This is not possible. Fines are not transferrable like that.
They could potentially try and get a judgment and then award themselves some bullshit monetary award, and then try to enforce the judgment in the US, but that's a long shot. International law is extremely complex and costly. If the US say "no thank you" to their judgment (and why wouldn't they? Those countries don't even have the same laws), there isn't much the Uk can do. This "judgment" will accrue interest until the end of time (or until it lapses). There is not much the Uk can do, if anything at all.
Their only hope is that the US somehow recognizes their foreign judgment. But this is a 10-15 year process.
If you don't believe me, go look at the trial against Saudi Arabia for 9/11. Yes, that 9/11.
Yes, really. 25 years later and the trial STILL hasn't started................................................
.... let's not even consider all the appeal, etc.
That's assuming the UK even has a case here. Did the actions happen in the UK or in the US? 4chat is hosted in the US from what I remmeber. Truth is you don't have to follow another country's laws anyway.
Uk will argue the website was available there and they should follow UK law. 4chat will argue they never did business in the UK. What can the UK do?
So yeah, I'd give the UK less than 0.1% chance of ever getting somewhere here.
Right, You seem to have an idea about this kind of stuff so please indulge me.
What would happen if international laws or geopolitical events lead to some form of union between UK and US, not unlike EU (unlikely as it may be). Maybe I'm being too cynical but would it not open the gate for outstanding debt collection and this silly lawsuit is being set up with that in mind?
I used to teach it (high school level) so I know a little bit, 9/11 was one of those stories we studied in details. Does it make sense to sue someone 24 years after the events (maybe of the saudis that backed the terrorists are dead... Do you sue the country? Can you sue their succession, people who inherited from them? etc etc many question)
Maybe I'm being too cynical but would it not open the gate for outstanding debt collection and this silly lawsuit is being set up with that in mind?
Debt collection is really a joke. If someone owes you money, there isn't much you can do, EVEN if that person is in the same state as you.
You can apply to garnish his wages -> you need to know where he works, and he can just quit.
You can apply to seize his goods -> there is a limit that is exempt, this is costly, you need to pay upfront (thousands), it's a long and lengthy process in court, and there' no guarantee you get paid in the end.
You can force him to show up to court to reveal his assets -> he can lie, not show up, sell his stuff, or just tell the judge an appeal is ongoing, which will create delays/roadblocks/costs.
He can also obviously just go bankrupt.
The fact of the matter is that unless the person has clear, seizable assets, pursuing a debt, even a high one, is rarely worth it. A friend of mine bought a house that had hidden defects. He bought the house for $350k and it's going to cost $200k to fix it. He's already spent over $70k on "expert report", "court fees," "legal fees and so on, and the trial hasn't even began. Even if he wins, he's probably not getting that 70k (nor the cost of the trial, which is going to be minimum $80k. A good estimate is 10k a day, this is a 8 days trial).
That's assuming he even wins. Judges are trained to assume everyone lies, so he might split it in two and just give him 100k.
Now, add in international zones to that deal.
You need to show that a judgment in the UK is valid in the US. You need to find, chase and begin procedures against the person/company. This is a 5 years minimum process JUST to finally step in a courtroom. Of course, if the company defends itself, your lawsuit is at a risk of being dismissed at any time. Might one court date, misfile one document, and your case might be thrown out.
But let's assume the UK goes all the way. They will be spending millions to essentially chase what amounts to a fine for a violation to an UK law. 4chan could argue it violated no US law, and it would win.
But let's assume there is a massive union between US and UK; they agree, for whatever reason, to share and agree on everything. Then the US has to pass the same laws as the UK, essentially. But for 4chan, it would only become a "crime" the moment the law is passed in the US.
And again, this is a 5+ years process of saying "we didn't violate any law blah blah blah" and 4chan would need to get sued by the DOJ or something, and it would most likely end up like Apple with his eBooks scandal scam: some huge fine and it would be closed.
I doubt the US would share the fine with the UK... After all, they violated US laws, not UK.
