A new third party would just make it so the Democrats can "win" elections without any election fraud.
Republican state legislatures in PA, MI, WI, GA, AZ need to first focus on election security reform and work rapidly to ensure that mail in fraud used to steal 2020 for the Democrats can never happen again.
As much as the GOP is full of these gutless RINO worms, populists need learn that the way to win is to kick out these worms and transform the party into a right wing populist party.
I think there are still too many of us that still (even still!) have yet to see enough to understand what's going on here.
The Republican party is not 1/2 of 2 separate political ideologies. The 2 party system is an illusion. The Republican party currently functions as a political safety net that catches enough people that are disgusted by the current direction the US is headed to keep them within the status quo. There is only 1 party with 2 heads.
Taking over the Republican party will not work. They are far more immune to reformation from within than it would appear, and I would guess this bait is on purpose.
Going 3rd party will not work. Most of the 3rd party candidates are grifters, and the system has been rigged to encourage duopoly.
The very noble image of our political process, of our individual votes counting and of the system functioning to serve the people that toil to allow it to exist, is no more than a corpse we need to find the willingness to let go of. You will not change the course of this nation through the political process that was honed over time to be this way.
This is part of why I keep saying Conservatism is not the solution. We need a movement willing to retake lost ground instead of following controlled opposition.
The question everyone reading this needs to ask themselves: are you willing to lose everything in the attempt to make a real change, regardless of success?
If the answer is "no", then don't even bother discussing what needs to be done to fix this shit. Close down any accounts you have on free speech boards, unsubscribe from any anti-woke YouTube channels, close your eyes to all of this shit, never look back, and pray that is enough to save you.
Edit: upon rereading, I realize my message might come off like I'm telling everyone here to fuck off. You have to understand that these very discussions are being seen as a danger to the establishment's power. We scoff at the ridiculous hyperbole of the "insurrection in DC", but the establishment is telling us how they view us all now. We are all traitors to the status quo.
That's my concern with a third party. I think it would end up something where the Dems get 40%, new party gets 35%, Republicans get 25%, and Dems win every time. There's not enough Democrat voters to be swayed to a third party to help anything. It's not like any of their platforms were a secret and a bunch of people support them anyway.
I remember reading last year that more than 50% of Americans identified as neither Republican nor Democrat. Which puts the un-partied as the largest portion of the the public.
The problem is with party money. What 3rd party candidate can raise a billion dollars to run for office?
I remember reading last year that more than 50% of Americans identified as neither Republican nor Democrat
They still vote on party lines, they just don't want their name officially listed. Almost every Republican I know doesn't identity themselves as such outside their voting habits.
What if everyone stops voting? It's hard to maintain legitimacy through consent of the governed when a landside is reported, but nobody knows anyone who bothered voting.
I don't know. Maybe effective, but should it be across the board? Maybe federal elections, but putting states and cities that are Republican controlled into the hands of Democrats as part of a boycott seems like it could go brutally wrong.
Other than being slightly slower to implement progressive policy, how are the republicucks different from the dims? Is the appearance of opposition desirable compared to salient power?
The Patriot Party was supposedly just a PAC created to primary RINOs.
MSM twisted that into a third party rumor.
They want Trump to start a third party so the left can "win" elections much easier.
Trump is smart enough to not fall for the MSM's ploy here.
Every single aspect of the Republican party is against you. They are a fundraising apparatus meant to enrich the careers of those who toe the line and do what they're told. It's not just the politicians. It's the staffers, the bureaucracy, the various organizations like Turning Point.
You CANNOT win.
What you propose to do is transform a system based entirely around grift into something that works for the people. You want tens of thousands of people to throw away lucrative careers where they do almost nothing.
I'd say form a 3rd party, but work with non-cucked Republicans, the base is never going to be represented anyway with that many cucks, and many many more wiling to replace them.
Vote for 3rd party or independent candidates at the local level where they have a much better chance of winning. For the federal level, primary as many neocons as possible.
A new third party would just make it so the Democrats can "win" elections without any election fraud.
Republican state legislatures in PA, MI, WI, GA, AZ need to first focus on election security reform and work rapidly to ensure that mail in fraud used to steal 2020 for the Democrats can never happen again.
As much as the GOP is full of these gutless RINO worms, populists need learn that the way to win is to kick out these worms and transform the party into a right wing populist party.
I think there are still too many of us that still (even still!) have yet to see enough to understand what's going on here.
The Republican party is not 1/2 of 2 separate political ideologies. The 2 party system is an illusion. The Republican party currently functions as a political safety net that catches enough people that are disgusted by the current direction the US is headed to keep them within the status quo. There is only 1 party with 2 heads.
