So let me get this clear: you think Venezuela, a country that cannot even protect its own leader, was stealing elections in the most militarized national security state in human history that spies on every single human being on the planet.
And somehow, their machines only stole the election in 2020, but failed to do it in 2024.
Sounds legit.
It's no wonder that it's so easy to manufacture consent for new wars of aggression. People will believe literally anything.
Funny thing is, even Sidney Powell said that no reasonable person would believe what she said. Imagine believing claims when the woman making them says "surely, no one could be stupid enough to believe THIS crap"?
All I said was that there's evidence that software used by a Venezuelan company with connections to the regime, whose machines were almost certainly used to rig elections in Venezuela, was also present in American voting machines. I'm not alleging that Venezuela is solely responsible for rigging the 2020 election, or even that they had any hand in it at all. I am saying that it looks like members of the Venezuelan regime at least tangentially participated in tampering with previous US elections, to one extent or another.
All you said was your summary of an 'article' from a rando who followed Sidney Powell... the woman who said "this is not libel because no one could be stupid enough to actually believe it".
I am saying that it looks like members of the Venezuelan regime at least tangentially participated in tampering with previous US elections
So you did say with a straight face that the most militarized, spying superpower in human history got its elections 'tampered with' by a country that couldn't even guard its own president.
So how come they only decided to steal it in 2020 and not 2024? You really haven't thought this through, have you?
So how come they only decided to steal it in 2020 and not 2024?
If you actually bothered to read what I wrote above, you will see that I already addressed this straw man.
The US, just like every other consequential country that has even a semblance of free and fair elections is a target of low-level election manipulation efforts from hostile foreign powers. No rational person would even attempt to deny, for example, that China, which is a key ally and benefactor of the Venezuelan regime, has routinely attempted to manipulate American elections in their favor to one degree or another. The extent to which these efforts are even successful is irrelevant: the attempt itself makes those efforts a threat to American national security.
However, just as with your flippant dismissal of the overwhelming evidence that Venezuela was being used as a drug trafficking route into the United States, you refuse to accept any evidence at all that the Venezuelan regime posed an immediate and ongoing national security threat to the US, because your disproportionate, totally irrational anger at Trump's decision to decapitate that regime can only be justified if you continue to insist on believing that he did so without any provocation whatsoever.
So there's no point in continuing to discuss this with you.
No rational person would even attempt to deny...that China...has routinely attempted to manipulate American elections in their favor
Give a few examples.
It's funny how you went completely silent as Trump started to threaten Iran... again. A while back, you were assuring me "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, BIG WIN!!!!!!" Turns out, you can be wrong about many countries simultaneously.
The extent to which these efforts are even successful is irrelevant: the attempt itself makes those efforts a threat to American national security.
It's irrelevant. Someone even thinking the thought is a THREAT to national security! Believe me, folks.
However, just as with your flippant dismissal of the overwhelming evidence that Venezuela was being used as a drug trafficking route
FYI: repeatedly claiming something with no evidence doesn't make the evidence overwhelming.
your disproportionate, totally irrational anger at Trump's decision to decapitate that regime can only be justified if you continue to insist on believing that he did so without any provocation whatsoever.
It's as if you've never opened a history book in your life. You do know that the US has actually interfered in the elections of many other countries, right?
So there's no point in continuing to discuss this with you.
Someone realized that he'd be asked to back up some of his preposterous claims, so decided to pre-emptively run away with his tail between his legs. Run away, little fella. It's what you do best.
So let me get this clear: you think Venezuela, a country that cannot even protect its own leader, was stealing elections in the most militarized national security state in human history that spies on every single human being on the planet.
And somehow, their machines only stole the election in 2020, but failed to do it in 2024.
Sounds legit.
It's no wonder that it's so easy to manufacture consent for new wars of aggression. People will believe literally anything.
EDIT: A while back, I mocked you by saying that you probably believe Sidney Powell. Little did I know. You're citing a guy who thinks she should have been made special counsel and takes her claims about 'whistleblowers' at face value.
Funny thing is, even Sidney Powell said that no reasonable person would believe what she said. Imagine believing claims when the woman making them says "surely, no one could be stupid enough to believe THIS crap"?
All I said was that there's evidence that software used by a Venezuelan company with connections to the regime, whose machines were almost certainly used to rig elections in Venezuela, was also present in American voting machines. I'm not alleging that Venezuela is solely responsible for rigging the 2020 election, or even that they had any hand in it at all. I am saying that it looks like members of the Venezuelan regime at least tangentially participated in tampering with previous US elections, to one extent or another.
All you said was your summary of an 'article' from a rando who followed Sidney Powell... the woman who said "this is not libel because no one could be stupid enough to actually believe it".
So you did say with a straight face that the most militarized, spying superpower in human history got its elections 'tampered with' by a country that couldn't even guard its own president.
So how come they only decided to steal it in 2020 and not 2024? You really haven't thought this through, have you?
If you actually bothered to read what I wrote above, you will see that I already addressed this straw man.
The US, just like every other consequential country that has even a semblance of free and fair elections is a target of low-level election manipulation efforts from hostile foreign powers. No rational person would even attempt to deny, for example, that China, which is a key ally and benefactor of the Venezuelan regime, has routinely attempted to manipulate American elections in their favor to one degree or another. The extent to which these efforts are even successful is irrelevant: the attempt itself makes those efforts a threat to American national security.
However, just as with your flippant dismissal of the overwhelming evidence that Venezuela was being used as a drug trafficking route into the United States, you refuse to accept any evidence at all that the Venezuelan regime posed an immediate and ongoing national security threat to the US, because your disproportionate, totally irrational anger at Trump's decision to decapitate that regime can only be justified if you continue to insist on believing that he did so without any provocation whatsoever.
So there's no point in continuing to discuss this with you.
Give a few examples.
It's funny how you went completely silent as Trump started to threaten Iran... again. A while back, you were assuring me "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, BIG WIN!!!!!!" Turns out, you can be wrong about many countries simultaneously.
It's irrelevant. Someone even thinking the thought is a THREAT to national security! Believe me, folks.
FYI: repeatedly claiming something with no evidence doesn't make the evidence overwhelming.
It's as if you've never opened a history book in your life. You do know that the US has actually interfered in the elections of many other countries, right?
Someone realized that he'd be asked to back up some of his preposterous claims, so decided to pre-emptively run away with his tail between his legs. Run away, little fella. It's what you do best.