In truth, FDR throwing Manchuria under the bus was America's second big mistake (second to everything everything Wilson did).
Prior to the Japanese invasion, China was the nation most closely aligned with the US. Remember, we did not like Britain very much. If we'd gone all in to help the Chinese against the IJA, the nationalists would have beat the communists, and a glorious capitalist sino-American alliance would have been the true superpower that would have crushed the Soviet Union.
America was on the communist side of ww2 to begin with. America released the communist prisoners in Japan, Germany and Italy and removed the anti communist laws in the Axis countries. There was never going to be "a glorious capitalist alliance" ever.
The actual anti communist side was the Axis side and always has been
FDR was trash but America had been poisoned for a long time even before FDR. Here's a Hitler quote
I don't see much future for the Americans ... it's a decayed country. And they have their racial problem, and the problem of social inequalities ... my feelings against Americanism are feelings of hatred and deep repugnance ... everything about the behaviour of American society reveals that it's half Judaised, and the other half negrified. How can one expect a State like that to hold together?”
Hitler funded, supplied, and provided aid to the USSR for years prior to WW2, and made a military alliance with Stalin. Germany and Italy could have simply chosen to have a permanent alliance, but Hitler betrayed Stalin despite the fact that Stalin genuinely had no interest expanding westward into Germany ever since the Battle of The Vistula.
The Nazis were explicitly on the side of the Communists in the beginning of WW2.
Shut up jew. We all know that no matter what anyone says to you about this topic, you will never change your mind on it so i have no interest in talking to you.
Hitler betrayed Stalin despite the fact that Stalin genuinely had no interest expanding westward
Post war myth. The Molotov -Ribbentrop pact was always going to end, and Soviet doctrine included militaristic expansion into Europe from the start. That the explanation in official narrative for Operation Barbarossa is "lol Hitler stoopid dude," aught to be telling. Outside the West, ideas like Suvorov's Icebreaker are take seriously because they fit the historical situation far better.
There is zero evidence that Stalin intended westward expansion outside of basic vassalization efforts that most Great Powers engage in. This is the whole point of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact: Stalin agreed to fully separate spheres of influence. This is because both he and Lenin were on the same page on that front, and is one of the primary reasons he had Trotsky exiled and then executed. Trotsky wanted world-wide communist revolutions, even pushing for Communist revolutions in Paris. Stalin wanted to continue re-tooling Soviet infrastructure until he could achieve some semblance of Autarkey (impossible), and end the perpetual food problems (also impossible).
Hitler wasn't stupid, but he was making critical fucking errors and seriously underestimating the danger of the USSR. Hitler actively funded the Soviet Union and gave them desperately needed refined goods while they attempted to industrialize. Hitler chose to invade with Barbarossa when he did because he thought that Soviet re-armament and incompetence was still as bad as it was in the Winter War. He also wasn't impressed by Communist troops in Spain. He assumed that due to Stalin's unpopularity in the East, he'd be able to steam-roll any Soviet vassal armies. Because the USSR had been dependent on Germany for industrial supply, he assumed the economy would fall apart as well.
He was wrong on all fronts. Not from stupidity, but the information he had gave him a false sense of security. The economy was done re-tooling and was now fully capable of industrial output that he literally thought was impossible, in his own words. The purges of the armies were completed already. Retraining was finished as the invasion started. The abuses of the Wermacht and SS caused many more anti-Stalin forces to avoid joining him (even anti-Stalin Communists could have worked with him). And absolutely worst of all: Stalin literally had no plans of invading Germany. None. All the fear he had of a massive Bolshevik onslaught actually wasn't real, and he couldn't see it.
He admitted in recordings at the Eagle's Nest that he didn't understand how bad of a position the Soviets were in in 1935 and 1938, and probably could have invaded during the Winter War on Finland's behalf, but wasn't confident in his own army's abilities at the time. Meanwhile, by the time he finally did invade, he didn't realize how massively the situation had changed in only 2 years.
It's not "stupid", he just didn't have complete intel, and never exploited some of the critical advantages he could have needed. Mostly because of the Nazi arrogance and supremacism.
Suvorov argued that Joseph Stalin planned a conquest of Europe for many years, and was preparing to launch a surprise attack on Nazi Germany at the end of summer of 1941 to begin that plan
It's not taken seriously because the only evidence that exists is pointing in the opposite direction.
He assumed that due to Stalin's unpopularity in the East, he'd be able to steam-roll any Soviet vassal armies.
To be fair, he technically wasnt wrong on that one. It was well documented that a lot of the armies that were heavy in non-Russian ethnic groups (Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Polish, etc) did just mass surrender to the Nazi's, or turned their guns around and joined them. And it is true that many of the people of those areas did indeed welcome the Wermacht as liberators and showered them with gifts and recruits, as well as promises of anti-partisan militias.
