Of course. Maduro was just the figurehead of the Venezuelan oligarchy who actually controls Venezuela. He was never the one calling the shots.
But hey Syria is also led by a literal Al Qaeda/ISIS terrorist who got invited to the White House. And that one South American president who was also a drug smuggler got pardoned by Trump.
Definitely feels believable that Maduro was only kidnapped because he danced on television instead of cowering like a faggot after Trump threatened him.
More likely, this is just nonsense just like the claims about Maduro. And such allegations have a way of disappearing when it's no longer convenient, like the $25 million bounty on Syrian "president" Jolani's head.
Delcy Rodriguez's brother Jorge used to be Venezuela's Vice President. Before that, he was a behind-the-scenes power broker in the Chavez administration, including a stint as the President of the National Electoral Council, during which time he was in a long-term romantic relationship with the sister of Raul José Anzola. Anzola was one of the founders of a company called Smartmatic, which manufactures voting machines and programs vote tallying software. Thanks to Rodriguez, they had an exclusive contract with the Chavez government in the 2000s that meant their voting machines were the ones that were used to tally votes in two consecutive Presidential elections that Chavez "won" in landslide results.
Anzola later died in a plane crash in 2008, three years after Smartmatic branched out into the United States and bought Sequoia Voting Systems. Alarm bells were raised in Washington about foreign ownership of a major US voting machine firm, and Smartmatic were forced to "sell" Sequoia in 2007, but when another US company tried to buy Sequoia in 2008, around the time of Anzola's death, it was discovered that Sequoia was still using software in their voting machines that was owned and administered by Smartmatic. Those voting machines were actively being used to count votes in US elections.
Guess which company did end up acquiring Sequoia? I'll give you a hint. It rhymes with Dominion.
She was made President because Maduro made her his Vice President. If she was aware of, or in any way involved in Venezuelan tampering with US elections, you can bet Maduro was too.
So let me get this clear: you think Venezuela, a country that cannot even protect its own leader, was stealing elections in the most militarized national security state in human history that spies on every single human being on the planet.
And somehow, their machines only stole the election in 2020, but failed to do it in 2024.
Sounds legit.
It's no wonder that it's so easy to manufacture consent for new wars of aggression. People will believe literally anything.
Funny thing is, even Sidney Powell said that no reasonable person would believe what she said. Imagine believing claims when the woman making them says "surely, no one could be stupid enough to believe THIS crap"?
All I said was that there's evidence that software used by a Venezuelan company with connections to the regime, whose machines were almost certainly used to rig elections in Venezuela, was also present in American voting machines. I'm not alleging that Venezuela is solely responsible for rigging the 2020 election, or even that they had any hand in it at all. I am saying that it looks like members of the Venezuelan regime at least tangentially participated in tampering with previous US elections, to one extent or another.
All you said was your summary of an 'article' from a rando who followed Sidney Powell... the woman who said "this is not libel because no one could be stupid enough to actually believe it".
I am saying that it looks like members of the Venezuelan regime at least tangentially participated in tampering with previous US elections
So you did say with a straight face that the most militarized, spying superpower in human history got its elections 'tampered with' by a country that couldn't even guard its own president.
So how come they only decided to steal it in 2020 and not 2024? You really haven't thought this through, have you?
So how come they only decided to steal it in 2020 and not 2024?
If you actually bothered to read what I wrote above, you will see that I already addressed this straw man.
The US, just like every other consequential country that has even a semblance of free and fair elections is a target of low-level election manipulation efforts from hostile foreign powers. No rational person would even attempt to deny, for example, that China, which is a key ally and benefactor of the Venezuelan regime, has routinely attempted to manipulate American elections in their favor to one degree or another. The extent to which these efforts are even successful is irrelevant: the attempt itself makes those efforts a threat to American national security.
However, just as with your flippant dismissal of the overwhelming evidence that Venezuela was being used as a drug trafficking route into the United States, you refuse to accept any evidence at all that the Venezuelan regime posed an immediate and ongoing national security threat to the US, because your disproportionate, totally irrational anger at Trump's decision to decapitate that regime can only be justified if you continue to insist on believing that he did so without any provocation whatsoever.
So there's no point in continuing to discuss this with you.
