So I'm a lurker in a hobby group.
Like most technical hobbies there are not a lot of women.
The only person I know that identifies as female is transgender.
Nobody is excluding women. No one is even bringing gender up at all. Half the community could be women and you wouldn't know it because nobody is talking about that stuff. (But since it's a nerdy hobby that requires a lot of technical skill you know it's going to be almost all men.)
There's also no discussion of race. Very few users have ever appeared on camera and it's not like anyone is bringing up their race out of the blue. So we also would have no way of knowing what race 95% of the users are
There's no politics. There's no banter.
Nothing controversial is ever discussed.
It's all perfectly on topic or topic adjacent.
It's 80% technical talk, 10% movies/games/media, and 10% small talk.
Well the community recently ran a survey of users to get a grasp on skill level, tools, interests, and desires of the community and I bet you can see where I'm going with this ...
In the survey results were a whole lot of "suggestions" that are blatant attempts at woke entryism.
(I've got a suspicion they're all from the same person or small group of people.)
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Calls to improve the diversity of the community.
(Where we know almost no-one's race, and no-one cares what anyone else's race is.) -
Calls to make the community more open and inviting.
(It's open to everyone who doesn't act like a jerk. You don't even have to be a skilled builder to participate people are fully welcome to just spectate and chat. It couldn't possibly get more open.) -
Calls to make the community more friendly to women.
(It's not unfriendly to women, or friendly to men. Your gender literally doesn't matter in the community.) -
Calls to start doing more feminine projects and activities to make the community more interesting to women.
(Again, this group is for a very specific, gender irrelevant, hobby. Only way to introduce feminine projects would be to make it about something else.)
I'm not privy to the discussions of the small mod team, but I'm pretty sure someone has already approached them (or will soon) about adding a "female", diversity focused, moderator with power to make changes to the community to improve diversity and appeal to women.
And as we know all too well, that's when things start to go downhill, fast.
This is exactly why when I see an apologist post, I go out of my way to throw in my opposing two cents. Doesn't hurt to help shout down apologists even if you don't care much for the subject at hand.
I remember looking at a thread about adding a code of conduct into an open source project. So many post by people who were part of the community and wanted it. The fact that almost all of them were by new accounts with 1 post isn't important. The fact that even the supporting accounts that weren't new had near no contribution to open source that wasn't word changes also wasn't important. They outweigh those who don't want politics and merely contribute code. That's what's important.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1386739669866455043.html
Here is what you wanted.
This is exactly right.
This is actually a huge line of attack. Look, this "diversity" nonsense is just that so absolutely shove it in their face and back on them that their "diversity" is in utter contradiction to their actions and demands for equality. Make them admit to being explicitly intolerant of dissent. Make them admit that they do not want diversity in a range of opinions. Push on the idea that equality is homogeneous, and is antithetical to diversity. If you want one, you must deny the other.
If you have to be careful, malicious compliance works well. Make them answer very uncomfortable questions.
I had a friend do this with HR. Literally texted me while it was happening. HR was pushing for everyone to fill out their race on their payroll website. They were going to use it DIE initiatives (never say DEI, Diversity Equity Inclusion, always say DIE or Diversity Inclusion Equity). He knew there would be questions later on that could be asked anonymously, I told him to ask "What would the punishments be for individuals who didn't register their race with HR?"
It's trick question. Punishing people for not registering is a violation of the 1964 Civil Rights act and opens up the company to class-action lawsuits.
They admitted that anyone would be allowed to put anything down under racial status including no preference.
Make them do that all the time. God willing, push them to assert whether they have a stance on the Jewish Question. Make them openly assert that Jews are either Jews or White. Make them it's exclusive. They will almost never answer, but if they do it's a trap you can hit them with. If they say Whites can't be Jews, ask them why they don't recognize white Jews or white Jewish converts. If they say whites can be Jews, flip the whole script and start referring to Jews and Whites interchangeably. "So when you say Whites are Jews, then do we need to talk about Jewish Privilege? How do we become less Jewish to make this company more welcoming?"
