... Honestly anyone much, except for those with nothing to lose, at this point. And that speaks to the core of the problem, here, really, doesn't it? :-(
I haven't watched any news today, because I just... Can't handle it, anymore. Especially with their slant on it, and knowing that Smirkmo will have his face plastered everywhere, justifying this...
The phrase is "Come soon, Lord Jesus". This is a battle between Goodness and Creation vs the death cult. You may not believe in Jesus (yet), but the evil people at the top of all this literally worship the same Babylonian gods/demons that are warned about in the Old Testament. It was all in WikiLeaks a few years ago. When I found that out, I prayed to God, who did come down to earth as a man to sort us out, and He responded. Getting right with God should be our top priority, so we can hear His guidance in the coming challenges ahead. May the Lord bless you and keep you, may His face shine upon you, [all who read this]
Raz0rfist has talked about this occasionally, beginning years ago - WWIV will be a loosely-related series of civil wars with ideological and occasionally material support between the two sets of belligerents - establishment and revolutionary - in each country falling in line with their equivalents in other countries.
I happen to like the theory - it makes a certain degree of sense, that if the US and France, for example, had a simultaneous revolt against their ruling class, perhaps Germany, Canada, and the UK send in troops to assist in putting the revolt down, but this triggers their own revolutionaries to take advantage of the decreased security posture and start their own revolutions, and as able fighters from one country cross over into another or send materiel to their ideological counterparts the conflict becomes both localized and global.
I’ve sometimes thought about it. Like if things kicked off, I imagine sending guns and ammo to free the UK or Poland, just as was done for America back in the day.
It would be hard to sit on the sidelines while patriots tried to free themselves.
The Liberator pistols may have been a failure in WWII, but the principle is sound. When revolting against an occupying force, you only need to be well-armed enough to acquire better weaponry.
So what if, as would hypothetically be the case in Aus, seemingly (Jesus, I'm gonna be on a watchlist tomorrow), the enemy is the existing government of the country itself, and the population is largely unarmed..?
Then what do we do/how would we get even basic arms in the first place..? Or are we just totally screwed, as seems very much to increasingly be the case...
We are a bunch of islands, a long way from most of the western world, after all...
Side note: There's a book series called "Tomorrow", starting with "Tomorrow When the War Began". I read it in school. I wasn't a huge fan, but it is massively famous in Aus. Deals with a hypothetical invasion and takeover of Aus by an Asian army resembling China or Indonesia (both are our biggest threats), and the efforts by local teenagers and young people to fight back... Apparently it's quite good, overall, so that comes as a recommendation, if anyone is interested, and can tolerate an entry from the YA genre, before it become utterly shit as it is today, lol...
You may not have many implements where force is achieved by accelerating a small mass very quickly, but you likely do have access to implements whereby a larger mass can be accelerated less quickly for a similar total effect.
They're the leading cause of unnatural death in most locales where they are available, operated by a crew of one, and tend to be designed for crew survival in the event of an inadvertent impact.
A seemingly-endless series of proxy battles that continues up until today, between the neoliberal world order and their puppet states and pet revolutionaries and the neomarxist world order and their puppet states and pet revolutionaries - very different from WWI and WWII on the surface... underneath, not so much.
I think (guessing) that the theory they are going for here ascribes to the "I don't know with what weapons WW3 will be fought, but WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones" idea...
More specifically, that is to say that it assumes WW3 will have already happened beforehand, and that the war it is talking about will come after, perhaps as a result of said WW3...
Though the difference with Raz0rfist/almond's version is that they are assuming these nation states will remain intact throughout, at least the third World War, whereas Einstein, at least apocryphally, seemed to think that it would result in them "Returning to Monke"TM...
The short answer is that our government acted slowly, after they already had some idea of the virus, and its spread + apparent lethality (lol), because of vested interests, and it is likely that it came on a flight from China itself...
The longer answer is as follows: China is our biggest trading partner. They're also our largest investor and real estate market (as in, they buy our shit boxes. The reverse is legally impossible, not coincidentally...)
