If police approach a suspect and they have a hidden weapon (gun or knife) they put themselves in danger of getting hurt before they know the suspect has it. If someone is under suspicion there should be no problem with them following the standard instructions that are designed to keep everyone safe.
Don't know why the cop shot. Maybe he saw the suspect reaching for a gun. Maybe the suspect told him "I'm gonna get my gun". Who knows. What's definite is that riots were guaranteed to start before the full facts were revealed. This has been true for a while but in this climate just up it by a factor of fifty.
but the way you put it makes it impossible to every apprehend anyone
Not at all. But the way he put it makes it clear how vital it is for a functional justice system that people obey the instructions of officers, not only for the officer's safety, but for the suspect's safety as well. These shootings are only going to get more and more common as more and more cops fear for their lives, and more and more suspects feel brave enough to openly defy their instructions.
You can talk all day about how cops should be better trained, not as trigger happy, or you can agitate for the abolishment of all police, or even go full anarchist, whatever, it hardly matters what angle you come at this from. When a gun is pointed at you, all that shit flies out the window, and your primary concern should shift immediately to staying alive. When dealing with police in the US, you stay alive by following their instructions, no matter if you are guilty or innocent of whatever crime the suspect you of.
I didn't mean every interaction, more specifically situations like this where the person seems to be under suspicion of being involved in something dangerous. Typically they'll be told to kneel or lie down, interlace their hands or take other steps to show that they are not a threat. Officers then approach them and pat them down or cuff them till they know whats what. There's always risk but if someone isn't following first instructions the possibility of things going sideways go up exponentially. Every case is different though and we still have little idea what was actually going down here. Hopefully they move quick with releasing the bodycam (not the rioters are likely to care either way).
So a guy is non-complaint even with guns pointed at him, and he thinks he can just walk to his car (which could have a gun in it) and get inside?
Dude was either a fucking meth head or guy a long, violent criminal history. I guarantee it. Normal people don't respond to cops pointing guns at them in that menner.
Guy had a record of violence and they had a warrant for his arrest, they should have tackled him before he got to the car but I'm not going to lose any sleep over some dirt bag getting perforated
Every fucking time. Every single fucking time. It’s always the fucking criminals that pull this shit and get to become the next martyr. Because the fucking news decides to run with the race war angle and push tensions further, because fuck the actual innocent people who get gunned down by the police, can’t use them in the propaganda machine.
When I saw this story pop up on BBC news, I wondered whether the dude was a criminal or whether it was a genuine accidental shooting of an innocent. It’s getting to the point where I’m just going to stop fucking wondering and just assume that if the news mentions a police-on-black shooting, that the guy is a fucking criminal.
The arrest from pulling the gun was from five years ago. During that arrest he also reportedly refused to comply with orders from cops with guns drawn until he was subdued by the police dog. Archive here.
The other things you link aren't priors. They are complaints stemming from a single incident for which a warrant was issued. They are clearly charges stemming from a domestic argument, likely with the mother of some of his kids.
The South is far more integrated than the North. We in the South had it forced on us. For the North, segregation might as well still be enforced with law, because in most respects you'd never be able to tell the difference.
That's thanks to Obama. His admin weaponized section 8 housing to destroy small conservative towns all over the country. If you didn't let them build section 8 (aka crime hubs) in your town or neighborhood, you were denied all kinds of funding (aka your own tax dollars).
We had a literal fucking communist in the White House for eight years.
You'd think that would be prime protest/riot territory but, as far as I know, nothing has really gone down there.
Its hard to get worse than the general living conditions of the area. New Orleans is already a crime riddled shithole with numerous streets on the level of Rio de Janeiro.
Which means the Antifa LARPers are too scared to go into a real "warzone." The cops already are known for their necessary zero-tolerance aggression (and are very black as well, painting a bad picture), and the whites are used to dealing with the violence in their own way and wouldn't completely roll over to it.
We of Louisiana learned to live in a strained mutual state long ago, and all this does is increase tensions, but not cause as much outbreak.
The old Atlanta Mayor threatened people with an ass whoopin if they rioted, stating something to the tune of "we dont do that here". They called the black mayor racist...
The current mayor allows it to happen until it leaves the bad area in southwest atlanta.
The blacks sold their farms and moved up North for good paying factory jobs. And then Bill signed NAFTA and favored trade status with China. From there the blacks in the North quickly and I mean quickly sunk into poverty. All the issues we are seeing with the blacks today in the North is due to the Democrats and Republicans selling US jobs to China and Mexico.