But like you said, that goodwill was almost immediately covered in gasoline and set on fire pretty much as soon as the SS showed up and started doing SS things. And suddenly, what had once been pacified territory that required a token garrison was now completely destablized and rife with guerillas at a time when the Wermacht could ill afford such a situation, and they never recovered from it.
Which, if anything, shows why pragmatism will almost always win out over dogma in the long run.
I agree. Hell, the Soviet Red Army had the highest rate of defection of any army, and they were winning. That's per capita.
Part of it makes me wonder that if Germany had been Fascist like Italy, Spain, or Portugal, could they have won the war? Frankly, I'm not even certain there would have been a holocaust if Germany was Fascist rather than National Socialist. Hell, Japan might have had a better go of it if they hadn't done exactly what the Nazis did.
Ah yes. The national socialist party in Germany, famous for being anti leftist, while employing every leftist policy in the world.
Weird...
Just come out of the closet. I'd actually have some respect for you retards if you just admitted "yes, I want to genocide the jews, and I'm a fag for Hitler"
Many got executed. Thousands of right wingers in Japan got thrown out of any form of political power or media or anything.
And having their country be ruined is not "getting away with it" And it doesn't matter either way, what matters is that the only reason why a chinese commie would make a video like this, is because he wants to condemn the Japanese of today. And make Japan in to a self hating country.
The Japanese Militarists were still effectively Leftists. The Leftist Nationalists went into self-imposed hiding, or otherwise killed themselves rather than admit defeat. The anti-Left Nationalists really didn't go anywhere. Anti-Left Japanese Nationalism or otherwise Japanese Conservativism has been a very long and very effective political force in Japan for decades, more so than anywhere in Europe or the US. There was no "De-Nazification" program in Japan, and it's one of the primary reasons that Fabian Socialism has only been successful in Japan with the imposition of Keynesian economic policies only a few decades ago.
That's the real point here. Yes, the Militarists never actually got held to account, even when they conducted massacres, rapes, scientific experiments, and setting people on fire. That was done intentionally by the Americans so that there couldn't be any legitimate counter-claims. Unlike Germany, the US took a very light touch by comparison in holding the militarists accountable. There are Nazi Hunters who scavenged Argentina, but there are no "Militarist Hunters" looking in Indonesia, because the militarists just went home and no one went looking for them.
In truth, FDR throwing Manchuria under the bus was America's second big mistake (second to everything everything Wilson did).
Prior to the Japanese invasion, China was the nation most closely aligned with the US. Remember, we did not like Britain very much. If we'd gone all in to help the Chinese against the IJA, the nationalists would have beat the communists, and a glorious capitalist sino-American alliance would have been the true superpower that would have crushed the Soviet Union.
America was on the communist side of ww2 to begin with. America released the communist prisoners in Japan, Germany and Italy and removed the anti communist laws in the Axis countries. There was never going to be "a glorious capitalist alliance" ever.
The actual anti communist side was the Axis side and always has been
FDR and his Cabinet was. They had to dupe the country.
FDR was trash but America had been poisoned for a long time even before FDR. Here's a Hitler quote
The entire Democratic Party was communist aligned. That’s why Sen McCarthy was able to identify so many commies.
Hitler funded, supplied, and provided aid to the USSR for years prior to WW2, and made a military alliance with Stalin. Germany and Italy could have simply chosen to have a permanent alliance, but Hitler betrayed Stalin despite the fact that Stalin genuinely had no interest expanding westward into Germany ever since the Battle of The Vistula.
The Nazis were explicitly on the side of the Communists in the beginning of WW2.
Shut up jew. We all know that no matter what anyone says to you about this topic, you will never change your mind on it so i have no interest in talking to you.
"shut up" is not an argument
Im not interested in argueing with him. Like i said, no matter what you say to him he will not change his mind. He's just wasting everyone's time
then why reply?
I'm aware that you will always be willfully wrong.
Post war myth. The Molotov -Ribbentrop pact was always going to end, and Soviet doctrine included militaristic expansion into Europe from the start. That the explanation in official narrative for Operation Barbarossa is "lol Hitler stoopid dude," aught to be telling. Outside the West, ideas like Suvorov's Icebreaker are take seriously because they fit the historical situation far better.
There is zero evidence that Stalin intended westward expansion outside of basic vassalization efforts that most Great Powers engage in. This is the whole point of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact: Stalin agreed to fully separate spheres of influence. This is because both he and Lenin were on the same page on that front, and is one of the primary reasons he had Trotsky exiled and then executed. Trotsky wanted world-wide communist revolutions, even pushing for Communist revolutions in Paris. Stalin wanted to continue re-tooling Soviet infrastructure until he could achieve some semblance of Autarkey (impossible), and end the perpetual food problems (also impossible).
