You know, I actually DON'T think black people when I think of predatory pedophiles. Is there some statistic there that I'm missing that would lead this person to say that?
Ever think that maybe you've been indoctrinated by media to associate pedophilia with white men? How many depictions of pedophilia in media are the same creepy looking stock white dude? Meanwhile, they literally rape babies in Africa, pedophile consanguinity is rampant in the middle east, pakastani grooming gangs are a UK staple, human trafficking of minors in America is a disproportionately black and Hispanic crime, and homosexuals fuck minors on a cultural level.
But just like you, when I think pedophile, I think of a creepy looking white dude.
She's one of those naïve "we can rehabilitate everyone" types. I can't disagree with her though because I dislike mandatory sentencing in general. Not all cases are equal. That's why sentencing exists in the first place.
Whether it is a good idea is a separate matter. Should the lives of people be in the hands of judges playing god based on very limited information, and guessing and speculating about the extent to which his unhappy childhood had an impact on his crime?
I say no.
Ironic because mandatory sentencing theoretically removes some potential for racial bias in sentencing by making sure no one receives undue leniency.
Not gonna work of course. The 'racial bias' they complain about is a difference in the commission of offenses. But since they can't fix that part, they just want to release people until the numbers are proportional.
Sentencing maximums are fine. Sentencing minimums are not
Seems to me to be two sides of the same coin. If judges having more discretion to play god is good, why should there be a sentencing maximum?
It's the big league version of "zero tolerance" policies in school. Kid brings a combat knife to school intending to stab someone: expelled. Mom put a butter knife in a kid's lunch bag: expelled.
No, I don't think so. Mens rea is clearly lacking in the second case, so the analogy is flawed from the beginning. There is good reason to establish a minimum for crimes such as child molestation. What good is there to making sure that judges can go easy on a pedophile because of his unhappy childhood? It's stupid.
Jury Sentencing is a thing in some places but judge playing god with limited information or jury playing god with limited information, a more emotional state, and minimal knowledge of precedent... I think the judge is probably the lesser problem.
Judges are an enormous problem, at least here in Europe. A maximum sentence can be 20 years, and the average sentence will be 1 year.
Strawman. The judge having discretion to play god is not what it is good. The capability to show leniency when the circumstances deserve it is good.
You like to cite fallacies, yet you engage in a big 'begging the question' here. I question that judges in an overworked court system have any ability at all to try to divine 'when the circumstances deserve it'. That is playing god, and they're really bad at it, with disastrous results for actual innocents who become the victims of their criminal-hugging.
Also, you don't seem to know what a strawman is. It follows logically from your argument, that judges having more discretion is good, that it would also be good for them to be able to be harsher. Why is it only good for them to be able to be more lenient?
To channel another poster for a moment. Imagine a vindictive woman accusing her ex-husband of child molestation with little evidence. Maybe he spanked the kid once or something, but she cries convincingly enough and the jury decides he's guilty of something. You think it's reasonable for that to jump straight to "life in prison" with no sentencing flexibility? That a scenario like that and a pedo abusing a kid with video evidence should play out the same way?
Here in Europe, judges determine guilt, not juries. It's clearly that your case should be overturned for lack of sufficient material evidence. If your legal system is convicting innocents, you have a bigger problem than sentencing lengths.
What I object to is a pedo with video evidence being let off with a lenient sentence, because a judge decides that he had an unhappy childhood. Judges should not have such powers.
Judges are an enormous problem, at least here in Europe.
In Australia too. Adrian Ernest Bayley was a serial rapist on parole when he raped and murdered Jill Meagher. The Victorian government's response was to suppress discussion of the government's role in allowing her to be murdered.
“If our justice system were fair, the prison population would reflect the country's population in terms of race and ethnicity,”
No, it would reflect the country's crime perpetration statistics. Also, funny she left-out the need for equal sexes representation in jail. I wonder why.