Chinese make up a huge and ever-increasing proportion of our immigrant population. They make up the majority of our international students, on which our increasingly "degree mill-like" universities rely, for cash. Also a MASSIVE source of visa rorting, permanent residency schemes and generally unskilled labour, second only to the subconinent. Etc, etc. Rinse and repeat.
The government knows all this. Big business knows all this. So do the corporate lobbyists. So does the education sector. So does the public sector. And so, they all had significant vested interests in keeping those flights coming, and the Chinese entering, right up until it was no longer politically viable to keep going.
That is how the virus got here. Then they panicked, and went so far in the other direction that we have now become the laughing stock of the world.
And yet, they STILL make exceptions to be able to import foreign students and migrant (unskilled) workers. STILL, even now, when we can't even leave.
Not to mention all the fucking celebrities and rich Americans (amongst others) who came here on holiday, and then were allowed out into the country, to either film shit, or just because they paid lots and lots of money to the government. Including fucking FKA Bruce Jenner, of all people, to film Celebrity Big Brother (I am not making this up). And yet, we still can't leave, 35,000 Australians are "trapped" overseas, and the government literally tried to make it illegal for AUSTRALIAN CITIZENS to return from India, via third countries...
So yeah, you're right, in theory, but in reality... The border is porous, and our federal government is so corrupt, so beholden to China and to the ultra-rich that in reality? It means jack shit. And that's how these fucking "outbreaks" keep happening, and how they continue to have a few cases, every now and again, to continue extending lockdowns, and ruining our fucking lives...
Sorry if I sound "blackpilled", but that's the objective summary of the situation. Everyone with even an inkling of what is going on knows this, however there is so many vested interests, and so much apathy, that no one, seemingly in the entire fucking middle class, gives a shit. And that is how we get to today.
For outsiders that are curious, here's a stab at an explainer from an Aussie.
Australia has always been isolated, geographically we've been insulated from the worst of most events that shaped other countries. Hence our self imposed term of the "lucky country" And combined with out geopolitical position we've always had to cozy up to the dominant world power. UK then America and maybe China next to allow us to maintain maritime trade.
The downside of being the lucky country is that we are shielded from hardship. The same deleterious affects that effect an individual who is mollycoddled and grows up weak and spineless, apparently affects countries too.
The only upside is that the governments not very good at tyranny as they can't really push hard because there's literally no-one pushing back.
I mean if we had a 2nd amendment and were an armed populace they would have an excuse to escalate.
That's not... Quite what the lucky country means/is about...
You're on the right track, but it's actually even simpler than that.
Yes, everyone gets it wrong. I know that. But it was meant to be a sarcastic dig. It was never, ever meant to be taken literally...
Just... Look it up, pls. You're on track with some of what you say, here, but... That just ain't it, friend.
Also, I would contend with what you've said about "maintain(ing) maritime trade". We don't need to cozy up to China to do that. However if we didn't, sure, our absurd economy of digging shit up and flogging it off to the highest bidder would collapse, but that's our own fault for having the economic complexity of fucking Senegal, lol...
It's not about maintaining maritime trade. It never was. It's about maximising profits for a relatively small number of people, no matter the humanitarian and/or political costs, and, sure, I grant you, the jobs that come along with the associated "digging shit up, and flogging it off".
Though oddly we're apparently too stupid to even ship the shit around the world ourselves. It is almost all done on foreign owned and crewed ships, which... Tells you something about this whole snafu.
The "lucky country". We haven't learned shit since Don coined that in the 1960s, and that's the fucking problem...
Anyway, I appreciate your "stab". I just... Don't agree with it, and I think it misses a few key points, as I explained below. But nonetheless, I appreciate the attempt, and your take on things. :-)
Today the troops appear on Sydney streets – and it’s heartbreaking that they’ve been sent there by Liberals. --- Geez, it's not heartbreaking at all, it's not surprising one bit. This is what Liberals do. They say they are all for freedom, diversity, whatever, until they get power, because it was only to get power, power is all they care about, power for themselves. They stand for nothing else but enriching themselves, for raising their status. I always hear older gen Libs, or current moderate libs whine about these ruining it for the rest of them, but it was always what "Liberalism" was about.
