The only thing that won't "age well" about punching a journalist in Mass Effect is the nonsensical idea that journalism and news networks will still be a thing 150 years from now. They're already obsolete.
Actually, the first Mass Effect did show a fair bit during the sex scene, including some butt shots of female characters, so you at least got to see something. It was probably the most risque thing in a mainstream game at the time. But I hate romances in RPGs too, especially the way Bioware did them, and how romances pretty much took over everything about their design philosophies.
The First one got them national coverage on the media with full outrage. While that clearly helped them with marketing, it was obvious how much they cut back because of it.
Neither one is human so it's kind of gross to touch either, you know. It's one thing to be friends with all kinds of people, but you don't have to go jumping into bed with everything you meet just because it can talk the human monkey jibberjabber ....
And just because something looks kind of human, doesn't mean it is. That's where Roddenberry and all his ilk are moronic meatheads with their ridiculous Spocks and robot rights nonsense.
Does it though? Games never focused on this aspect until recent, I did not even know you could romance or ignored romances in older games, Dragon Age Origins or Fable. I still do not know if Oblivion had romances. First Mass Effect game I did not romance the blue chick ( Liara?). Did Diablo have romances? Even Pillars of Eternity did not have romances, fortunately.
Would Diablo 3 sell better if it had gay romance options? Pillars of Eternity 2 had romances and I doubt it sell better then the first? I did not buy it after someone said something on the line: "why can't I take a boat trip without someone trying to butt fuck me"
In fact, they didn't even really have "dialogue options" except for being able to pick between "gossip" and something quest-related. That's it.
It's not that I have good memory, but I still play both of them from time to time (that's what Beelzebub and Meridian XL are for. They both kind of change the gameplay somewhat, I think, but at least these mods make these old things still playable. They also add QoL features like a stash in D1. No more dumping your gold next to the drunk.)
BG2 had it, although it was not until my second or maybe even third playthrough that I found out the devs had a thing for elven booty.
I do not remember BG1 having romances, did they add them in the enhanced version?
Same here, honestly. They were so dumb they parodied them in Saints Row 4, where you could fuck every character, including the robot, by pressing one button next to them.
Bioware's most lasting legacy is the needless injection of retarded romance mechanics into otherwise good RPGs. The people who obsess over this bullshit are a plague on the hobby, and Bioware played the lead role in creating and nourishing this demo of "gamers".
Other games had romances but Bioware made it interesting. I liked how BG2 went about it. You had a series of dialogue and if you were not interested you would remain friends and the romance ended before it started. Now is more like we have nothing in common, we've barely talked and we've known each other for a day but want to fuck?
I agree with the first point, Paragon and Renegade was a great idea but I always felt that the devs pushed for Paragon and the third game was the worst in this.
As for not enough gay romance, I will stick with the trilogy I already own.
I can kind of guess what Bioware were going with this but in execution it didn't turn out so well. Some mods have tried to fix this with Renegade Shepard sacrificing aliens to put humans first while Paragon is we're all in this together but again, story wise it doesn't turn out so good.
Works better in Dawn of the Reapers mod for Sins:Rebellion anyway.
Repetitive Romance Structure.
Can see you're grasping for straws. What would have been good is a Lair of the Shadow Broker sized DLC where you get to bring different characters through and spend time with them. Like acting as bait at an amusement park before it gets hijacked by Cerberus or something. Kind of what Citadel was but too little to late.
The Gay.
So, glossing over the fact that Liara is an option for Femshep in 1, there's not enough of it for you. One look at nexusmods shows otherwise, as gay mods for Femshep and Ashley and Kaiden and Male shep exist for Me1, and continuing that through ME2 and 3. How? Unused dialog files that Bioware scrapped but kept in the game data.
There are assorted gay mods for ME2 and 3 as well, so you're argument is invalid.
I also want to point out Liara again because I can't say no to that big blue ass.
Punching a Reporter
I've had enough of your snide insinuations HIT
I've had enough of your discourteus assertions. HIT
I've had enough of you prolonging this joke because this person was looking for 5 points and came up with 3 max. HIT
The Ending
How Mass Effect: Legendary Edition will be received is, ultimately, up to the fans.
