It's possible they all will - COVID-19 itself is known to cause blood clots, so the fraction of the population vulnerable to this disorder might have already been dying of it and just been lost among the other COVID-19 blood clot deaths.
Possibly over a thousand people have died from the vaccine out of millions who have been vaccinated. Pro-vaxxers have been saying "well that's a tiny fraction of vaxxed people, so I'm playing those odds."
I therefore expect peoples' response to the FDA and CDC to be "They're overreacting; it was only six people!," but I'm not seeing that mentality anywhere in the vaccine-related chats at my job. Instead there's mostly silence but for a few people like "huh, that's not good."
Previous conventional vaccines ( on the same model as AstraZeneca and Johnson's ) against human coronaviruses had the charming habit of killing the test animals.
Including by catastrophic reaction if the animal was re-exposed to the virus several months after vaccination.
Now both widely-used conventional vaccines show very specific blood clot reaction a few days after vaccination.
This has the potential to be a catastrophe 100 times worse than the virus.
We will see for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines ; they use a different mechanism and aside from rare allergic reaction right after injection, didn't raise flags and are more effective too.
When you strip it right down, it's about a manufactured crisis caused a civilization to react by trying to "fix" it, only the fix made things worse, and then they tried to fix that ... and that's why there's only birds now.
yeah, I'm going to need to see extensive testing to prove that an mRNA gene therapy drug is safe and effective. My guess is that it is wide-scale R&D work to up their game in mRNA therapies and this was a convienient excuse to test on the general public. Irrational fear is a wonderful thing.
Ya, that is why I'm sitting this vaccine out until full FDA testing is complete at least. I'm not high risk of death and the all the high risk people I do know and see in person are getting the vaccine.
That remains me of a cartoon I once saw of two cavemen sitting around. One says:
"I don't get it. All our food is organic. We don't use any plastic or toxic chemicals. No drugs. We get exercise every day. And our life expectancy is still 35!"
There was a lot of awful shit in the premodern era, from plagues, to famines, diseases or body issues with no treatment, etc. We have it easy today.
Covid would have been a "bad year" in the premodern era. Not a global meltdown like we have seen.
I'm waiting for a generation of children born after the gene therapies were rolled out to reach adulthood. There's no need to take a risk with the stuff when there are no health benefits.
I heard they are going to "expedite"(rush) the full FDA approvals of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines and that somehow it will happen this year before the full report comes out.
The full FDA report is slated to come out only in the beginning of 2023.
If anyone wants the vaccine I think it would be best to wait until 2023.
I know you're trying to make a point, but if the reaction numbers are as rare as they say they are, then that's a 0.00085% chance of dying from the vaccine.
COVID itself, stating numbers we often use to argue against lockdowns, has something like a 99.7% survival rate, right? If we want to play pendantics, the vaccine seems like the better bet by pure numbers.
Since we like to make fun of the "you're kiling grandma!" crowd from the left, here's a question - for young people the answer is pretty obvious we shouldn't really need to vaccinate, but for old people, is it worth the risk or not? Old people have something like a 97% survivability rate and the risk of "long term effects" is a bit less of an issue for them than it is for those of us in our 20s and 30s.
If you're not going to live another 20 years, no point in worrying what is 20 years down the line. If you're post-menopause, no point in worrying about sterility. Different treatments for different groups, as per their needs... Sounds crazy, right?
Hasn't over 7 million of those J&J vaccines were distributed?
0.000085% chance of getting a reaction to it?
It does sound like we need to figure out what caused it. Sounds like those who are more prone to getting blood clots are getting hurt by it, but yeah, this is the reason why I was hesitant to take the mRNA one - this thing is rushed. I'm more than happy to take all the other vaccines that are needed because they have 5-10 years worth of studies and proven efficacy to use them, but a EUA vaccine is definitely not something you should be in a rush to take ESPECIALLY if you're in a low risk group.
The younger you are, the less of necessity for you to be taking it.
Both the Astrazeneca vaccine and the J&J vaccine apparently cause these blood clots.
What will the mRNA Pfizer and Moderna vaccines cause? I guess we will only find out down the line after millions more take it.
What a fucking clown world.
It's possible they all will - COVID-19 itself is known to cause blood clots, so the fraction of the population vulnerable to this disorder might have already been dying of it and just been lost among the other COVID-19 blood clot deaths.
Possibly over a thousand people have died from the vaccine out of millions who have been vaccinated. Pro-vaxxers have been saying "well that's a tiny fraction of vaxxed people, so I'm playing those odds."