Yeah, that's actually quite an interesting and enlightening take on it all (though I haven't read the full thing yet, just what you quoted). So thanks for that.
I don't know where exactly we are headed, but I don't like it. I don't like it at all.
Watch this space, those of you outside the Aus/NZ bubble. We're going down a very dark path, and I promise you, whether you think they are or not, YOUR government is watching what is going on down here, seeing how far it can be pushed without real resistance, and then planning how they can potentially implement it on their own citizens in the future. At least in the Anglosphere and around it. I guarantee you that much.
All i can say is I'm glad the US hasn't given up our guns.
Shitbags can get fucked.
The US population isn't too far off from Australians these days. Outside of the "WAIT UNTIL THEY TRY TO VIOLATE MY RIGHTS!" rhetoric on social media, nobody will bother fighting against Tyranny. The US is too divided (thanks to decades of illegal immigration among other things) and corporations have too much economic and financial control over the lives of citizens.
I think this is a complacent attitude. I truly hope you are correct and everyone in your state would act when the time comes, but I have my doubts. I think the time to act has already arrived and many of us are standing idle, unsure of what to do.
Not true at all. My state for example has banned mandatory vaccinations and vaccine passports.
You say nobody is fighting, but based on what? That you don’t see any protests? That’s because the people in red states are already back to normal, and the people in blue states voluntarily wear the masks and would enjoy another round of lockdowns because they’re addicted to fear.
I’m generalizing of course, but people in the US don’t have to deal with this kind of coercion.
A lot of us are complacent because we live in red states that don’t have these problems.
That’s the plan, but it will not happen here. We’re still too rebellious in America. I would say this was shocking, but I was already aware the culture is different in Aus/NZ. More compliant for some reason.
Do you know why? And are people in Aus generally religious, or not?
I hate to say it, but this is... Not as unusual in Aus as you might think.
We don't have the protections you guys have (presuming you're American). On anything. We don't even have a Bill of Rights. There is no requirement, in this country, that the Prime Minister consult Parliament before declaring war. Even in the US, that situation isn't possible.
So... I fear that this may have been inevitable. That we were always heading this way. Certainly, from where I sit, this has been the path we've been headed down since waaaaayyyy before the pandemic started. We've been going this way since... I'm gonna say at least 2013. This is just the inevitable point we have reached.
But culture plays a role, too. Imagine an almost completely unarmed populace, with a strong (for its size), highly technologically-advanced military, militarised police (yes, like in America), but also with the oddly collectivist, "do as you're told", dobber mentality and surveillance state of the UK (notably, their police do not carry guns. Ours do.), and then you might get a bit of an idea of how this has come to pass...
Something is rotten in the state of Ausmark. Something has been for quite some time.
Sorry, I didn't realise that this is a slang word, but in Australian (yes, I'm serious), to dob means to snitch, essentially.
So a "dobber" is a snitch, or like, a scab I guess. A rat. The kind of person who would report you to the literal Gestapo, and sell you out...
Theoretically, dobbers, or snitches, used to get stitches, here (as in we fucking hated them), but for some bizarre reason, in the last 20 years, that changed, and we have become a "nation of dobbers". Even the very worst of the mainstream media admits that one...
Being the lucky country has made us intolerably weak. We've always had a tall poppy cut people down culture.
Meaning anyone who stands out has to be cut down? Morally or in what way?
"Tall poppy syndrome" refers to the tall poppy being cut down, and is generally a negative way to refer to the Australian ideal of not taking yourself too seriously. It's a double edged sword but as an example. If anyone instead of making a resume like everyone else, made a website and used it so self promote. Using a bit of arrogance to elevate themselves, would attract some criticism. You would then say it's "tall poppy syndrome" from the normies.
A lot of it is just complaining but in Australia the normal human reaction to pull people back into the herd seems to be stronger then the average.
Good article. We call it Globehomo here in the States but the point still stands.
Ya poor Bernie sanders. Totally an enemy of globohomo.