Taking over the Republican party will not work. They are far more immune to reformation from within than it would appear, and I would guess this bait is on purpose.
Going 3rd party will not work. Most of the 3rd party candidates are grifters, and the system has been rigged to encourage duopoly.
The very noble image of our political process, of our individual votes counting and of the system functioning to serve the people that toil to allow it to exist, is no more than a corpse we need to find the willingness to let go of. You will not change the course of this nation through the political process that was honed over time to be this way.
This is part of why I keep saying Conservatism is not the solution. We need a movement willing to retake lost ground instead of following controlled opposition.
The question everyone reading this needs to ask themselves: are you willing to lose everything in the attempt to make a real change, regardless of success? If the answer is "no", then don't even bother discussing what needs to be done to fix this shit. Close down any accounts you have on free speech boards, unsubscribe from any anti-woke YouTube channels, close your eyes to all of this shit, never look back, and pray that is enough to save you.
Edit: upon rereading, I realize my message might come off like I'm telling everyone here to fuck off. You have to understand that these very discussions are being seen as a danger to the establishment's power. We scoff at the ridiculous hyperbole of the "insurrection in DC", but the establishment is telling us how they view us all now. We are all traitors to the status quo.
That's my concern with a third party. I think it would end up something where the Dems get 40%, new party gets 35%, Republicans get 25%, and Dems win every time. There's not enough Democrat voters to be swayed to a third party to help anything. It's not like any of their platforms were a secret and a bunch of people support them anyway.
I remember reading last year that more than 50% of Americans identified as neither Republican nor Democrat. Which puts the un-partied as the largest portion of the the public.
The problem is with party money. What 3rd party candidate can raise a billion dollars to run for office?
Trump
Something tells me these are communists.
They still vote on party lines, they just don't want their name officially listed. Almost every Republican I know doesn't identity themselves as such outside their voting habits.
What if everyone stops voting? It's hard to maintain legitimacy through consent of the governed when a landside is reported, but nobody knows anyone who bothered voting.
I don't know. Maybe effective, but should it be across the board? Maybe federal elections, but putting states and cities that are Republican controlled into the hands of Democrats as part of a boycott seems like it could go brutally wrong.
Other than being slightly slower to implement progressive policy, how are the republicucks different from the dims? Is the appearance of opposition desirable compared to salient power?
The Patriot Party was supposedly just a PAC created to primary RINOs. MSM twisted that into a third party rumor. They want Trump to start a third party so the left can "win" elections much easier. Trump is smart enough to not fall for the MSM's ploy here.
Yes, the only way we could have a third party that was a serious contender would be if we switched to ranked voting or range voting.
You cannot bring the dead back to life.
Every single aspect of the Republican party is against you. They are a fundraising apparatus meant to enrich the careers of those who toe the line and do what they're told. It's not just the politicians. It's the staffers, the bureaucracy, the various organizations like Turning Point.
You CANNOT win.
What you propose to do is transform a system based entirely around grift into something that works for the people. You want tens of thousands of people to throw away lucrative careers where they do almost nothing.
The Republican party must die.
What is your proposed solution then?
It is very easy to simply say something will just not work out
Burn the whole system to the ground.
Create a third party and draw all individual financing away from the Republican party.
Field ultra-nationalist candidates and attack the other parties as traitors who are beholden to monied, internationalist interests.
Consolidate physical power and when eventually the system makes change impossible force it through the occupation of Washington.
It takes merely 10% of the population to take concentrated effort and the cause is won.
Full disclosure, I do not believe in democracy. Why should a retarded foreigner have the same theoretical power as a generational genius?
They don't in a democracy and you know it.
The "generational genius" controls what info the "retarded foreigner" sees and effectively controls their vote.
They do not, under any pretense of reality, have the same power.
Precisely.
We have no hope to enact true change in the system they've set up for themselves.
The only real option is to break all their toys, form a new society, and lock them out of it.
That is an underestimate by 116 on the hill alone. All republicucks are problems until proven otherwise. Rand Paul is the closest to earning mercy.
I wholeheartedly support primarying every single current Republican senator along with the RINO worms in the House.
Rand Paul is principled but on some issues he is a huge cuck yet despite all this he sadly is still the best Republican senator currently.
I'd say form a 3rd party, but work with non-cucked Republicans, the base is never going to be represented anyway with that many cucks, and many many more wiling to replace them.
Vote for 3rd party or independent candidates at the local level where they have a much better chance of winning. For the federal level, primary as many neocons as possible.
I said the first thing is to somehow push election security reform in states that had fraud occur.
If you can't stop fraud from happening, then yes obviously voting wouldn't matter.