Simpsons was running on fumes by Season 20, tops. If it had any dignity it would have ended with the Movie. Plebbitors tried to force PatP as the sharkjump point for about 20 years (since that was the year most of them hit puberty) but in reality, it was a slow downward spiral beginning from as far back as S7 that really became noticeable when they switched from cel animation to digital and the characters became even more rigid in design.
I'd argue the hard cap for the end was season 9 episode 2, The Principal and the pauper. Where they just out of nowhere re-wrote a long time recurring character into someone else entirely, and even his own mother didn't care.
The start of that feeling can be traced back to Season 8 episode 23, Homer's Enemy. Frank Grimes was homer until about season 3 if you add in buffoonery. He used to work hard, he used to love his family, and he used to care about things. But they pushed too far beyond that.
So yeah, agreed that season 7 was the last vestige of the real Simpsons.
Don't know, I remember episodes from season 10 pretty fondly, but the peak may have been earlier.
I don't think many people watched the Simpsons for continuity, especially since people couldn't re-watch the oldest episodes during most of the shows run, only what was chosen to be broadcast, which was never in order at any stations near me, and only rarely any early seasons.
I think the hard drop was when Futurama started not long after that, creativity seemed to be drained to that, then when Futurama temporarily went off the air, never came back.
Futurama worked because it was a show made by nerds who lampshaded sci-fi tropes using actual science. Nu Futurama is your typical commie writer using the show to vent about politics
I was only vaguely aware of Tsongas, mostly just the memorable name, and that he was a politician.
Looking him up, if he won the democrat primary in 1992 it would have been a bizarre point of departure having a libertarian leaning, anti-deficit democrat instead of Bill Clinton. Since I believe the deficit was a key portion of the 1994 Contract with America, the Republicans might not have won the house for the first time in decades that year. Not sure where Tsongas would have stood on the GATT/Uruguay Round/WTO that established the modern low-to-no tariff era of 1994 to 2017, but probably not any different than Clinton/Bush Sr. He might not have radicalized the Department of Justice like Clinton did though.
Seasons 1-4 were Original Simpsons quality where you had to be literate and learn-ed to really appreciate it, 5-9 were mass appeal quality, 10+ was a significant drop followed by a slow decline.
Tbf, PatP was meant to poke fun at how the status quo never changes and all in all had good jokes. Saddlesore Galactica was a lazier unfunnier take on that concept
I don't know anybody who has watched the simpsons since before 2010 - and that they watched it at all was just because of the timeslot and habit. Once streaming took over from broadcast nobody cared about that washed up unfunny shit at all.
I still watch Simpsons since I’ve been watching since I was in 3rd grade. I believe they could’ve had a massive resurgence if they would’ve pushed back against that stupid comedian who whined about Apu
Simpsons was running on fumes by Season 20, tops. If it had any dignity it would have ended with the Movie. Plebbitors tried to force PatP as the sharkjump point for about 20 years (since that was the year most of them hit puberty) but in reality, it was a slow downward spiral beginning from as far back as S7 that really became noticeable when they switched from cel animation to digital and the characters became even more rigid in design.
I'd argue the hard cap for the end was season 9 episode 2, The Principal and the pauper. Where they just out of nowhere re-wrote a long time recurring character into someone else entirely, and even his own mother didn't care.
The start of that feeling can be traced back to Season 8 episode 23, Homer's Enemy. Frank Grimes was homer until about season 3 if you add in buffoonery. He used to work hard, he used to love his family, and he used to care about things. But they pushed too far beyond that.
So yeah, agreed that season 7 was the last vestige of the real Simpsons.
Don't know, I remember episodes from season 10 pretty fondly, but the peak may have been earlier.
I don't think many people watched the Simpsons for continuity, especially since people couldn't re-watch the oldest episodes during most of the shows run, only what was chosen to be broadcast, which was never in order at any stations near me, and only rarely any early seasons.
I think the hard drop was when Futurama started not long after that, creativity seemed to be drained to that, then when Futurama temporarily went off the air, never came back.
Futurama worked because it was a show made by nerds who lampshaded sci-fi tropes using actual science. Nu Futurama is your typical commie writer using the show to vent about politics
I vaguely remember some line from NuSimpsons where Homer and Marge were dancing while singing about Paul Tsongas.
That shit wasn't funny even when it was topical.
I was only vaguely aware of Tsongas, mostly just the memorable name, and that he was a politician.
Looking him up, if he won the democrat primary in 1992 it would have been a bizarre point of departure having a libertarian leaning, anti-deficit democrat instead of Bill Clinton. Since I believe the deficit was a key portion of the 1994 Contract with America, the Republicans might not have won the house for the first time in decades that year. Not sure where Tsongas would have stood on the GATT/Uruguay Round/WTO that established the modern low-to-no tariff era of 1994 to 2017, but probably not any different than Clinton/Bush Sr. He might not have radicalized the Department of Justice like Clinton did though.
Seasons 1-4 were Original Simpsons quality where you had to be literate and learn-ed to really appreciate it, 5-9 were mass appeal quality, 10+ was a significant drop followed by a slow decline.
IMDB ratings in chart form for reference
Tbf, PatP was meant to poke fun at how the status quo never changes and all in all had good jokes. Saddlesore Galactica was a lazier unfunnier take on that concept
That wasn’t part of the deal blackheart!
Man, I remember people were saying the Simpsons were done by 2000.
I don't know anybody who has watched the simpsons since before 2010 - and that they watched it at all was just because of the timeslot and habit. Once streaming took over from broadcast nobody cared about that washed up unfunny shit at all.
I still watch Simpsons since I’ve been watching since I was in 3rd grade. I believe they could’ve had a massive resurgence if they would’ve pushed back against that stupid comedian who whined about Apu
Season 7 was the end of the Simpsons.it was the last.