No rational person would even attempt to deny...that China...has routinely attempted to manipulate American elections in their favor
Give a few examples.
It's funny how you went completely silent as Trump started to threaten Iran... again. A while back, you were assuring me "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, BIG WIN!!!!!!" Turns out, you can be wrong about many countries simultaneously.
The extent to which these efforts are even successful is irrelevant: the attempt itself makes those efforts a threat to American national security.
It's irrelevant. Someone even thinking the thought is a THREAT to national security! Believe me, folks.
However, just as with your flippant dismissal of the overwhelming evidence that Venezuela was being used as a drug trafficking route
FYI: repeatedly claiming something with no evidence doesn't make the evidence overwhelming.
your disproportionate, totally irrational anger at Trump's decision to decapitate that regime can only be justified if you continue to insist on believing that he did so without any provocation whatsoever.
It's as if you've never opened a history book in your life. You do know that the US has actually interfered in the elections of many other countries, right?
So there's no point in continuing to discuss this with you.
Someone realized that he'd be asked to back up some of his preposterous claims, so decided to pre-emptively run away with his tail between his legs. Run away, little fella. It's what you do best.
Lol well you'd have to first find me saying it's bad without caveats. The only time I think it's bad is if the US doesn't capitalize and take resources for the US. I'm perfectly fine with pseudo colonialism or outright colonialism
That maybe the case but that nothing to do with what I said. I'm in favor of foreign military action including regime change if it actually benefits the US. I do not support nation building unless that nation becomes a colony or territory of the US so I do believe in colonialism. I do not believe in the globalist pipe dream where we sing kumbaya and work under the idea where the US plays world police for a fictional global government
Trump keeps running distractions to get his cult to personality exited and forget about the constant failures of his administration to drain the swamp.
Note that this is the former Vice President, not the leader of the opposition. You could argue that the decapitation strike was insufficient based on this result, but you cannot argue that it was bad.
Whoops, I guess Venezuela will keep smuggling cocaine. Whoopsie!
Of course. Maduro was just the figurehead of the Venezuelan oligarchy who actually controls Venezuela. He was never the one calling the shots.
But hey Syria is also led by a literal Al Qaeda/ISIS terrorist who got invited to the White House. And that one South American president who was also a drug smuggler got pardoned by Trump.
Definitely feels believable that Maduro was only kidnapped because he danced on television instead of cowering like a faggot after Trump threatened him.
These actions will definitely not set up forever wars in 10-15 years...
More likely, this is just nonsense just like the claims about Maduro. And such allegations have a way of disappearing when it's no longer convenient, like the $25 million bounty on Syrian "president" Jolani's head.
Here's a rabbit hole for you.
Delcy Rodriguez's brother Jorge used to be Venezuela's Vice President. Before that, he was a behind-the-scenes power broker in the Chavez administration, including a stint as the President of the National Electoral Council, during which time he was in a long-term romantic relationship with the sister of Raul José Anzola. Anzola was one of the founders of a company called Smartmatic, which manufactures voting machines and programs vote tallying software. Thanks to Rodriguez, they had an exclusive contract with the Chavez government in the 2000s that meant their voting machines were the ones that were used to tally votes in two consecutive Presidential elections that Chavez "won" in landslide results.
Anzola later died in a plane crash in 2008, three years after Smartmatic branched out into the United States and bought Sequoia Voting Systems. Alarm bells were raised in Washington about foreign ownership of a major US voting machine firm, and Smartmatic were forced to "sell" Sequoia in 2007, but when another US company tried to buy Sequoia in 2008, around the time of Anzola's death, it was discovered that Sequoia was still using software in their voting machines that was owned and administered by Smartmatic. Those voting machines were actively being used to count votes in US elections.
Guess which company did end up acquiring Sequoia? I'll give you a hint. It rhymes with Dominion.
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Great, I'm even more glad that Delcy Rodriguez runs Venezuela now
Electronic voting machines are such a pointless CIA power grab
She was made President because Maduro made her his Vice President. If she was aware of, or in any way involved in Venezuelan tampering with US elections, you can bet Maduro was too.
So let me get this clear: you think Venezuela, a country that cannot even protect its own leader, was stealing elections in the most militarized national security state in human history that spies on every single human being on the planet.