Also, this implies you guys just can't help it, like you are not intelligent enough to realise fucking a crying child is not okay.
And they claim WE are the racists.
I have told these people time and time again that I do not hold expectations for minorities that I do not hold for myself. How can I be racist when I am just as hard on myself?
Also, this implies you guys just can't help it, like you are not intelligent enough to realise fucking a crying child is not okay.
If you bring that up, then they just go back to their cultural relativism. Their culture says that screwing crying 9-year-olds is OK, so who are we to judge? And then if you say that this culture is not great, they'll call you a wacist anyway, because it's all they have.
How can I be racist when I am just as hard on myself?
Oh, you sweet summer child. You need to have lower standards for them benighted coloreds, like they do. Besides, you have personally oppressioned them because instead of welcoming their cultural enrichment and peaceful protests at the Battle of Mohacs, your ancestors resisted. It's in your DNA. That calls for compensation and reparations.
Cultural relativism is genuinely one of the most retarded things these fucks invented. They somehow find a way to screech and panic about my grandma making jam and white people having dogs, but they also make excuses for the Chinese stealing out your organs if you aren't commie'ing hard enough and Muslims fucking children.
Them Turkish only wanted to bring us good ethnic food, eh?
The duality of "all illegal migrants are lawyers, doctors and engineers", but all they will do is bring food. Do libs make engineers make them tacos? Isn't that rude?
They somehow find a way to screech and panic about my grandma making jam and white people having dogs, but they also make excuses for the Chinese stealing out your organs if you aren't commie'ing hard enough and Muslims fucking children.
It's not even consistent. Because cultural relativism prescribes that everything that a society finds acceptable is by definition good. So if they assert that the West loves racism, then racism is acceptable. Period. Yet they whine about it, as they can use it to increase their social status.
Them Turkish only wanted to bring us good ethnic food, eh?
And make your children into slaves, which - I'm not kidding - some academics actually defend.
The duality of "all illegal migrants are lawyers, doctors and engineers", but all they will do is bring food. Do libs make engineers make them tacos? Isn't that rude?
Here, I am taco-maker. In Turkey, I am secret agent astronaut engineer.
“If our justice system were fair, the prison population would reflect the country's population in terms of race and ethnicity,” Hannley later wrote on Facebook. “We all know that people of color are disproportionately imprisoned in this country.”
This would only be true if the population was culturally and economically homogeneous. If you've spent your entire life being told that a man who raped his nine year old child bride is the most awesome person in the world, it's unsurprising if you're more likely than most to join a child grooming gang.
The prison population is the fastest way to discredit intersectional feminism. Or at least it would be if any of these people were operating on logic or in good faith.
You know, I actually DON'T think black people when I think of predatory pedophiles. Is there some statistic there that I'm missing that would lead this person to say that?
Ever think that maybe you've been indoctrinated by media to associate pedophilia with white men? How many depictions of pedophilia in media are the same creepy looking stock white dude? Meanwhile, they literally rape babies in Africa, pedophile consanguinity is rampant in the middle east, pakastani grooming gangs are a UK staple, human trafficking of minors in America is a disproportionately black and Hispanic crime, and homosexuals fuck minors on a cultural level.
But just like you, when I think pedophile, I think of a creepy looking white dude.
Blacks are definitely over-represented as sex traffickers.
Whether it is a good idea is a separate matter. Should the lives of people be in the hands of judges playing god based on very limited information, and guessing and speculating about the extent to which his unhappy childhood had an impact on his crime?
I say no.
Not gonna work of course. The 'racial bias' they complain about is a difference in the commission of offenses. But since they can't fix that part, they just want to release people until the numbers are proportional.
Seems to me to be two sides of the same coin. If judges having more discretion to play god is good, why should there be a sentencing maximum?
