The new codex for the Grey Knights is out, and it tells the Terminus Decree. I read about this right before the License to Buy a Pizza thread, so all I could see was Orks. Apparently the decree says that if the Emperor stands up from his throne, is reincarnated, or ascends to godhood, the grey knights must stop this. There's hints that the emperor is already reborn against his will, and doesn't even know what or who he is yet. So a new story is building up.
I haven't found any news about it, only YouTubers and random reddit threads. This is coming at the same time that Space Marines are no longer male.
I guess I should mention this is WarHammer 40k stuff.
Another shark jumped.
At this point 40k is what the fans say, and GW 40k is some figurines you can 3d print and save a fortune.
See also, the very noticeable absence of almost all modern lore in the new games.
The Rogue Trader RPG is 95% lore from twenty years ago back when Dark Heresy was still in print, and the newly announced sequel just straight up is Dark Heresy.
It likely has something to do with the emperor becoming the 5th chaos god. I think that's alluded to in the last 3 Siege of Terra books. Obviously he doesn't become one, but it's there if I recall right. I just read lore posts. Who has time for 50 plus books.
If the books weren't so melodramatic I'd read them. Lol. People have said good things about Eisenhorn though so I might take a crack at that sometime.
The Commissar Cain series is one I can recommend. More humor than normal for 40k, it feels like a mix of Horatio Hornblower and Blackadder.
Eisenhorn was good in the 00s, because it was the first well written novel that showed the Imperium outside of war. IMO they don't stand the test of time.
Commissar Cain novels are much better books and fun to read.
Also recently 'Assassinorum Kingmaker' and 'The Infinite and The Divine' are better.
i've read eisenhorn. I think dan abnet is overrated
Eugh. Eisenhorn was a slog for me to get through, despite being the one book people talk about as a good intro for 40K.
I enjoyed the Forge of Mars series alot more, personally.
Yeah, I just watch YouTubers and read articles. There is no way I could read all the books needed.
What aspect of chaos would even be his domain? Laws and order?
"The Chaos god of Order" is a perfect concept for a universe where a guy waving a sword from the hatch of his tank is taken completely seriously, you can't have anybody winking at the camera though.
At least to me, it isnt a completely outlandish concept. After all, order taken to 1984 degrees can absolutely be chaotic as people can not possibly live up to the standard set.
My bet is the introduction of a new god pantheon: The “Order Gods” or some shit. God Emperor, the Omnissiah, a new Eldaar god, and a Tau god.
I see GW would be going back to their old habit of copying other people's work for their setting again.
(For those who don't know, GW basically ripped the entire concept of Chaos from Michael Moorcock's Eternal Champion series, up to and including the 8-pointed star. This ALSO included Lords of Order as their counterpoints.)
You may not be wrong. We have already seen a new Eldar God of Death and Rebirth awaken in the form of Ynnead (even if they fumbled that plotline), and there was already an physical manifestation of The Greater Good that showed up in a more recent Tau book.
Also, point of order, it would be the Machine God. Big E is the Omnissiah (think of it as the difference between God and Jesus).
Isn't the Machine God just one of the Necron C'tan, specifically The Dragon buried on Mars?
Yes, but the Mechanicus doesnt know that or know that Big E was the one who defeated it and sealed it back away. They just know that The Emperor seems to know everything about how their technology works even without having studied it (he had, but they didnt know that), so they assumed he was a prophet of the Machine God, which is why they followed him.
And there is some implication this was all part of his plan.
Is The Dragon still intact? I remember reading GW nerfed the C'tan so that any time one showed up on the battlefield it was only a shard/sliver of its true power because having a fully manifested entity that naturally drinks stars running around wearing necrodermis was maybe a bit much in terms of power.
No, it is just a shard, as it has been confirmed there are not intact C'tan left in the galaxy. But at the same time, a shard of a C'tan is still absurdly powerful even in their nerfed state. To give an example from one of the more modern books, in the Pariah Nexus (where the big Imperium vs. Necron war is currently going on), an Inquisitor and their team managed to fight through a bunch of Necron's and release what turned out to be a shard of a C'tan. The shard they released then teleported them back to their ship, and basically told them "Hey, you guys are alright. I will give you one for free to make us even." And then with a wave of its hand, it killed almost every Necron on the planet (where the Imperium had been losing just before that), and then the Shard fucked off into deep space never to be seen again. Although they are very much impossible to pin down their motives, so that one escaping probably is a bad thing.
At their peak, they were literally able to manipulate reality, so it is probably for the best they got nerfed.
I'd be fine with that.
I’m neutral leaning to disliking it. It’s a solid progression for most stories but it defeats the grim dark aspect for 40k. It goes from humankind is only staying alive by the skin of their teeth to an even fight where it’s god vs god.
It doesn’t have to be. Didn’t Warhammer Fantasy had plenty of gods for the various races and factions that were powerful and relevant, but ultimately unable to match up evenly to the Chaos Gods?
Custodes are no longer all male*
Nah, this is fine. Malcador and the emps set up a load of contingencies, including against themselves. And the emps has intervened into plots to kill and revive him IIRC. And the custodes couldn't do this task themselves, as they are locked to obeying the current incarnation of him, intrinsically linked to his will.
Don't know why this is blowing up, it's in keeping with the characters and the theme of self-defeating rules and tradition tying their own hands, and preventing things changing, even if it needs to.
Agreed. I actually thought it was an interesting enough twist. The only big issues I have with it is 1) As good as Grey Knights are, 1,000 of them are going to have a bitch and a half of a time defeating 10,000 Custodes and 1,000 Sisters of Silence unless Big E is roiding them out personally, and 2) It throws a monkey wrench into some older lore points. Like just off the top of my head, I know after the Fall of Cadia and the opening of the Great Rift, there were some Grey Knights who talked about invoking the Terminus Decree, and the Chapter Master said something to the effect of "Even a situation this grim does not demand the Decree." That makes less sense when the Decree is "Make sure The Emperor stays on his chair at any cost."
Custiddes, one might say.
When did this happen? I've known about custodies - it is the moment I completely stop buying minis or even following lore. Did they finally make women space marines?
This video talks about it.
TLDR: Recent book sidebar on Space Marine initiation is completely gender-neutral and makes no mention of the fact that it's always a man. People are eyeing this as a canary in the coalmine moment. Paranoia? Maybe. Hoax? Possible. But assuming GW is operating under good faith is never a solid bet, and given thier recent decision making...
If this is true this isn't paranoia but pattern recognition
99% sure he meant to say Custodes
Nope. It's new info.
Given the Custodies are higher in power than the Greys, I think ol' Emps was doing a little trolling with that decree.