Considering that the Happy Ending mod exists, considering I do a yearly play-through of ME with that enabled since 2015, considering that Fans basincally saved and redeemed ME3 by adding much needed fluff and missions through mods, I'd say legendary is gonna flop if they don't change that ending.
We'll see.
A small detail that I can use to gauge if it's good, a canary in the coalmine so to speak, is if they change the Asari from a mono-gender to whatever culture-approved gender is in fashion this week. If they change it so that Asari arn't all biologically female and go through the "Maiden, Matron, Matriarch" steps of their lives, then I'll know it's not worth my time. If they also change it, it'll line up with what they were trying to push with Andromeda and that is definitely out.
Honestly, the biggest problem is removing the Virmire Survivor in ME2. Even if you played MShep romancing Ashley, it fucks you over.
And most of the characters they added in ME2 were garbage. I would argue that even when they were well-written, they were still unnecessary, and just watered down the development of existing characters.
Obviously, this is a huge impact to gay players, though, as Kaidan is all we get.
Bioware actually had the technical ability to please everyone. When they did, we gave then tens of millions of dollars.
There downfall was when they turned to hate and exclusion of normal people. Not when they included minorities or weirdos, etc. It's a GAME. There's nothing wrong with a game pandering. Nothing.
It's when they started pumping out gross propaganda, and shoveling in diversity hires, that they died.
Games went from being able to romance a few characters and focus on the story to hey lets romance any characters, also lets stop with building a bit of chemistry and jump right to hey lets fuck. BG3 does this as well.
My modern tastes would have Paragon shep punch the journalist and renegade Shep bribe her to remove a political antagonist.
Journalist punching simulator should be a thing.
https://i.imgur.com/ZLzKPUN.png1
The only thing that won't "age well" about punching a journalist in Mass Effect is the nonsensical idea that journalism and news networks will still be a thing 150 years from now. They're already obsolete.
I would prefer if there were no romance options, it was a stupid feature and remains so.
What kind of feminist doesnt want freaky alien sex like captain Kirk
You don't even see anything. It fades to black. The whole feature is just pointless.
It's just controversy bait, because apparently that sells games now.
Actually, the first Mass Effect did show a fair bit during the sex scene, including some butt shots of female characters, so you at least got to see something. It was probably the most risque thing in a mainstream game at the time. But I hate romances in RPGs too, especially the way Bioware did them, and how romances pretty much took over everything about their design philosophies.
The First one got them national coverage on the media with full outrage. While that clearly helped them with marketing, it was obvious how much they cut back because of it.
I would love for someone to describe romancing an Asari as "dehumanizing" them.
That looks like a mutant human.
What if aliens didn't look so pretty?
You know that wouldn't stop some people.
Neither one is human so it's kind of gross to touch either, you know. It's one thing to be friends with all kinds of people, but you don't have to go jumping into bed with everything you meet just because it can talk the human monkey jibberjabber ....
And just because something looks kind of human, doesn't mean it is. That's where Roddenberry and all his ilk are moronic meatheads with their ridiculous Spocks and robot rights nonsense.
Math checks out, lads.
Does it though? Games never focused on this aspect until recent, I did not even know you could romance or ignored romances in older games, Dragon Age Origins or Fable. I still do not know if Oblivion had romances. First Mass Effect game I did not romance the blue chick ( Liara?). Did Diablo have romances? Even Pillars of Eternity did not have romances, fortunately.
Would Diablo 3 sell better if it had gay romance options? Pillars of Eternity 2 had romances and I doubt it sell better then the first? I did not buy it after someone said something on the line: "why can't I take a boat trip without someone trying to butt fuck me"
The first two Diablos sure didn't.
In fact, they didn't even really have "dialogue options" except for being able to pick between "gossip" and something quest-related. That's it.
It's not that I have good memory, but I still play both of them from time to time (that's what Beelzebub and Meridian XL are for. They both kind of change the gameplay somewhat, I think, but at least these mods make these old things still playable. They also add QoL features like a stash in D1. No more dumping your gold next to the drunk.)
BG2 had it, although it was not until my second or maybe even third playthrough that I found out the devs had a thing for elven booty. I do not remember BG1 having romances, did they add them in the enhanced version?