Its not capitalism. It's authoritarianism. Massive government created and protected corporations staffed by the same bureaucrats that govern them shutting small business and the middle class down. Stop associating government tyranny with "capitalism"
Capitalism and the free market wouldn't tolerate these abject failures of corporations that are forever subsidized by taxes and given preferential treatment by the government
It's the first step in taking complete control. Testing to see how the sheep react to enforcement of their orders. They aren't going to deploy the entire ADF tomorrow, no, this is a dry run. They don't want to deploy the ADF, that costs money and makes things too obvious.
If the people don't react negatively, then anything the Liberals want, they will passively accept. Sure, some might bitch a bit, but that's it. Military intervention won't be necessary at all. You've already surrendered. This is how most of Europe lost WWII.
If you don't get out of the city now, there is no hope.
Funnily enough, I always thought it would be Melbourne or Canberra (or maybe Adelaide) that would fall first, and not SW Sydney of all places...
But I guess that's the point, isn't it? Crush the hardest pockets of resistance first, "make an example" of them, broadcast it to your willing simps elsewhere in the country, and they'll happily cheer you on and beg for more...
It's like how, in recent times, the Powers that Be, and indeed the media, have been pushing woke shit (drag queen story time, anti-"art" galleries that promote ugly shit all made by minorities) in notably conservative regional cities (Launceston, Mackay, Townsville, the Gold Coast, even fucking Broken Hill), to see how much they can break the spirit of the people there, and stamp out any pockets of "traditional" Aussie bloke culture...
And the fucking news media cheers it on, and says how "wonderful" it is to see our cities "revived and renewed"...
I don't like this path we're on, but I'm afraid I don't really see much of a positive "out" or "end of the tunnel", coming up anywhere soon... :-/
I honestly..I don't know how to help. For the longest time, I thought Australia had kicked off the cocksucking boot licking of the UK and Canada. Your beautiful home and its people were what Americans thought the rest of the world should be, more polite, less assholes (us) but self-assured and rugged enough to stand against even the worst shit. I think Canberra was infiltrated and taken over by the UK some time ago through influence schemes. They did the same to Canada and NZ.
In America, there's places like NYC and California in general, but for the most part, America fucking hates the government. We get angry over changes in our postal situation. The biggest pussies were getting guns and we are short on ammo because people hate the idea of anyone telling them what to do. The amount of sheer propaganda in the media and government with the help of their enforcers in big tech, and they still can't even convince over half their useful idiots to get their poison injection. Over 90% of our country voted for a troll over a career politician with high favorability ratings in 2016, it was even higher before the The Steal.
We've actually become way, way more authoritarian and collectivist than the UK... We've been that way for a while. So I know the pop culture suggests otherwise, as you say, as does... Our national "mythology", but all of that self-assured ruggedness died out a while ago, AT LEAST 2008, if not earlier...
But like, on the UK comparison, I'm talking orders of magnitude worse. We're even worse than Canada. We're worse than NZ. I know I keep repeating this, but there literally isn't another country in the entire "Western" sphere of influence behaving like our governments (state and federal, and indeed local) are towards our citizens right now...
We're also the most feminist Anglo country aside from NZ. Like, the feminism here is significantly advanced upon what you see anywhere in North America, or indeed in the UK. I'm not exaggerating. They even admit it themselves. I don't know how it happened, but it did. We don't so much as resemble England in that regard, as we do Sweden or Denmark...
I know I sound whiny. I don't mean to, but... It's almost like there's a weird psychosis over the Australian population right now...
People WANT this. People WANT more of it. And yes, they're brainwashed by the media. Yes, people, including me, are scared to speak out. But there's something more going on here than that, I feel...
Like, the state and territory governments doing this have all been returned with an increased majority, so far. Every single one of them. And it is so bad that the second-most authoritarian regime, in Western Australia, reduced the conservative opposition to something like two seats in Parliament, so WA is now almost as close as it is possible to get to a one-party state. That shouldn't happen in a democracy. It is literally never supposed to happen. Then again, nor is sending fucking troops onto the streets to lock people in their houses...
So I dunno, man. I think you're partly onto something, yes, that we took the worst of British traditions of suppressed liberty, and ran with them, surpassing them along the way, but I think, with some degree of "evidence", that it has more to do with our relationship with China and India than anything else...