I don't see a scenario where the UK gets a penny, really. They could maybe seize assets in the UK if 4chan had any, they could put international pressure (economic sanctions) but... UK is a small, not that relevant country at this point. Even if they threatened to ban every US tech company, it would mostly harm their economy (see: Napoleon's economic blockade of England, which ruined him, not England)
So TLDR, there isn't much the UK can do, and they know it. As an american, you can mail them a letter saying "fuck your immigrants" and there is nothing they can really do about it.
(They could in theory send a team of spies/mercenaries to kidnap you, like Israel did to nazis who escaped to Argentina, but... lol)
(Putin had one of this top, top opponment killed, poisoned, right in the UK, and the UK did... nothing. Nothing at all.)
TLDR: It's already super difficult to collect a debt in the US, even with a US-UK deal, even in the most utopic scenarios, the "fine" would go to the US and not UK (4chat would settle ala "us banks laundered drug kingpin moneys" style).
This is how it is most of the time; there's very little collection agencies can do to collect debts for instance, except scaring you into submission.
"But but but they can ruin my credit report" if a collection agency is involved, your credit is already ruined. Dropping from 425 to 415 won't change anything; in fact, paying the collection agency often makes it worse (resets timer)
Don't cut off access or cuck to them, just leave everything online and watch them angrily thrash in their cuck cages. Let them write bigger and bigger fines, and watch as they go unpaid.
Don't they also fine them for not having presence in the UK where the ofcom can send their fine letter and legal letters to
I'd like to see them come to US and try to collect the fine.
This is not possible. Fines are not transferrable like that.
They could potentially try and get a judgment and then award themselves some bullshit monetary award, and then try to enforce the judgment in the US, but that's a long shot. International law is extremely complex and costly. If the US say "no thank you" to their judgment (and why wouldn't they? Those countries don't even have the same laws), there isn't much the Uk can do. This "judgment" will accrue interest until the end of time (or until it lapses). There is not much the Uk can do, if anything at all.
Their only hope is that the US somehow recognizes their foreign judgment. But this is a 10-15 year process.
If you don't believe me, go look at the trial against Saudi Arabia for 9/11. Yes, that 9/11.
This was the most recent update I could find:
https://abcnews.com/US/federal-judge-allows-families-911-victims-sue-saudi/story?id=125075883#:~:text=The%20judge%20denied%20Saudi%20Arabia's,20%2Dyear%2Dold%20lawsuit.&text=4%3A34%20PM-,Federal%20judge%20allows%20families%20of%209%2F11%20victims%20to%20sue,a%2020%2Dyear%20legal%20suit.
Yes, really. 25 years later and the trial STILL hasn't started................................................
.... let's not even consider all the appeal, etc.
That's assuming the UK even has a case here. Did the actions happen in the UK or in the US? 4chat is hosted in the US from what I remmeber. Truth is you don't have to follow another country's laws anyway.
Uk will argue the website was available there and they should follow UK law. 4chat will argue they never did business in the UK. What can the UK do?
So yeah, I'd give the UK less than 0.1% chance of ever getting somewhere here.
Right, You seem to have an idea about this kind of stuff so please indulge me. What would happen if international laws or geopolitical events lead to some form of union between UK and US, not unlike EU (unlikely as it may be). Maybe I'm being too cynical but would it not open the gate for outstanding debt collection and this silly lawsuit is being set up with that in mind?
I used to teach it (high school level) so I know a little bit, 9/11 was one of those stories we studied in details. Does it make sense to sue someone 24 years after the events (maybe of the saudis that backed the terrorists are dead... Do you sue the country? Can you sue their succession, people who inherited from them? etc etc many question)
Debt collection is really a joke. If someone owes you money, there isn't much you can do, EVEN if that person is in the same state as you.
You can apply to garnish his wages -> you need to know where he works, and he can just quit.
You can apply to seize his goods -> there is a limit that is exempt, this is costly, you need to pay upfront (thousands), it's a long and lengthy process in court, and there' no guarantee you get paid in the end.
You can force him to show up to court to reveal his assets -> he can lie, not show up, sell his stuff, or just tell the judge an appeal is ongoing, which will create delays/roadblocks/costs.
He can also obviously just go bankrupt.