To this day, I don't even know what genre the Mass Effect series is. The only thing I've ever heard about it from day 1 is the romance options.
Same here, honestly. They were so dumb they parodied them in Saints Row 4, where you could fuck every character, including the robot, by pressing one button next to them.
You can punch a journalist? Where do I sign up?
Bioware's most lasting legacy is the needless injection of retarded romance mechanics into otherwise good RPGs. The people who obsess over this bullshit are a plague on the hobby, and Bioware played the lead role in creating and nourishing this demo of "gamers".
Other games had romances but Bioware made it interesting. I liked how BG2 went about it. You had a series of dialogue and if you were not interested you would remain friends and the romance ended before it started. Now is more like we have nothing in common, we've barely talked and we've known each other for a day but want to fuck?
I agree with the first point, Paragon and Renegade was a great idea but I always felt that the devs pushed for Paragon and the third game was the worst in this. As for not enough gay romance, I will stick with the trilogy I already own.
It always felt like Paragon with a handful of "necessary" Renegade choices at times was the most optimal way to do anything.
I know this, because I did the opposite and was Renegade with the rare Paragon for manipulation/decency purposes and it was always the worst shit.
I can kind of guess what Bioware were going with this but in execution it didn't turn out so well. Some mods have tried to fix this with Renegade Shepard sacrificing aliens to put humans first while Paragon is we're all in this together but again, story wise it doesn't turn out so good.
Works better in Dawn of the Reapers mod for Sins:Rebellion anyway.
Can see you're grasping for straws. What would have been good is a Lair of the Shadow Broker sized DLC where you get to bring different characters through and spend time with them. Like acting as bait at an amusement park before it gets hijacked by Cerberus or something. Kind of what Citadel was but too little to late.
So, glossing over the fact that Liara is an option for Femshep in 1, there's not enough of it for you. One look at nexusmods shows otherwise, as gay mods for Femshep and Ashley and Kaiden and Male shep exist for Me1, and continuing that through ME2 and 3. How? Unused dialog files that Bioware scrapped but kept in the game data. There are assorted gay mods for ME2 and 3 as well, so you're argument is invalid.
I also want to point out Liara again because I can't say no to that big blue ass.
I've had enough of your snide insinuations HIT
I've had enough of your discourteus assertions. HIT
I've had enough of you prolonging this joke because this person was looking for 5 points and came up with 3 max. HIT
Considering that the Happy Ending mod exists, considering I do a yearly play-through of ME with that enabled since 2015, considering that Fans basincally saved and redeemed ME3 by adding much needed fluff and missions through mods, I'd say legendary is gonna flop if they don't change that ending.
We'll see. A small detail that I can use to gauge if it's good, a canary in the coalmine so to speak, is if they change the Asari from a mono-gender to whatever culture-approved gender is in fashion this week. If they change it so that Asari arn't all biologically female and go through the "Maiden, Matron, Matriarch" steps of their lives, then I'll know it's not worth my time. If they also change it, it'll line up with what they were trying to push with Andromeda and that is definitely out.
Honestly, the biggest problem is removing the Virmire Survivor in ME2. Even if you played MShep romancing Ashley, it fucks you over.
And most of the characters they added in ME2 were garbage. I would argue that even when they were well-written, they were still unnecessary, and just watered down the development of existing characters.
Obviously, this is a huge impact to gay players, though, as Kaidan is all we get.
Bioware actually had the technical ability to please everyone. When they did, we gave then tens of millions of dollars.
There downfall was when they turned to hate and exclusion of normal people. Not when they included minorities or weirdos, etc. It's a GAME. There's nothing wrong with a game pandering. Nothing.
It's when they started pumping out gross propaganda, and shoveling in diversity hires, that they died.
all journalists deserve to be punched.
Whenever you hear these idiots say something hasn’t aged well it’s usually stuff that 99% of people see as normal or have no problem with.
It was the perfect amount of gay romance, because you could go homo if you tried with a very large amount of characters and be friends otherwise.
It wasn't Dragon Age were the sheer act of not treating them like shit made them try to gayjump you. Only Liara did that.
I'm actually looking forward to the hot takes where they pretend that that scene in ME1 left them literally shaking.