No, I don't think so. Mens rea is clearly lacking in the second case, so the analogy is flawed from the beginning. There is good reason to establish a minimum for crimes such as child molestation. What good is there to making sure that judges can go easy on a pedophile because of his unhappy childhood? It's stupid.
Judges are an enormous problem, at least here in Europe. A maximum sentence can be 20 years, and the average sentence will be 1 year.
You like to cite fallacies, yet you engage in a big 'begging the question' here. I question that judges in an overworked court system have any ability at all to try to divine 'when the circumstances deserve it'. That is playing god, and they're really bad at it, with disastrous results for actual innocents who become the victims of their criminal-hugging.
Also, you don't seem to know what a strawman is. It follows logically from your argument, that judges having more discretion is good, that it would also be good for them to be able to be harsher. Why is it only good for them to be able to be more lenient?
Here in Europe, judges determine guilt, not juries. It's clearly that your case should be overturned for lack of sufficient material evidence. If your legal system is convicting innocents, you have a bigger problem than sentencing lengths.
What I object to is a pedo with video evidence being let off with a lenient sentence, because a judge decides that he had an unhappy childhood. Judges should not have such powers.
In Australia too. Adrian Ernest Bayley was a serial rapist on parole when he raped and murdered Jill Meagher. The Victorian government's response was to suppress discussion of the government's role in allowing her to be murdered.
Statutory rape is an every day occurrence in the black community.
As I've always said, feminism is no longer about women, but about their intersectionalist cult.
Blacks rank higher than women, so under their ideology, if a woman is raped by a man who happens to be black - that is no problem.
Hence Munich. Hence Rotherham.
We're talking about people who throw tantrums left and right, who are likely incapable of any sort of long-term thinking.
Not keeping our eyes on the ball is why we keep losing.
No, it would reflect the country's crime perpetration statistics. Also, funny she left-out the need for equal sexes representation in jail. I wonder why.
Thanks, whitey, for painting us all as pedophiles.
I know I'm Middle Eastern, but we're not all pedophiles. Just the prophet of the Muslims.
Also, this implies you guys just can't help it, like you are not intelligent enough to realise fucking a crying child is not okay.
And they claim WE are the racists.
I have told these people time and time again that I do not hold expectations for minorities that I do not hold for myself. How can I be racist when I am just as hard on myself?
If you bring that up, then they just go back to their cultural relativism. Their culture says that screwing crying 9-year-olds is OK, so who are we to judge? And then if you say that this culture is not great, they'll call you a wacist anyway, because it's all they have.
Oh, you sweet summer child. You need to have lower standards for them benighted coloreds, like they do. Besides, you have personally oppressioned them because instead of welcoming their cultural enrichment and peaceful protests at the Battle of Mohacs, your ancestors resisted. It's in your DNA. That calls for compensation and reparations.
Cultural relativism is genuinely one of the most retarded things these fucks invented. They somehow find a way to screech and panic about my grandma making jam and white people having dogs, but they also make excuses for the Chinese stealing out your organs if you aren't commie'ing hard enough and Muslims fucking children.
Them Turkish only wanted to bring us good ethnic food, eh?
The duality of "all illegal migrants are lawyers, doctors and engineers", but all they will do is bring food. Do libs make engineers make them tacos? Isn't that rude?
It's not even consistent. Because cultural relativism prescribes that everything that a society finds acceptable is by definition good. So if they assert that the West loves racism, then racism is acceptable. Period. Yet they whine about it, as they can use it to increase their social status.
And make your children into slaves, which - I'm not kidding - some academics actually defend.
Here, I am taco-maker. In Turkey, I am secret agent astronaut engineer.
This would only be true if the population was culturally and economically homogeneous. If you've spent your entire life being told that a man who raped his nine year old child bride is the most awesome person in the world, it's unsurprising if you're more likely than most to join a child grooming gang.
I'm sorry WHAT?
The prison population is the fastest way to discredit intersectional feminism. Or at least it would be if any of these people were operating on logic or in good faith.
That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.