Short of bringing factory jobs by papa Trump (which he has been doing very well at), blacks in the North are truly fucked. If blacks can get 2 to 3 generations of factory work you'll see a turn around, otherwise its going to be more and more shit like this and we might as well expect a legitimate race war that the left wants so badly.
There are almost no affluent or even middle/working class blacks in Minnesota and Wisconsin. The vast majority are poor or very poor, and they account for a wildly disproportionate amount of crime and violence. Subsequently, almost every interaction between cops and black people in Minnesota/Wisconsin is extremely negative.
I think it's more like black people of means and/or ability almost never choose to live in cold climates. The ones who do stay in northern states are largely there to soak up benefits. Middle class blacks live in Atlanta and Miami.
northern cold and gloom has played a part in the trouble of blacks
You mean that a people who evolved specific traits to deal with baking heat and sun constantly might have some adverse effects in a place without either?
That istance was minor, only the Wendy’s got burned. The fire was also started by his mistress. For Fentanyl Floyd, a riot broke out that caused 15-20 million dollars in damage.
What a clusterfuck.
It can go either way quite easily as to whether or not lethal force was required in this case from what I've seen.
But, please, let me be explicitly clear. This, more than anything else, is a result of the criminal refusing to follow even the most simplistic of directions that were given to him from the officers. I wouldn't say he deserved to die, because I truly do believe life is a very precious thing that we've been gifted with, but I fail to see what he was expecting to happen.
He outright ignored their commands, and walked around to the driver side and tried to grab something inside his car. All while they had their guns aimed at him and yelling for him to stop. He seemingly didn't give a shit, and wanted to act tough in front of his hood rat friends.
I've heard people say they should have tazed or pepper sprayed, and if it were an option, I would agree, but after watching the video it seems it wasn't. It all happened rather quickly, but I don't see how people were expecting the officers to put their guns in the holster, secure it, remove a different method of control from their belts and then use it.
This could have all been avoided had the dude who was shot not acted like a fucking asshole and just listened. To me, everything after is a direct result of that.
You want black lives to matter? Teach them some common sense and simple courtesy; literally almost all of their problems would vanish with the police if they did.
Now innocent people are going to have to suffer from looting, arson, violence, and stupidity because one guy wanted to pretend he was tough.
It doesn't matter if it's justified or not. From now on every time police use force against a black person, a city will burn. This will continue until it is made to stop.
The only way it will stop is when the mainstream media no longer openly support, advocate, and make excuses for it. Once it's no longer normalized as an acceptable response it will stop.
We can also say with a high amount of certainty that it will end after the election if Biden wins. The Democrats and Biden are using these people as useful idiots in order to attempt to make Trump look bad and gain votes from minority groups. If they accomplish their goal and he gets elected President then the Democrats will put an end to this shit almost immediately in order to make the claim that it was all because a Republican was in office. In addition, since they would have achieved their main goal they would no longer have a use for these protests riots and won't allow them to be used as ammo against them.
It won't stop if Biden wins: it will be put on pause while any police chiefs or officers on the ground who aren't on-board with being defunded or standing around while antifa destroys cities either are pushed out or retire and replaced with people who don't have a problem with these things.
Then if by some miracle we elect Trump 2.0 at some later date (which if Trump doesn't win I don't know how that would be possible, but let's say for the sake of argument), the burning starts up again with even stronger institutional support the next go-around.
Again, if you cannot follow the simplest instructions that a dog is expected to understand and obey, how much of a "person" are you, really ... how are you not just an ape. The word "person" has nothing to do with species membership, no matter how much the human supremacists want it to.
If that was any other species acting like that, it would have been shot, too. Fuck that ignorant nigger.
Let's be very clear here. This has zero to do with the cops or being angry over black people getting shot at this point. This is happening because black people are naturally violent and enjoy rioting, and they know that no one is going to stop them.
I see no meaningful distinction between black people and whites that have been indoctrinated into behaving like them on their behalf. I frankly don't even consider them white at this point.
They never follow simple, clear, repeated instructions. From what we can see on the video he could've reached in and grabbed a fucking MAC-10.
That being said I'd like more details before making a judgement, unlike all these bloodthirsty BLM clowns.
If police approach a suspect and they have a hidden weapon (gun or knife) they put themselves in danger of getting hurt before they know the suspect has it. If someone is under suspicion there should be no problem with them following the standard instructions that are designed to keep everyone safe.
Don't know why the cop shot. Maybe he saw the suspect reaching for a gun. Maybe the suspect told him "I'm gonna get my gun". Who knows. What's definite is that riots were guaranteed to start before the full facts were revealed. This has been true for a while but in this climate just up it by a factor of fifty.