We have the most Chinese and Indian/subcontinental immigrants of any major Anglosphere country. Our trade ties are far closer to China than they are to the US (surprising, I know), and China literally, not figuratively, owns a large proportion of our assets, physical and otherwise. So when people say "a Chinese takeover of Australia", or "Australia is becoming a province of China", while we were once being sarcastic, I'm not so sure we are, anymore...
That's one of the things about this that really worries me, honestly.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk, ha.
When we say brainwashed...the stupidest thing is I have friends who aren't dopes, yet they too are openly buying into this. They WANT this...for fuck sake, some of them are LEFTIES and they're actively supporting a PM they've openly hated on for the last few years. They're willingly going on along with all of this because they think it's gonna lead to things getting back to the way they were....how can they not see what's going on? Things aren't gonna be the same again. They're openly supporting big brother.
Like I have friends who are openly cheering the suspension of Sky News. I'm not really a big supporter of Sky News but I'm not gonna cheer their suspension because it's ultimately SILENCING a voice and if they can do it to them, what makes you think they won't do it to us the little people?
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON? I know, Clown World, but fuck me, it's frightening to me how many people who I knew were once anti government or at the very least distrustful of the government and in other cases downright hateful of the fact that's it a conservative party in power ARE FUCKING OPENLY CHEERING THIS ON!
What the fuck is going on?
I just want to slap these people and tell them to wake up. If you think life is going back to the way it was post-jab...well they're in for some fucking disappointment. Because this shit is gonna hang over us and change everything. Give the government a taste of control like they've never had before and they will never give it up...that's the frightening thing about all of this...that people in this country are willingly accepting it.
Midwits and the fairly intelligent are easy to brainwash. Stupid people can be manipulated, with emotion, but they are often stubbornly critical of people trying to manipulate them against their own interests. Smart people rationalize, and once they've consented to "believe" something they've been convinced is good, they refuse to admit they've just been programmed. They're too smart for that, and there's too much of a "house of cards" supporting that position.
Sounds like Democrats in our country. Luckily we have some solid conservative states to get away from them.
Perhaps it is a little of column China, a little from Column stolen election.
That explains your government, but doesn't explain why the people are so cucked. Maybe humans in large numbers just shouldn't exist.
Give the jab a few years to work it's magic, then we can thank our benevolent overlords for understanding that.
That’s really interesting, I did not know that. I think this is the source of your problems. I recall during the 2016 election reading a story about a group of people from Aus supporting Bernie Sanders.
First thought as an American was, “Wtf are they doing interfering in our election”, second thought was “haha commie losers”, but the third one was “they all look rather… feminine”.
Sad to hear it.
But even then its still not the right target, Queenslanders have forever been known as the polar opposite of Victorians with New South Welshmen being a happy middle conservative...
Yeah, I know, but... I guess NSW is a different kind of conservatism, at this point...
Sydney is much more "ethnic" than pretty much anywhere in Qld. Especially the Southwest, where these boots are being shoved on the ground. Owing to that... It was one of the very few areas that voted "No" in the gay marriage plebby...
But it's also the fact that NSW has had a "conservative" (YMMV) government for solidly a decade, while Qld has barely had more than a one-term "conservative" government in the last 25 years or so...
So your point stands, at least on a cultural level, but... Demographics change, and it's also important not to underestimate just how many wokies moved from Victoria and NSW up to SEQ, in the last couple of years, especially post-lockdowns...
Anyway, none of this matters, but... If I'm right, I can see why they've targetted where they have.
They know it'll have an impact. They know it's a powder keg. And they know it'll make for... An "interesting" test case as to which minorities follow orders best, and which stick up the metaphorical middle finger first to this flagrant disregard for human rights...
I would add my usual "lol", but honestly, there's nothing really to laugh at about this, anymore. This shit has gone much too far for that, now... :-/
It will be the same everywhere, and people will meekly accept their new life as slaves, everywhere. In the USA we have guns (not for long) but no one will do anything, ever, as long as the supermarket shelves are stocked. They'll talk shit and post memes, nothing else, ever. All will bow and become slaves. In their hearts it's what they want. They want to be taken care of, to live a safe life, to eat the soy and corn syrup.