Always find their inconsistencies and hit them with very uncomfortable questions and uncomfortable truths.
Totally agree. There is no reason not to fight. You are just giving ground without resisting. Always resist, even in a lost cause. Even if it is a lost cause (which it really may not be), do not hesitate to fight wherever you are.
The trouble with creating inconsistencies is that while it may turn back 1 individual, it doesn't really stop the whole. Dialectical materialism is the underlying philosophy of marxism, and it's not that easy to understand because it's not meant to be. But one of the cores of it is that it relies on a constant churning of ideas as inconsistencies lead to a synthesis of a new idea which is just as flimsy, but being consistent is not the point.
The "movement" will just come up with a new synthesis where "whiteness" is an identity and a series of behaviours whereas "Jewish" is a racial identity.
It's winning the battle but losing the war.
Sure but as you point out, that's tactics over strategy.
Grand strategic counter-measures requires much more organization than we currently have. Teach your kids, friends, and family how to arm themselves against Leftists, build yourself into someone with wealth and power, and then we can talk about strategically undermining and attacking them.
That was a good read. Thanks for posting it.
Good article. This is key imo:
u/akai_ferret should try to start their own backup community. Rigidly define it as NOT diverse- hobbyists only, no politics. no drama
I saw it happen in realtime on a goddamn minecraft server of all place (like 10 years ago when it was still in beta.)
Everyone was working together and getting along, then the server became more popular. Then the owner decided we needed moderators to keep it "family friendly" (no dicks or swastikas mostly). Then one, who some of us suspected was a tranny, was given mod powers because he was there all the time.
Then he became thought police in chat, banning anyone who used the word "gay" to mean something negative and generally powertripping. I told the admin it was bullshit, but the faggot leaned into emotional appeal how saying "this is gay" is the EXACT SAME as tying ryan white to a fence or some such shit. The admin sided with the tranny and I noped out.
I probably should have burned the server down when I left since I had the keys to the castle at the time, but I was tired of arguing which is how they win. They don't have families or jobs so they can needle all day, instantly respond to any posts/messages and generally make themselves heard over anyone who opposes them.
One way to fight this (I had a similar thing in one of groups I help moderate) is to point out that by introducing politics to it, you are mandating political positions for the entire group, a very divisive position to take.
If you can make that point stick early enough, you can get in front of the inclusive rhetoric that'll surely follow in an attempt to colonise your group.
That works until they shift to using language like "human rights" or "common decency" to refer to their politics. That is what my employer started doing: things like celebrating Floydmas became a matter of "standing up for human rights", and who doesn't want to do that? Are you against human rights?
I've noticed this as well. Lefties don't view their positions as political. They profess to be arbiters of all that is true, moral, good, and virtuous, while using logically unsound arguments and hold logically inconsistent views. They use every trick in the book to justify their positions and actions, which is easy for them because they're huge hypocrites, at the top they're manipulative liars and at the bottom useful idiots who couldn't reason their way out of a wet paper bag. Hell, they label speech they want to censor as "hate speech", claiming "it's not political, it's just human decency, and we have to protect people".
You can't argue with them because all they have is emotion. The only thing that works against leftists is thorough ideological gatekeeping, active discrimination and consequent removal of them whenever one is detected.
In other words, use their own tactics against them.
A bullet works against them
It's a meaningless group, why not stand up and say that women's hate speech, of which there is enough to fill an entire library a million times over, will make the group worse.
The only way to make things friendly to women is to introduce cliques where their open hatred can be let out to the detriment of everyone else.
Sigh. Unbelievably I have to side with you again, even if not for the same reason.
There is absolutely no reason not to stand up and fight, particularly in a meaningless group. There is no real loss in gaining the experience that you will need to have when the Leftists come for your job, your home, and your family.
That's actually a really pertinent point: if you can't even defend a meaningless group, how will you defend anything else? Get experience early in a situation where you can try different things without the pressure of losing something important and you'll be better prepared later when you need to win.