I therefore expect peoples' response to the FDA and CDC to be "They're overreacting; it was only six people!," but I'm not seeing that mentality anywhere in the vaccine-related chats at my job. Instead there's mostly silence but for a few people like "huh, that's not good."
Previous conventional vaccines ( on the same model as AstraZeneca and Johnson's ) against human coronaviruses had the charming habit of killing the test animals.
Including by catastrophic reaction if the animal was re-exposed to the virus several months after vaccination.
Now both widely-used conventional vaccines show very specific blood clot reaction a few days after vaccination.
This has the potential to be a catastrophe 100 times worse than the virus.
We will see for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines ; they use a different mechanism and aside from rare allergic reaction right after injection, didn't raise flags and are more effective too.
Ever see the final episode of Dinosaurs?
When you strip it right down, it's about a manufactured crisis caused a civilization to react by trying to "fix" it, only the fix made things worse, and then they tried to fix that ... and that's why there's only birds now.
yeah, I'm going to need to see extensive testing to prove that an mRNA gene therapy drug is safe and effective. My guess is that it is wide-scale R&D work to up their game in mRNA therapies and this was a convienient excuse to test on the general public. Irrational fear is a wonderful thing.
Ya, that is why I'm sitting this vaccine out until full FDA testing is complete at least. I'm not high risk of death and the all the high risk people I do know and see in person are getting the vaccine.
The virus has a 99.7% survivability rate. With proper diet (vitamins and minerals) why would you even consider a man made gene manipulation injection?
How did humanity survive many millennia before this?
That remains me of a cartoon I once saw of two cavemen sitting around. One says:
"I don't get it. All our food is organic. We don't use any plastic or toxic chemicals. No drugs. We get exercise every day. And our life expectancy is still 35!"
There was a lot of awful shit in the premodern era, from plagues, to famines, diseases or body issues with no treatment, etc. We have it easy today.
Covid would have been a "bad year" in the premodern era. Not a global meltdown like we have seen.
Oh, and the mentally ... slow ... were ... "given back to Nature."
Oh, THAT'S why they didn't have progressives....
Natural Selection - it isn't just for non-humans!
What is the survivability rate? I've seen 99.7% cited but I've also seen 99.98 or something cited as well.
Depends on your age group and comorbidities. An obese diabetic 100 year old is going to have a much lower survival rate than a healthy 15 year old.
I've seen both. I think the 99.7% is the overall survival/recovery rate.
I'm waiting for a generation of children born after the gene therapies were rolled out to reach adulthood. There's no need to take a risk with the stuff when there are no health benefits.
I heard they are going to "expedite"(rush) the full FDA approvals of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines and that somehow it will happen this year before the full report comes out.
The full FDA report is slated to come out only in the beginning of 2023.
If anyone wants the vaccine I think it would be best to wait until 2023.
Here is another source with more information for those who want it:
https://archive.is/dZxBR
Apparently 7 million people have already got the J&J shot in the U.S.
I know you're trying to make a point, but if the reaction numbers are as rare as they say they are, then that's a 0.00085% chance of dying from the vaccine.
COVID itself, stating numbers we often use to argue against lockdowns, has something like a 99.7% survival rate, right? If we want to play pendantics, the vaccine seems like the better bet by pure numbers.
Since we like to make fun of the "you're kiling grandma!" crowd from the left, here's a question - for young people the answer is pretty obvious we shouldn't really need to vaccinate, but for old people, is it worth the risk or not? Old people have something like a 97% survivability rate and the risk of "long term effects" is a bit less of an issue for them than it is for those of us in our 20s and 30s.
If you're not going to live another 20 years, no point in worrying what is 20 years down the line. If you're post-menopause, no point in worrying about sterility. Different treatments for different groups, as per their needs... Sounds crazy, right?
Hey man, I'm just doing a thought experiment. I agree with you. Vaccinate the vulnerable, but why tf we're vaccinating 18 year old kids is beyond me.
Looks like the Nanoparticles are doing more than attacking the Proteins from the Virus. https://phys.org/news/2019-04-tiny-robots-powered-magnetic-fields.html
Hasn't over 7 million of those J&J vaccines were distributed?
0.000085% chance of getting a reaction to it?
It does sound like we need to figure out what caused it. Sounds like those who are more prone to getting blood clots are getting hurt by it, but yeah, this is the reason why I was hesitant to take the mRNA one - this thing is rushed. I'm more than happy to take all the other vaccines that are needed because they have 5-10 years worth of studies and proven efficacy to use them, but a EUA vaccine is definitely not something you should be in a rush to take ESPECIALLY if you're in a low risk group.
The younger you are, the less of necessity for you to be taking it.