First of all, yes, private entities absolutely can ban you from speaking on their property. The 1A only restricts the government from jailing you. If we couldn't ban people from this sub, it would be an unreadable mess.
Second, the problem with the lefts cancelling is it was usually just a handful of terminally online freaks, digging through hundreds of tweets dating back years to find one example of a person saying "nigger", usually as a joke. It was completely devoid of nuance and purely vindictive.
The right is using it to get women who work with children fired because they're glad a normie was murdered. Does any normal person want a sociopath like that near thier kids?
The problem is always just the left, not the tools they use.
It is revenge, I would have been more then ok 10 years ago to defend their right to be assholes outside work. What you do in your own time is your business. As long as you're not advertising where you work on your profile then do what ever (some exceptions for public figures or upper management).
But after trying to get people canceled for saying white lives matter, not believing that men can become women, making fun of pronouns, saying the n word in a private chat 2 year earlier, going after a girls parents because the girl sang a rap song, canceling people for being critical of immigration, a guy maybe doing an 0 with his fingers - I do not care.
What should I worry? That it will be used against me? I'm using a VPN from an anonymous account despite having very moderate views on most topics.
If everyone agreed that politics had to be kept out of work, then we'd be fine. But instead it's that your company is going to use HR to push Leftist indoctrination on you, while using profits to fund Leftist NGO's to literally harass and threaten you because you have anti-Leftist opinions.
If we could separate work and politics, than we'd be fine. But this was categorically denied to us, and will not be stopped until HR starts forcing people to watch John Birch Society videos for annual de-sensitivity training.
I do not ever remember a time when it was socially acceptable to cheer on a political assassination.
If this had happened 20, 30, 40 years ago, people would have been fired, ostracised by friends, family, etc.
Cancel Culture was getting people fired simply for disagreeing with the left wing. Openly celebrating a murder is an entirely different thing and would never have been okay before the words "cancel culture" were even in the public dialogue.
It's pure and simple gaslighting to continue the comparison.
It’s already being used against us, and has been used against us for years, therefore I don’t care if it’s used against leftists. Although I do feel like we are being socially engineered to accept the death of the 1st amendment, I mean the total abolishment of the 1st amendment since they already chipped away at it years ago through the civil rights act, the fair housing act, and forced integration, which took away our freedom of association that’s supposed to be a part of the 1st amendment. Makes perfect sense for them to push people to give up on the 1st amendment if one of the main goals for the future is a government run social credit system that persecutes everyone for wrong think/speak.
No. It does what it says it does.
That is in not restricted to jailing. They can't fine you. They can't limit your opportunities. They can't make any law that would abridge your freedom of speech. That includes any institution funded by the government, including colleges receiving government money.
I'm writing in shorthand because I'm on my phone at work but yes you're correct it's more nuanced than what I said
And only possible because of media and government pushing a hostile agenda. Otherwise nobody would've given a shit about a few unhinged twitter and reddit leftists screaming their heads off about someone saying nigger 10 years ago.
Not exactly. They can't ban you from speaking, but they can ban you for speaking, or ask you to leave their property.
No one can stop you from speaking, outside of court orders or something. And even that is sketchy, and often abused. Private entities can have policies about what sort of speech they find acceptable, and punish you afterward, though.
I know it's somewhat semantic, but I do think it's important to be clear that private entities can't stop you from speaking either, they can just punish you (within their own spheres of influence) for your speech.
Or punishing you in any way, or making laws to punish you. Or trying to get around that by working through private entities. You can absolutely violate someone's 1A rights without going so far as to jail them.
The amount of people doing it doesn't really matter but, yes, everything else is on point. It was just punishment against their political opponents, and wasn't warranted. It used the leftist advantage in society to punish conservatives in ways that the right couldn't return fire on.
As someone else said, the right is engaging in revenge. But I don't care, and you're also right that the "crimes" people are committing here are very different. I have much less sympathy for a leftist getting fired for being a fucking demon, than a conservative getting fired for an excuse the left dug up because they hated them for not being a leftist.
It's both. I think we have to be really careful with that kind of speech. There are absolutely tactics the left uses, that the right shouldn't. Because we wouldn't be the right if we behaved like leftists. I'm not saying cuck to them, I'm just saying we have to fight the left without crossing too many lines. We have to cross some, and do things we'd rather not, to fight them, but there also have to be lines we don't cross.
There are absolutely tools the left uses, that we totally should not use. This isn't such a case, though. Fuck these ghouls, these demons. Get away from the kids, and suffer.
The left has determined that negativity is evil. They're dirty hypocrites about it, but their ideology definitely holds that "Inflicting pain or suffering of any kind is inherently evil (Unless you're doing it to someone inherently evil, in which case it's totally justified.)"
Ironically, I could find that core stance to be somewhat respectable, except that they have no concept of nuance for either end of the spectrum. So they deny pain where it's necessary; like natural consequences, character building, or corrective discipline, and embrace it whenever it suits their bloodlust to "righteously" destroy "evil."