Not at all. But the way he put it makes it clear how vital it is for a functional justice system that people obey the instructions of officers, not only for the officer's safety, but for the suspect's safety as well. These shootings are only going to get more and more common as more and more cops fear for their lives, and more and more suspects feel brave enough to openly defy their instructions.
You can talk all day about how cops should be better trained, not as trigger happy, or you can agitate for the abolishment of all police, or even go full anarchist, whatever, it hardly matters what angle you come at this from. When a gun is pointed at you, all that shit flies out the window, and your primary concern should shift immediately to staying alive. When dealing with police in the US, you stay alive by following their instructions, no matter if you are guilty or innocent of whatever crime the suspect you of.
I didn't mean every interaction, more specifically situations like this where the person seems to be under suspicion of being involved in something dangerous. Typically they'll be told to kneel or lie down, interlace their hands or take other steps to show that they are not a threat. Officers then approach them and pat them down or cuff them till they know whats what. There's always risk but if someone isn't following first instructions the possibility of things going sideways go up exponentially. Every case is different though and we still have little idea what was actually going down here. Hopefully they move quick with releasing the bodycam (not the rioters are likely to care either way).
So a guy is non-complaint even with guns pointed at him, and he thinks he can just walk to his car (which could have a gun in it) and get inside?
Dude was either a fucking meth head or guy a long, violent criminal history. I guarantee it. Normal people don't respond to cops pointing guns at them in that menner.
Guy had a record of violence and they had a warrant for his arrest, they should have tackled him before he got to the car but I'm not going to lose any sleep over some dirt bag getting perforated
Dindu nuffin
Christ, i'm glad the only shit we've got down here is those two hurricanes looking to tag team our ass.
Every fucking time. Every single fucking time. It’s always the fucking criminals that pull this shit and get to become the next martyr. Because the fucking news decides to run with the race war angle and push tensions further, because fuck the actual innocent people who get gunned down by the police, can’t use them in the propaganda machine.
When I saw this story pop up on BBC news, I wondered whether the dude was a criminal or whether it was a genuine accidental shooting of an innocent. It’s getting to the point where I’m just going to stop fucking wondering and just assume that if the news mentions a police-on-black shooting, that the guy is a fucking criminal.
Yeah, but he was a good boy, going to church, turning his life around. Ignore his criminal record and poor choices
The arrest from pulling the gun was from five years ago. During that arrest he also reportedly refused to comply with orders from cops with guns drawn until he was subdued by the police dog. Archive here.
The other things you link aren't priors. They are complaints stemming from a single incident for which a warrant was issued. They are clearly charges stemming from a domestic argument, likely with the mother of some of his kids.
Cue the "silence is consent" signals from a while back.
The South is far more integrated than the North. We in the South had it forced on us. For the North, segregation might as well still be enforced with law, because in most respects you'd never be able to tell the difference.
Thank you for summing up what I was about to say.
The South is just used to having to live together.
Look at New Orleans, for example. You'd think that would be prime protest/riot territory but, as far as I know, nothing has really gone down there.
Also, when I first saw this footage I was wondering why the hell is there even (what appears to be) project housing in a medium sized Wisconsin town.
That's thanks to Obama. His admin weaponized section 8 housing to destroy small conservative towns all over the country. If you didn't let them build section 8 (aka crime hubs) in your town or neighborhood, you were denied all kinds of funding (aka your own tax dollars).
We had a literal fucking communist in the White House for eight years.
Its hard to get worse than the general living conditions of the area. New Orleans is already a crime riddled shithole with numerous streets on the level of Rio de Janeiro.
Which means the Antifa LARPers are too scared to go into a real "warzone." The cops already are known for their necessary zero-tolerance aggression (and are very black as well, painting a bad picture), and the whites are used to dealing with the violence in their own way and wouldn't completely roll over to it.
We of Louisiana learned to live in a strained mutual state long ago, and all this does is increase tensions, but not cause as much outbreak.
The old Atlanta Mayor threatened people with an ass whoopin if they rioted, stating something to the tune of "we dont do that here". They called the black mayor racist...
The current mayor allows it to happen until it leaves the bad area in southwest atlanta.
The blacks sold their farms and moved up North for good paying factory jobs. And then Bill signed NAFTA and favored trade status with China. From there the blacks in the North quickly and I mean quickly sunk into poverty. All the issues we are seeing with the blacks today in the North is due to the Democrats and Republicans selling US jobs to China and Mexico.
Short of bringing factory jobs by papa Trump (which he has been doing very well at), blacks in the North are truly fucked. If blacks can get 2 to 3 generations of factory work you'll see a turn around, otherwise its going to be more and more shit like this and we might as well expect a legitimate race war that the left wants so badly.