It's an old lesson of combat. Training will only take you so far, but you have to build combat experience the hard way, without losing all your men against a strong opponent. Win easy victories.
Otherwise you're that guy who buys a gun, never carries, never trains, and is sure he'll win an engagement when someone genuinely threatens his family.
How are you going to defend your family when their life is on the line if you've never even sighted in your gun, let alone actually done anything under pressure?
Same thing I said on Reddit:
Look at me.
Everyone here is wrong, that's why they lose communities.
Kick that shit in the teeth.
Doesn't matter if they kick you out, you are better off outside. Right at exactly this moment is when you literally need to take a harsh stand against that entryism. Do not just say, "eh, I don't know" say "Fuck you. This is a clear attempt to subvert this group, balkanize this group, and take power from the chaos that you will have sewn. It is literally the only direction this will goal, and I have a moral imperative to shove it in your face."
"You're a liar. You don't know the diversity of this community, you're just an ignorant bigot espousing Leftist racialist talking points, and hoping that attempting to divide the group by racial stereotypes is something that no one will notice. Fuck off."
"Again, you're a liar. This community is open. The fact that you are pushing 'diversity' already shows that you are utterly fucking intolerant towards ideas non-racialist ideas. You don't speak for anyone but yourself. We will not be a growing community by being radical Leftists pushing racialism."
"Again, you're a liar. You believe that women will only tolerate certain sexist and racist viewpoints because you see them as a political collective and nothing more. The problem is that women are human and as such are diverse in and among themselves. You don't speak for women, you do not get to say what is or is not friendly to them. There is no need to force women into a community because you hate the community as it is. You're free to fucking leave."
"Again, you do not speak for women. You're a liar and a sexist. Women are not a homogeneous political collective that you get to speak on behalf of as the final arbiter of gender. If you hate how boring this community is, that's your problem, not women's problem. Feel free to gtfo."
You need to start an argument over this because if you don't, the radicals will keep pushing at every available opportunity. They will not stop until either you or the community is dead.
Stand and fight, the worst they can do is push you out. If you leave without a fight, you just handed them ground and authority to say "HARUMPF! TAKE ALL THE OTHER SEXISTS INCELS WITH YOU" and it will be a victory.
If you stand and fight, it will garner attention, and it will attract other resistors. Even if you lose, you're still better off having fought in the first place, and you'll have networked with people who will have fought.
Leftism is a philosophy of War. If you withdraw from the battlefield, it is a loss. If you stand and fight, then you will take casualties, but at least you have a chance to win. If it is possible, while they are slow to deploy, attack aggressively. Kick that shit directly in the face. Explain to people what this is, how this works, and how the chain of events inevitably goes, and why it needs to be actively resisted. Again, the most damage is done after the Left gains power, not before. Fight hard early and upfront, and you'll be better off.
Sorry dude, it seems is to late. This seems to happen way to often. I've seen it happen before, in tech as well, some guys just buy in to all the media and truly believe that there is something keeping girls away, which translates to make the entire thing pamper to women.
I'm sorry for you.
What I've found is what the OP and Aardwolf mentioned being the likely case: a member of the Rainbow Reich leaped onto the mod team and started the slow burn process.
It could be that they just bought into the overwhelmingly prevalent notion from the zeitgeist that their community needed to be "more diverse", but I would be willing to bet the Rainbow Mafia already has its tendrils in the mod team and are working their multi-colored magic from behind the scenes.
The only answer to this and every one of them is: No. Fuck off.
The beginning of the end. Have you noticed that men don’t really have their own spaces anymore? No matter what kind of club or group (unless it’s hard physical labor), women just have to be involved? And then it turns gay.
And those things will chase away the males that made the thing good in the first place. Really do have to post a sign no girls allowed, same with gays and non-whites a lot of the time too. There will be White Males inculcated to this, you just need to keep them from power and stomp them out early.
Just do this one and you’ll save yourself from the other ones.
Make a public post and a stand whilst you still can.
If it aint broke, break it so you can say you fixed it.