But but but James Lindsay said-
Cancelling done by the left was used as the modern-day equivalent of firebombing someone in a car.
They are afraid because the weapons they unleashed upon anyone who did not bow to them has now been deployed against them... with devastating effect.
As has been said before, the rules of engagement are set by the less scrupulus party.
You can stand by your honor that only single combat with rapiers is a civilized method of warfare. And then you'll get shot.
Same thing here.
Yes, it's effectively online lynching. I don't like it either, and I will continue say that people shouldn't be fired for their beliefs... even the obvious terrorists that keep calling for death.
I want you to respond by pulling yourselves away from those institutions and having anti-parallel ones that explicitly ban Lefitsts.
These animals are institutionalists, and they will hold the institution hostage like a bunker on Iwo Jima... so you clear it like a bunker on Iwo Jima, or you pass by the island entirely. [again, not literally, metaphor only here]
I need people to see that the pilot or doctor is calling for murder, so you can turn around and leave the airport & hospital. I need you to understand that these people were hired for those beliefs by other Leftists who wormed their way in already, not inspite of them.
Now, I'm not going to tell you to stop. Certainly not yet. The people crying about cancel culture, if you remember, wanted you to be placed in Covid Camps, and have been dreaming of having you raped in jail for hate speech. They are well outside of my protection. Communists deserve oppression. I have no sympathy.
I'm just saying that at some point we should all stop, but that requires the left to be utterly eradicated from public discourse, which is fine by me. They earned it. It's a terrible idea.
I'm 100% with Dank on this: https://xcancel.com/CountDankulaTV/status/1966465719555481678#m
Freedom of association is federally illegal in the US specifically to keep you from getting away from these people.
That's not true, freedom of association is legal, you're just upset about restrictions on public access.
You don't understand what the phrase "freedom of association" means.
Leftists wear your values as a skin suit in order to eat you alive when the lights go out. Principled behavior is reserved for principled people. Dogs get put back in the kennel.
Dogs have more principles than any Leftist does.
Very true!
I think cancel culture is never a good thing but I kind of agree with you. The way the right is using it is nowhere near as bad is how the left uses it. Because the right is not actually canceling people for being a leftist. You can be a leftist and right wingers wont cancel you. They are only canceling leftists who celebrate violence. So the right hasn't really lowered themselves to leftist level. And in life, sometimes you have to give people a taste of their own medicine.
Even if it's not a joke, saying something racist is not really a big deal if you think about it. Because it's not a sign of narcissism or psychopathy. It's a sign of growing up in a certain culture or having bad experiences with a certain race or two. Saying something racist is no different than saying you don't like a group of people who practice this religion or come from a certain country. And it's not just judging people based on their skin color. It's a leftist myth that races are only different due to "color." Your genetics determines more than just the color of your skin. So trying to destroy someone for saying something racist is no different than someone trying to destroy someone for saying he or she doesn't like Christians or Muslims or Nigerians or Mexicans or Russians or Swedes or redditors or liberals or conservatives etc. Deep down inside, I'm sure the left is aware of this. And the reason they are so passionate about destroying the lives of racists is because they aren't really against racism but against white people they see as a threat. Because these same people pretty much ignore all other racism in the world. They just focus on the racism coming from white people. People don't find it suspicious, leftists ignore all the blatant racism coming from other races? In fact, attacking white people who are racist could be a form of victim blaming because we don't know what made them racist in the first place. These people could have been victimized by non whites in the past and that is why they are racist.
I'm sure at least half of them used "no bad tactics only bad targets" before. Just reply with a screencap.
Nothing more effective than hanging them with their own rope.
Yeah, I’m fine with cancelling communists, especially the ones who are involved in brainwashing children in public education, and brainwashing young adults in our colleges across the nation. One problem: right wing Whites don’t own or control much of anything in the U.S. anymore. With each passing year, everything gets more and more centralized through mergers and corruption that’s turning our entire system into a few mega conglomerates and subverted governmental institutions who are all working together to destroy their detractors, so what we have is one giant public/private entity with many tentacles that are all either controlled or heavily influenced by j’ws (like BlackRock) who hate White people, especially the type of White people who represent right wing traditional values, and want to resurrect/preserve what their White forefathers intended this nation to be. Anyone who doesn’t think what I’m saying is true, just look at the coordination involved to destroy Kanye West overnight….that same power structure is being used in less blatant ways against Whites every day, whether it’s denying White males loans or acceptance into colleges they should be able to get into based on merit, or how the justice system is weaponized against Whites, they’re denying Whites high wage management level jobs in the name of “equity”.
Point being, yeah, it’s great to see some leftists facing consequences for being the worst kind of people, but let’s not confuse what’s happening with leftists to mean we have the power to keep this kind of cancel culture going: the system is giving you a win so you calm down because so long as you feel like some leftists are paying the price for being evil people, you have no reason to organize against them to gain real power over the system.
At the end of the day we need to do this because the left will never stop until they experience a downside to what they're doing.