Western governments know this. The people vote for this, over and over again. We are getting what we voted for. Everyone just thought they would get to enjoy the benifits of freedom while voting for welfare and slavery. Surprise motherfuckers.
FYI, Liberal with a capital L down here is the "conservative" party, in theory...
I know that's confusing, but it's important to remember for this story, and for everything we've been experiencing down here, over the last 15 months or so...
Also, if you get soft paywalled (you shouldn't, unless you've visited the Speccy in the last month), try opening it on a different device or in Incognito... Usually seems to work shrug.
I should add, aside from maybe Boris in the UK (or the "Conservatives" within any of the other constituent bits of the UK), or maybe some state governors in the US, or Canada, I think our federal and state "conservatives" are probably the most cuckservative governments I have ever seen, anywhere... Especially Morrison (Scotty from marketing). He is a completely useless "hollow man", with zero guiding convictions, be they conservatism or anything else, and his government is probably the least actually "conservative" government from that party I can ever remember seeing...
It doesn't actually govern. It just sits there, and attacks anyone who dares question it. Somehow that almost feels even worse than a competent authoritarian government, because when you combine authoritarianism with complete incompetence and utter lack of conviction, plus zero real leadership... That's when people get killed, by accident or otherwise. And it worries me that we may well be headed that way, at this rate...
Theyre Conservatives in the sense that their just a bit Right of the Labour Party. Never forget that it was a "Conservative" Government that disarmed us, fuck you John Howard
Yeah...
I mean, even when Menzies founded it, it was more "economically" conservative/laissez-faire, than anything else... I don't think they've ever been overly socially conservative, Howard be damned...
If anything, as you say, they've always been sort of "middle of the road", centre right, even under Menzies and his direct successors...
Oh God, the libertarians actually have power in your country?
Yeah, I don't want to get myself on a watchlist anymore than I already would be (not even joking...), but... Let's just say that, regardless of the shitty politics behind it, watching The Old Bailey scene, + end of V for Vendetta, right now, is even more satisfying than it ever was, lol...
Though as you say, I'm a fucking coward, too. Much as I appreciate a fight, when someone threatens me, I am fairly confident that given the situation we are both trying to avoid speaking of (lol), I'll just cower and go along with it, rather than risk seeing the people around me suffer anything too terrible...
I also don't particularly find the idea of prison or psychiatric confinement overly appealing, myself, so... Yeah, I'm with you.
Unfortunately, though, I think this opinion is the prevailing majority, in this country, which is how... They know they can get away with it. No one is going to stand up. Not me, not you, not... Honestly anyone much, except for those with nothing to lose, at this point. And that speaks to the core of the problem, here, really, doesn't it? :-(
If that is the majority sentiment, then you’ve nailed it. You have to put God first, above comfort, money, safety, family, freedom, even your life.
Otherwise they find your weakness and use it against you. You do have to be willing to lose it all to gain it all.
~Martial Law Activated~
Yeah. :-(
I haven't watched any news today, because I just... Can't handle it, anymore. Especially with their slant on it, and knowing that Smirkmo will have his face plastered everywhere, justifying this...
Eugh.
Also more and more leftist as a whole, but I'm sure that's a coincidence. I'm sure...
Imagine being deployed to Afghanistan, coming home, and being deployed to the same people as in Afghanistan.
The phrase is "Come soon, Lord Jesus". This is a battle between Goodness and Creation vs the death cult. You may not believe in Jesus (yet), but the evil people at the top of all this literally worship the same Babylonian gods/demons that are warned about in the Old Testament. It was all in WikiLeaks a few years ago. When I found that out, I prayed to God, who did come down to earth as a man to sort us out, and He responded. Getting right with God should be our top priority, so we can hear His guidance in the coming challenges ahead. May the Lord bless you and keep you, may His face shine upon you, [all who read this]
I am rather unsure of where I'm at spiritually, but I have absolute certainty that we are facing the forces of Evil.
That's good. Keep your eyes and ears open, my friend. Knowing that this is a war is half the battle, it means you haven't been hardened of heart.
Ever get the feeling when it kicks off it'll be a world wide event?