There are almost no affluent or even middle/working class blacks in Minnesota and Wisconsin. The vast majority are poor or very poor, and they account for a wildly disproportionate amount of crime and violence. Subsequently, almost every interaction between cops and black people in Minnesota/Wisconsin is extremely negative.
I think it's more like black people of means and/or ability almost never choose to live in cold climates. The ones who do stay in northern states are largely there to soak up benefits. Middle class blacks live in Atlanta and Miami.
You mean that a people who evolved specific traits to deal with baking heat and sun constantly might have some adverse effects in a place without either?
Magical!
I wonder if there's any studies on the psychological effects of longterm vit d deficiency as it relates to anti social behaviour
There was that one incident where that Atlanta father-of-the-year was passed out in a Wendy's drive-thru on his daughter's birthday.
That istance was minor, only the Wendy’s got burned. The fire was also started by his mistress. For Fentanyl Floyd, a riot broke out that caused 15-20 million dollars in damage.
The governor requested half a BILLION dollars to fix shit.
And she was Denied. hehehe
What a clusterfuck.
It can go either way quite easily as to whether or not lethal force was required in this case from what I've seen.
But, please, let me be explicitly clear. This, more than anything else, is a result of the criminal refusing to follow even the most simplistic of directions that were given to him from the officers. I wouldn't say he deserved to die, because I truly do believe life is a very precious thing that we've been gifted with, but I fail to see what he was expecting to happen.
He outright ignored their commands, and walked around to the driver side and tried to grab something inside his car. All while they had their guns aimed at him and yelling for him to stop. He seemingly didn't give a shit, and wanted to act tough in front of his hood rat friends.
I've heard people say they should have tazed or pepper sprayed, and if it were an option, I would agree, but after watching the video it seems it wasn't. It all happened rather quickly, but I don't see how people were expecting the officers to put their guns in the holster, secure it, remove a different method of control from their belts and then use it.
This could have all been avoided had the dude who was shot not acted like a fucking asshole and just listened. To me, everything after is a direct result of that.
You want black lives to matter? Teach them some common sense and simple courtesy; literally almost all of their problems would vanish with the police if they did.
Now innocent people are going to have to suffer from looting, arson, violence, and stupidity because one guy wanted to pretend he was tough.
bad goy!
It doesn't matter if it's justified or not. From now on every time police use force against a black person, a city will burn. This will continue until it is made to stop.
The only way it will stop is when the mainstream media no longer openly support, advocate, and make excuses for it. Once it's no longer normalized as an acceptable response it will stop.
We can also say with a high amount of certainty that it will end after the election if Biden wins. The Democrats and Biden are using these people as useful idiots in order to attempt to make Trump look bad and gain votes from minority groups. If they accomplish their goal and he gets elected President then the Democrats will put an end to this shit almost immediately in order to make the claim that it was all because a Republican was in office. In addition, since they would have achieved their main goal they would no longer have a use for these
protestsriots and won't allow them to be used as ammo against them.It won't stop if Biden wins: it will be put on pause while any police chiefs or officers on the ground who aren't on-board with being defunded or standing around while antifa destroys cities either are pushed out or retire and replaced with people who don't have a problem with these things.
Then if by some miracle we elect Trump 2.0 at some later date (which if Trump doesn't win I don't know how that would be possible, but let's say for the sake of argument), the burning starts up again with even stronger institutional support the next go-around.
Again, if you cannot follow the simplest instructions that a dog is expected to understand and obey, how much of a "person" are you, really ... how are you not just an ape. The word "person" has nothing to do with species membership, no matter how much the human supremacists want it to.
If that was any other species acting like that, it would have been shot, too. Fuck that ignorant nigger.
Oh look, it's the same thing that always happens.
Cop: "Stop! Hands up!"
"Victim": reaches into pants/car/drawer as though to get a weapon
Cop: BANG!
"Victim": "I...din...du...nuffin..."
Forgive me for not wanting to jump to any conclusions. Unfortunately we have to listen to the usual morons about this case
Somebody in the zerohedge comments posted this link to a Kenosha livestream - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz5ujTFonzY
Scuttlebutt has it that he grabbed a knife, but the investigation's just started.
Let's be very clear here. This has zero to do with the cops or being angry over black people getting shot at this point. This is happening because black people are naturally violent and enjoy rioting, and they know that no one is going to stop them.
The majority of protestors are white.
I see no meaningful distinction between black people and whites that have been indoctrinated into behaving like them on their behalf. I frankly don't even consider them white at this point.
so long as its nig nogs killing nig nogs couldnt give a shit