The fact of the matter is that unless the person has clear, seizable assets, pursuing a debt, even a high one, is rarely worth it. A friend of mine bought a house that had hidden defects. He bought the house for $350k and it's going to cost $200k to fix it. He's already spent over $70k on "expert report", "court fees," "legal fees and so on, and the trial hasn't even began. Even if he wins, he's probably not getting that 70k (nor the cost of the trial, which is going to be minimum $80k. A good estimate is 10k a day, this is a 8 days trial).
That's assuming he even wins. Judges are trained to assume everyone lies, so he might split it in two and just give him 100k.
Now, add in international zones to that deal.
You need to show that a judgment in the UK is valid in the US. You need to find, chase and begin procedures against the person/company. This is a 5 years minimum process JUST to finally step in a courtroom. Of course, if the company defends itself, your lawsuit is at a risk of being dismissed at any time. Might one court date, misfile one document, and your case might be thrown out.
But let's assume the UK goes all the way. They will be spending millions to essentially chase what amounts to a fine for a violation to an UK law. 4chan could argue it violated no US law, and it would win.
But let's assume there is a massive union between US and UK; they agree, for whatever reason, to share and agree on everything. Then the US has to pass the same laws as the UK, essentially. But for 4chan, it would only become a "crime" the moment the law is passed in the US.
And again, this is a 5+ years process of saying "we didn't violate any law blah blah blah" and 4chan would need to get sued by the DOJ or something, and it would most likely end up like Apple with his eBooks scandal scam: some huge fine and it would be closed.
I doubt the US would share the fine with the UK... After all, they violated US laws, not UK.
I don't see a scenario where the UK gets a penny, really. They could maybe seize assets in the UK if 4chan had any, they could put international pressure (economic sanctions) but... UK is a small, not that relevant country at this point. Even if they threatened to ban every US tech company, it would mostly harm their economy (see: Napoleon's economic blockade of England, which ruined him, not England)
So TLDR, there isn't much the UK can do, and they know it. As an american, you can mail them a letter saying "fuck your immigrants" and there is nothing they can really do about it.
(They could in theory send a team of spies/mercenaries to kidnap you, like Israel did to nazis who escaped to Argentina, but... lol)
(Putin had one of this top, top opponment killed, poisoned, right in the UK, and the UK did... nothing. Nothing at all.)
TLDR: It's already super difficult to collect a debt in the US, even with a US-UK deal, even in the most utopic scenarios, the "fine" would go to the US and not UK (4chat would settle ala "us banks laundered drug kingpin moneys" style).
Thank you for your exhaustive answer. I see it now as a waste of beurocracy to put up a tough front in order to intimidate anyone guillable enough.
This is how it is most of the time; there's very little collection agencies can do to collect debts for instance, except scaring you into submission.
"But but but they can ruin my credit report" if a collection agency is involved, your credit is already ruined. Dropping from 425 to 415 won't change anything; in fact, paying the collection agency often makes it worse (resets timer)
The next democrat regime will 100% extradite them though.
If they want to violate the constitution, sure.
Then it's a 100% certainty.
This is the way.
Don't cut off access or cuck to them, just leave everything online and watch them angrily thrash in their cuck cages. Let them write bigger and bigger fines, and watch as they go unpaid.
"6,000,000 pounds? That comes to 0.01 US$. Exchange rates shifting wild, you know. Please pay the fee for foreign remittance. 40$ up front."
Just dontt pay it and ignore them. Who gives a shit what the UK thinks
at this rate the whole internet will disconnect from the UK and it will become another Indian scam state
It will become another indian/muslim scam state one way or another.
Remove the banks HQ there and it's done for. UK has nothing. Even in WW2, they couldn't produce enough food for their own citizens....
This is months old. I saw what 4chan's lawyer wrote in response, and it was pretty funny. Much longer version of "get fucked."
This guy is 4-chan’s lawyer. It’s still ongoing. They keep increasing the fine.
If we had a real country, we'd have Maduro'd the UK by now
They seriously named their ministry of truth after an online stripping service?
come try and collect i fucking dare you
4chan ignored them last time, they will just continue to ignore them.
fagChan should just fine them back. Whatever.
Or in other words, Epstein's stooges sue Epstein's stooge over hurt feefees.