Raz0rfist has talked about this occasionally, beginning years ago - WWIV will be a loosely-related series of civil wars with ideological and occasionally material support between the two sets of belligerents - establishment and revolutionary - in each country falling in line with their equivalents in other countries.
I happen to like the theory - it makes a certain degree of sense, that if the US and France, for example, had a simultaneous revolt against their ruling class, perhaps Germany, Canada, and the UK send in troops to assist in putting the revolt down, but this triggers their own revolutionaries to take advantage of the decreased security posture and start their own revolutions, and as able fighters from one country cross over into another or send materiel to their ideological counterparts the conflict becomes both localized and global.
I’ve sometimes thought about it. Like if things kicked off, I imagine sending guns and ammo to free the UK or Poland, just as was done for America back in the day.
It would be hard to sit on the sidelines while patriots tried to free themselves.
The Liberator pistols may have been a failure in WWII, but the principle is sound. When revolting against an occupying force, you only need to be well-armed enough to acquire better weaponry.
So what if, as would hypothetically be the case in Aus, seemingly (Jesus, I'm gonna be on a watchlist tomorrow), the enemy is the existing government of the country itself, and the population is largely unarmed..?
Then what do we do/how would we get even basic arms in the first place..? Or are we just totally screwed, as seems very much to increasingly be the case...
We are a bunch of islands, a long way from most of the western world, after all...
Side note: There's a book series called "Tomorrow", starting with "Tomorrow When the War Began". I read it in school. I wasn't a huge fan, but it is massively famous in Aus. Deals with a hypothetical invasion and takeover of Aus by an Asian army resembling China or Indonesia (both are our biggest threats), and the efforts by local teenagers and young people to fight back... Apparently it's quite good, overall, so that comes as a recommendation, if anyone is interested, and can tolerate an entry from the YA genre, before it become utterly shit as it is today, lol...
F=M*A.
You may not have many implements where force is achieved by accelerating a small mass very quickly, but you likely do have access to implements whereby a larger mass can be accelerated less quickly for a similar total effect.
They're the leading cause of unnatural death in most locales where they are available, operated by a crew of one, and tend to be designed for crew survival in the event of an inadvertent impact.
Ah, yes, I think I understand...
Toot toot..?
Are we classifying the Cold War or something else as WWIII?
The Cold War is WWIII in this hypothetical.
A seemingly-endless series of proxy battles that continues up until today, between the neoliberal world order and their puppet states and pet revolutionaries and the neomarxist world order and their puppet states and pet revolutionaries - very different from WWI and WWII on the surface... underneath, not so much.
I think (guessing) that the theory they are going for here ascribes to the "I don't know with what weapons WW3 will be fought, but WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones" idea...
More specifically, that is to say that it assumes WW3 will have already happened beforehand, and that the war it is talking about will come after, perhaps as a result of said WW3...
Though the difference with Raz0rfist/almond's version is that they are assuming these nation states will remain intact throughout, at least the third World War, whereas Einstein, at least apocryphally, seemed to think that it would result in them "Returning to Monke"TM...
Still a prison colony.
How did the virus arrive in Australia?
Does anybody know?
Didn’t Australia ban all flights?
Of course not, that would be too effective to justify totalitarian countermeasures.
The short answer is that our government acted slowly, after they already had some idea of the virus, and its spread + apparent lethality (lol), because of vested interests, and it is likely that it came on a flight from China itself...
The longer answer is as follows: China is our biggest trading partner. They're also our largest investor and real estate market (as in, they buy our shit boxes. The reverse is legally impossible, not coincidentally...) Chinese make up a huge and ever-increasing proportion of our immigrant population. They make up the majority of our international students, on which our increasingly "degree mill-like" universities rely, for cash. Also a MASSIVE source of visa rorting, permanent residency schemes and generally unskilled labour, second only to the subconinent. Etc, etc. Rinse and repeat.
The government knows all this. Big business knows all this. So do the corporate lobbyists. So does the education sector. So does the public sector. And so, they all had significant vested interests in keeping those flights coming, and the Chinese entering, right up until it was no longer politically viable to keep going.
