This an interesting situation, as I believe the intent here is actually to target Muslims and and other foreign religious practices, so there is actually a chance these laws could be used to protect Quebecois culture.
I have no idea what's actually going to happen. Quebec has always been a strange place, but I wouldn't bet against their intolerance.
It's very typical for governments to point to some problem (which they may have caused deliberately) as justification for bad laws that target much more than the problem they claim it was based on. And even then the laws often don't fix the problem they claimed it was about because they either don't care about the problem or want it to continue.
This is the case here - banning public prayer isn't going to stop migration, stop migrants being violent, cause migrants to have more western views or anything like that. It's just going to make Muslims mad and give them more reason to hate the west and be violent. It's obvious the real intent of this law is to make religious people afraid of expressing their religion peacefully through prayer, speech and religious events. And it's not hard to see that's because they don't like the political views of religious people. From the article:
Premier François Legault has said he does not like to see mass gatherings of people praying in the streets because such sessions often take on a political nature.
The whole point is to silence conservatives and move the Overton window to the left.
Even a simple MRI to detect if you have cancer is a 3-6 months waittime IF you live in a populated area.
Anectotal : relative had theirs in 2 weeks ( check for potential cancer, but it was urgent ).
Another relative anecdote : urgent MRI ''within 24h'' was 3 days later ( this is not supposed to happen, ever. Had the suspected emergency been the trouble, they could have been dead ).
MRI needed to check an injury that dosen't heal ( x-ray not showing anything ) : prescribed delay, 2 to 4 weeks. Actual delay : 10 months and a half. Enjoy being dissabled and in pain the whole time since your life isn't at risk.
They have totally lost control on waiting lists. Those delays limits are supposed to have legal weight.
They do MRIs even at night when staff / machine is avaliable.
There just isn't enough doctors and machines per-capita because of doctors lobbies, government ''cost controls'', and mass migration.
I don't know anything about the performance targets you mention or the health system in Quebec, but I would be much more worried about how performance targets can be used to encourage doctors to give out sketchy drugs (like the COVID vax) or punish doctors who don't do as the state wants (like decline transgender surgeries).
Also even without malice you can't judge a doctor's worth from statistics and if you tie their salary to some target (like the number of patients they see) then they will do whatever it takes to hit that target even if it makes them a worse doctor and the less scrupulous doctors will game the system using technicalities and lies. And this is all assuming the people setting the targets are competent, which they likely won't be.
I've made this point somewhere else, but what the Christian right needs is a secular flag. Something to represent all their values, but deny any connection to religion. Then it becomes allowable everywhere fag flags can go. And they need to add a human rights spin to it, where the language uses it about compassion, love and respect for people.
Something tells me nobody other than Christian’s will be targeted by this policy? What amazes me is how we can all see the beast system taking shape in real time, we can see traditional White Christian right wingers are the main target of the persecution, and somehow there isn’t a mass conversion to Christianity. Like you do realize this is proving Revelation is accurate, we are watching Satan and his goblin jews take over the world, and that means we arent far off from Judgement Day. it’s time to come to Christ before it’s too late, Brothers.
This is an attempt at keeping islamism under control / maket ourselves as ''not friendly for islamists'' so they go settle elsewhere.
Will it work? The Supreme Court of Kuckada and the Liberals will try everything to undo it specifically to pander to muslims. They don't need such laws to target Christians as proven in Montréal recently and everywhere during CoviD ( muslims and jews organizing illegal gatherings were ''warned'' or ignored, not fined. )
The mudslimes can absolutely get fucked. And as far as everyone saying it targets christians, I remind you that your own holy text warns against making broad public displays of faith, because those doing it doing it for status. Proper expressions of faith are supposed to be personal and made in private.
You can still protest, if it pleases you, against issues. You just can't stand in front of public buildings shouting "allahu akbar" or "in nominus patre" or "deus vult" or anything of that sort, which I think is fair enough, since people aren't supposed to stand in front of your church and scream "god isn't real!" for hours on end, either.
Hasn't that been true for over 20 years? I swear I remember hearing this very same discussion back then about the "accommodements raisonables", when they were removing crosses from every parliamentary building.
There's a big difference between no religious symbols on government buildings and no religious symbols on any buildings, including churches, mosques and temples
This an interesting situation, as I believe the intent here is actually to target Muslims and and other foreign religious practices, so there is actually a chance these laws could be used to protect Quebecois culture.
I have no idea what's actually going to happen. Quebec has always been a strange place, but I wouldn't bet against their intolerance.
It's very typical for governments to point to some problem (which they may have caused deliberately) as justification for bad laws that target much more than the problem they claim it was based on. And even then the laws often don't fix the problem they claimed it was about because they either don't care about the problem or want it to continue.
