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I’m not getting my hopes up. Can anyone tell me if I should be optimistic about his chances? I mean I think this election was fishy for sure.
I think PA has a good chance of turning to Trump in the courts. They have statutes on when ballots have to be in by and judges can't change the law from the bench. But he's still going to need Georgia (which is in recount now) and then AZ, MI, or WI. I believe WI has a similar statute in place. AZ is going to come down to the wire, but I'm not sure he's going to narrow things down to trigger a recount. At least not automatically.
The other avenue open is if there is enough legal challenges in the air and states can't certify elections by the middle of December the selection of the president goes to the House as per Constitution and selected by State delegations which Republicans have a major of and could select Trump for another term.
The interesting thing is McConnell's position after meeting with Barr yesterday and coming out and saying they are going to fight along with Gramham and others. If those two are saying fight, there's likely something there there. Else they wouldn't risk blowback in future elections. They both are pretty swampy when it comes down to it.
But with as many races being flipped due to glitches in places like MI and statistical anomalies that even Real Clear Politics are reporting on now there's enough to warrant oversight by the courts. Now can they find the right judges to agree is another matter. But they'll rush things through the courts and SCOTUS can always issue a stay to keep states from certifying results.
Now if it goes to the House and Trump gets his second term all hell is going to break loose. The last time we came this close was 1960 when it was clear there was similar bullshit with JFK, but Nixon conceded "for the good of the country". This time it's different. You have 70 million Americans who are pissed and 50 Million of them who think this shit stinks. And these are NOT your parent's Republicans who would rather turn the other cheek, take the L, and "gosh darnit, better luck next time". Many of the people supporting Trump are blue collar, spent time in Unions and know how to do things like strike because that's how they've been taught to "fight the man". Only "the man" in the form of big corporations are now aligned with the democrats. And these men know how and will be willing to actually fight back in many ways. A truckers strike of just a few days would bring things to a halt.
If Trump supporters actual start coming out in the tens of thousands and take to the streets to protest over this I think a lot of things change very quickly. Whether they will or not...protesting isn't something that has been on the Republican's playbook out side of the right to life people and some limited success on the 2A side. But again, these aren't your parent's republicans either.
At some point Reps have to realize they don't have the big city party machinery like the Dems do, and if they allow this fraud to happen it's only a matter of time before the cannon is fired at them.
This isn't some city-level thing: this was a multi-city, multi-state operation in coordination with the Post Office. Sure it was sloppy, but it's the first time they've tried something of this magnitude; and they'll get better at it.
Agreed - though mine is an outside perspective, if this isn't at least pursued to the point where the scale and the scope of the fraud is identified I can't see any way for the US to reasonably claim "free and fair" elections going forward.
If the 2020 elections go down in the books as ones where everybody is confident of widespread fraud but it got dropped "for the good of the country" then who's to say the next one won't be run similarly, now with the benefit of a precedent for accepting fraud?
I am a bit scared of what the leftist mob will do and have all the media including Fox declare him an illegitimate president. But I'm willing to live with that rather then with Kamala and the socialist party in power.
They'll destroy their own cities and the local politicians will let them.
Fuck em
This is what i hate, and a podcaster i listen to and love enough to throw 5 bucks a month his way (hey, i'm a poorfag) for extra episodes hates both, is deep into conspiracy theories but thinks biden will "take the foot off of the gas" but he also thinks trump pulling this off would be the absolute funniest shit ever.
I'm just not buying it. "for the good of the country" You let them get away with this and they are going to cement it and much worse, like capitulating to the mob is going to make them happy, these people are never happy.
I think Trump is ready to fight this to the bitter end, and ConInc is even starting to line up behind him. It's just a matter of having the right people in the right places to push things along because there are paths to victory through all three branches. The republicucks need the will to actually use the power they have. I look forward to Executive Order 13957. Purge, baby purge.
Smart move purging parts of the Pentagon ahead of time. Trump seems to know what he's doing, even if the Republican establishment has to be dragged kicking and screaming into victory.
Obama played the same game, pushing out every general officer he felt he couldn't 100% control. It's part of the role of commander-in-chief and part recognition of the influence the military wing of the military-industrial-congressional complex wields.
Difference is that I don't think Trump can 100% control any agency in the way that Obama is aiming for.
The military doesn't need to be controlled. In its natural state, it is fairly conservative; the propaganda machine that drives recruitment into America's martial class is primarily grounded in the sanitized legends of its founding - the same one which is a unifying pillar of the right wing in general.
Not sure what you mean by that. The 'martial class' isn't even supposed to be a thing. At the same time the actual founding of the military are all in the form of militias.
Military service runs in families, primarily in the working class and rural population. You're far more likely to meet a veteran who can list half a dozen family members who've served than one who says they're the first.
There may not be a formal caste system, but they're always drawing from the same pool of 'God, Guns, and George Washington' types.
Before the election, there was a sudden uptick in interest in the penalties for election fraud in the three states the Democrats committed election fraud in. If Trump can get a court order/warrant for Google to disclose who made those searches, it will lead him straight to the criminals responsible.
That argument would be a lie, because you don't search for the penalties for election fraud if you're looking for good electoral practices. It would be like a doctor looking up the penalty for murder and claiming he wanted to make sure he performed heart surgery well.
And in any case, I'm only suggesting that this evidence be used to identify the criminals so that they can be subject to a more in-depth investigation.
Fraud is not malpractice, it is deliberate, malicious wrongdoing.
Of course it was fishy, I can smell it from all the way over here - but being (reasonably) optimistic is just a generally good, healthy mindset, or so I'm told.
The elites will steal the election.