That is how the virus got here. Then they panicked, and went so far in the other direction that we have now become the laughing stock of the world.
And yet, they STILL make exceptions to be able to import foreign students and migrant (unskilled) workers. STILL, even now, when we can't even leave. Not to mention all the fucking celebrities and rich Americans (amongst others) who came here on holiday, and then were allowed out into the country, to either film shit, or just because they paid lots and lots of money to the government. Including fucking FKA Bruce Jenner, of all people, to film Celebrity Big Brother (I am not making this up). And yet, we still can't leave, 35,000 Australians are "trapped" overseas, and the government literally tried to make it illegal for AUSTRALIAN CITIZENS to return from India, via third countries...
So yeah, you're right, in theory, but in reality... The border is porous, and our federal government is so corrupt, so beholden to China and to the ultra-rich that in reality? It means jack shit. And that's how these fucking "outbreaks" keep happening, and how they continue to have a few cases, every now and again, to continue extending lockdowns, and ruining our fucking lives...
Sorry if I sound "blackpilled", but that's the objective summary of the situation. Everyone with even an inkling of what is going on knows this, however there is so many vested interests, and so much apathy, that no one, seemingly in the entire fucking middle class, gives a shit. And that is how we get to today.
Return to monke.
Funny, I feel like I understand that.
For outsiders that are curious, here's a stab at an explainer from an Aussie.
Australia has always been isolated, geographically we've been insulated from the worst of most events that shaped other countries. Hence our self imposed term of the "lucky country" And combined with out geopolitical position we've always had to cozy up to the dominant world power. UK then America and maybe China next to allow us to maintain maritime trade.
The downside of being the lucky country is that we are shielded from hardship. The same deleterious affects that effect an individual who is mollycoddled and grows up weak and spineless, apparently affects countries too.
The only upside is that the governments not very good at tyranny as they can't really push hard because there's literally no-one pushing back.
I mean if we had a 2nd amendment and were an armed populace they would have an excuse to escalate.
That's not... Quite what the lucky country means/is about...
You're on the right track, but it's actually even simpler than that.
Yes, everyone gets it wrong. I know that. But it was meant to be a sarcastic dig. It was never, ever meant to be taken literally...
Just... Look it up, pls. You're on track with some of what you say, here, but... That just ain't it, friend.
Also, I would contend with what you've said about "maintain(ing) maritime trade". We don't need to cozy up to China to do that. However if we didn't, sure, our absurd economy of digging shit up and flogging it off to the highest bidder would collapse, but that's our own fault for having the economic complexity of fucking Senegal, lol...
It's not about maintaining maritime trade. It never was. It's about maximising profits for a relatively small number of people, no matter the humanitarian and/or political costs, and, sure, I grant you, the jobs that come along with the associated "digging shit up, and flogging it off".
Though oddly we're apparently too stupid to even ship the shit around the world ourselves. It is almost all done on foreign owned and crewed ships, which... Tells you something about this whole snafu.
The "lucky country". We haven't learned shit since Don coined that in the 1960s, and that's the fucking problem...
Anyway, I appreciate your "stab". I just... Don't agree with it, and I think it misses a few key points, as I explained below. But nonetheless, I appreciate the attempt, and your take on things. :-)
Today the troops appear on Sydney streets – and it’s heartbreaking that they’ve been sent there by Liberals. --- Geez, it's not heartbreaking at all, it's not surprising one bit. This is what Liberals do. They say they are all for freedom, diversity, whatever, until they get power, because it was only to get power, power is all they care about, power for themselves. They stand for nothing else but enriching themselves, for raising their status. I always hear older gen Libs, or current moderate libs whine about these ruining it for the rest of them, but it was always what "Liberalism" was about.
As I tried to explain elsewhere, Liberal with a capital L are the conservative party, in Australia...
Though "conservative" just means... Somewhere in between the Dems and Reps in the US. They're not all that conservative in reality.
But they aren't what you think of as "liberals", or at least they don't brand themselves that way...
Hence, we use "progressive" to describe the people you are talking about, down here, generally speaking...
Confusing, I know, but that's the general idea.
I explained it more in one of my earlier comments.