And somehow, their machines only stole the election in 2020, but failed to do it in 2024.
Sounds legit.
It's no wonder that it's so easy to manufacture consent for new wars of aggression. People will believe literally anything.
EDIT: A while back, I mocked you by saying that you probably believe Sidney Powell. Little did I know. You're citing a guy who thinks she should have been made special counsel and takes her claims about 'whistleblowers' at face value.
Funny thing is, even Sidney Powell said that no reasonable person would believe what she said. Imagine believing claims when the woman making them says "surely, no one could be stupid enough to believe THIS crap"?
All I said was that there's evidence that software used by a Venezuelan company with connections to the regime, whose machines were almost certainly used to rig elections in Venezuela, was also present in American voting machines. I'm not alleging that Venezuela is solely responsible for rigging the 2020 election, or even that they had any hand in it at all. I am saying that it looks like members of the Venezuelan regime at least tangentially participated in tampering with previous US elections, to one extent or another.
All you said was your summary of an 'article' from a rando who followed Sidney Powell... the woman who said "this is not libel because no one could be stupid enough to actually believe it".
So you did say with a straight face that the most militarized, spying superpower in human history got its elections 'tampered with' by a country that couldn't even guard its own president.
So how come they only decided to steal it in 2020 and not 2024? You really haven't thought this through, have you?
If you actually bothered to read what I wrote above, you will see that I already addressed this straw man.
The US, just like every other consequential country that has even a semblance of free and fair elections is a target of low-level election manipulation efforts from hostile foreign powers. No rational person would even attempt to deny, for example, that China, which is a key ally and benefactor of the Venezuelan regime, has routinely attempted to manipulate American elections in their favor to one degree or another. The extent to which these efforts are even successful is irrelevant: the attempt itself makes those efforts a threat to American national security.
However, just as with your flippant dismissal of the overwhelming evidence that Venezuela was being used as a drug trafficking route into the United States, you refuse to accept any evidence at all that the Venezuelan regime posed an immediate and ongoing national security threat to the US, because your disproportionate, totally irrational anger at Trump's decision to decapitate that regime can only be justified if you continue to insist on believing that he did so without any provocation whatsoever.
So there's no point in continuing to discuss this with you.
Give a few examples.
It's funny how you went completely silent as Trump started to threaten Iran... again. A while back, you were assuring me "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, BIG WIN!!!!!!" Turns out, you can be wrong about many countries simultaneously.
It's irrelevant. Someone even thinking the thought is a THREAT to national security! Believe me, folks.
FYI: repeatedly claiming something with no evidence doesn't make the evidence overwhelming.
It's as if you've never opened a history book in your life. You do know that the US has actually interfered in the elections of many other countries, right?
Someone realized that he'd be asked to back up some of his preposterous claims, so decided to pre-emptively run away with his tail between his legs. Run away, little fella. It's what you do best.
So, are we admitting that Venezuela is a Narco state?
No Trump bad
Regime change good when Trump does it.
Lol well you'd have to first find me saying it's bad without caveats. The only time I think it's bad is if the US doesn't capitalize and take resources for the US. I'm perfectly fine with pseudo colonialism or outright colonialism
You never even pretended to oppose neoconism? The rats are returning to the sinking ship.
Nothing I said is neoconism 🤣. You clearly do not know what a neocon is
People distance themselves from the label, but not the substance. Mark Levin is wearing MAGA as a skinsuit.
That maybe the case but that nothing to do with what I said. I'm in favor of foreign military action including regime change if it actually benefits the US. I do not support nation building unless that nation becomes a colony or territory of the US so I do believe in colonialism. I do not believe in the globalist pipe dream where we sing kumbaya and work under the idea where the US plays world police for a fictional global government
Trump keeps running distractions to get his cult to personality exited and forget about the constant failures of his administration to drain the swamp.
Note that this is the former Vice President, not the leader of the opposition. You could argue that the decapitation strike was insufficient based on this result, but you cannot argue that it was bad.
What premise are you arguing from? That Trump knew his intervention wouldn't change cocaine smuggling, but did it anyway?
I was simply clarifying that this woman isn't the one people might have been thinking of.
Let’s go get him!
🚁🚁🚁🚁🚁🚁🔫
It's a her, but yeah sure lol