This is the case here - banning public prayer isn't going to stop migration, stop migrants being violent, cause migrants to have more western views or anything like that. It's just going to make Muslims mad and give them more reason to hate the west and be violent. It's obvious the real intent of this law is to make religious people afraid of expressing their religion peacefully through prayer, speech and religious events. And it's not hard to see that's because they don't like the political views of religious people. From the article:
The whole point is to silence conservatives and move the Overton window to the left.
Bet Muslims and jews and Sikhs will be exempt after some complaints from them
Complaints involving a little explosions here and there.
This law is a direct reaction to large groups of islamists making political ''prayers'' in front of a major Montréal church.
You mean that's their excuse for such an insane law
I agree with this. I think it pre-empts Muslims but has the added bonus of also suppressing those pesky Christian’s.
Doubt it. They will keep bending over backwards to accommodate their invited in invaders. This will only be used to punish the actual Quebecois.
The left will always attempt to create state mandated atheism. They've done it for centuries, and the left never changes.
Anectotal : relative had theirs in 2 weeks ( check for potential cancer, but it was urgent ).
Another relative anecdote : urgent MRI ''within 24h'' was 3 days later ( this is not supposed to happen, ever. Had the suspected emergency been the trouble, they could have been dead ).
MRI needed to check an injury that dosen't heal ( x-ray not showing anything ) : prescribed delay, 2 to 4 weeks. Actual delay : 10 months and a half. Enjoy being dissabled and in pain the whole time since your life isn't at risk.
They have totally lost control on waiting lists. Those delays limits are supposed to have legal weight.
They do MRIs even at night when staff / machine is avaliable.
There just isn't enough doctors and machines per-capita because of doctors lobbies, government ''cost controls'', and mass migration.
I don't know anything about the performance targets you mention or the health system in Quebec, but I would be much more worried about how performance targets can be used to encourage doctors to give out sketchy drugs (like the COVID vax) or punish doctors who don't do as the state wants (like decline transgender surgeries).
Also even without malice you can't judge a doctor's worth from statistics and if you tie their salary to some target (like the number of patients they see) then they will do whatever it takes to hit that target even if it makes them a worse doctor and the less scrupulous doctors will game the system using technicalities and lies. And this is all assuming the people setting the targets are competent, which they likely won't be.
A lot of the Quebec docs are leaving because the new "performance target" legislation threatens to fine them 500k/day for non-compliance.
Seems perfectly proportionate.
Imagine if they can't or suffer extraordinary rendition.
Canada is the globohomo's cum rag.
oh.. what about the religion of LGBT??
I've made this point somewhere else, but what the Christian right needs is a secular flag. Something to represent all their values, but deny any connection to religion. Then it becomes allowable everywhere fag flags can go. And they need to add a human rights spin to it, where the language uses it about compassion, love and respect for people.
My guess, they'll play both sides as they'd love to try and suppress Muslims but pussy out and only target Christians.
But won't matter, Muslims will take it as a targeting of them and get violent....again.
Just like their pappa France did. And look where France is now!
Watch them keep the star of Remphan if this goes through.
Something tells me nobody other than Christian’s will be targeted by this policy? What amazes me is how we can all see the beast system taking shape in real time, we can see traditional White Christian right wingers are the main target of the persecution, and somehow there isn’t a mass conversion to Christianity. Like you do realize this is proving Revelation is accurate, we are watching Satan and his goblin jews take over the world, and that means we arent far off from Judgement Day. it’s time to come to Christ before it’s too late, Brothers.
Cuckanaduh!
Let me guess, there's an exception for Judaism. Which will later be extended to everyone but Christians?
Vatican 2 is fake and gay!
This is an attempt at keeping islamism under control / maket ourselves as ''not friendly for islamists'' so they go settle elsewhere.
Will it work? The Supreme Court of Kuckada and the Liberals will try everything to undo it specifically to pander to muslims. They don't need such laws to target Christians as proven in Montréal recently and everywhere during CoviD ( muslims and jews organizing illegal gatherings were ''warned'' or ignored, not fined. )
I'm on board with this.
The mudslimes can absolutely get fucked. And as far as everyone saying it targets christians, I remind you that your own holy text warns against making broad public displays of faith, because those doing it doing it for status. Proper expressions of faith are supposed to be personal and made in private.
You can still protest, if it pleases you, against issues. You just can't stand in front of public buildings shouting "allahu akbar" or "in nominus patre" or "deus vult" or anything of that sort, which I think is fair enough, since people aren't supposed to stand in front of your church and scream "god isn't real!" for hours on end, either.
It'll only be enforced against Christians. Prove me wrong, Canada.
Hasn't that been true for over 20 years? I swear I remember hearing this very same discussion back then about the "accommodements raisonables", when they were removing crosses from every parliamentary building.
There's a big difference between no religious symbols on government buildings and no religious symbols on any buildings, including churches, mosques and temples