Hitler wasn't stupid, but he was making critical fucking errors and seriously underestimating the danger of the USSR. Hitler actively funded the Soviet Union and gave them desperately needed refined goods while they attempted to industrialize. Hitler chose to invade with Barbarossa when he did because he thought that Soviet re-armament and incompetence was still as bad as it was in the Winter War. He also wasn't impressed by Communist troops in Spain. He assumed that due to Stalin's unpopularity in the East, he'd be able to steam-roll any Soviet vassal armies. Because the USSR had been dependent on Germany for industrial supply, he assumed the economy would fall apart as well.
He was wrong on all fronts. Not from stupidity, but the information he had gave him a false sense of security. The economy was done re-tooling and was now fully capable of industrial output that he literally thought was impossible, in his own words. The purges of the armies were completed already. Retraining was finished as the invasion started. The abuses of the Wermacht and SS caused many more anti-Stalin forces to avoid joining him (even anti-Stalin Communists could have worked with him). And absolutely worst of all: Stalin literally had no plans of invading Germany. None. All the fear he had of a massive Bolshevik onslaught actually wasn't real, and he couldn't see it.
He admitted in recordings at the Eagle's Nest that he didn't understand how bad of a position the Soviets were in in 1935 and 1938, and probably could have invaded during the Winter War on Finland's behalf, but wasn't confident in his own army's abilities at the time. Meanwhile, by the time he finally did invade, he didn't realize how massively the situation had changed in only 2 years.
It's not "stupid", he just didn't have complete intel, and never exploited some of the critical advantages he could have needed. Mostly because of the Nazi arrogance and supremacism.
It's not taken seriously because the only evidence that exists is pointing in the opposite direction.
To be fair, he technically wasnt wrong on that one. It was well documented that a lot of the armies that were heavy in non-Russian ethnic groups (Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Polish, etc) did just mass surrender to the Nazi's, or turned their guns around and joined them. And it is true that many of the people of those areas did indeed welcome the Wermacht as liberators and showered them with gifts and recruits, as well as promises of anti-partisan militias.
But like you said, that goodwill was almost immediately covered in gasoline and set on fire pretty much as soon as the SS showed up and started doing SS things. And suddenly, what had once been pacified territory that required a token garrison was now completely destablized and rife with guerillas at a time when the Wermacht could ill afford such a situation, and they never recovered from it.
Which, if anything, shows why pragmatism will almost always win out over dogma in the long run.
I agree. Hell, the Soviet Red Army had the highest rate of defection of any army, and they were winning. That's per capita.
Part of it makes me wonder that if Germany had been Fascist like Italy, Spain, or Portugal, could they have won the war? Frankly, I'm not even certain there would have been a holocaust if Germany was Fascist rather than National Socialist. Hell, Japan might have had a better go of it if they hadn't done exactly what the Nazis did.
The nazis were the communists the whole time. It's even in their name... Just slightly different sect of communists
Race Communists
Ah yes. The national socialist party in Germany, famous for being anti leftist, while employing every leftist policy in the world.
Weird...
Just come out of the closet. I'd actually have some respect for you retards if you just admitted "yes, I want to genocide the jews, and I'm a fag for Hitler"
Ah yes, but FDR's admin did not want to do this. It was riddled with commies, much like the UK. There's a reason why the Anglosphere went to war with the Axis instead: they all thought communism was pretty neat. Here's who we sent to mange post war agreements at the Bretton Woods Conference.
"They literally thought the imperial family were unquestionable deities, those idiots!"
Meanwhile
more evidence that words mean nothing
Words are a way to get you to do what I want. When I want something different I use different words. Try to keep up.
The Japanese militarists did get away with war crimes. We explicitly let them as part of a settlement agreement.
We didn't go after them for the liquidation of prisoners, they didn't go after us for firebombing and nuke campaigns.
Many got executed. Thousands of right wingers in Japan got thrown out of any form of political power or media or anything.
And having their country be ruined is not "getting away with it" And it doesn't matter either way, what matters is that the only reason why a chinese commie would make a video like this, is because he wants to condemn the Japanese of today. And make Japan in to a self hating country.
Again, you're a historically illiterate Qatari.
The Japanese Militarists were still effectively Leftists. The Leftist Nationalists went into self-imposed hiding, or otherwise killed themselves rather than admit defeat. The anti-Left Nationalists really didn't go anywhere. Anti-Left Japanese Nationalism or otherwise Japanese Conservativism has been a very long and very effective political force in Japan for decades, more so than anywhere in Europe or the US. There was no "De-Nazification" program in Japan, and it's one of the primary reasons that Fabian Socialism has only been successful in Japan with the imposition of Keynesian economic policies only a few decades ago.
That's the real point here. Yes, the Militarists never actually got held to account, even when they conducted massacres, rapes, scientific experiments, and setting people on fire. That was done intentionally by the Americans so that there couldn't be any legitimate counter-claims. Unlike Germany, the US took a very light touch by comparison in holding the militarists accountable. There are Nazi Hunters who scavenged Argentina, but there are no "Militarist Hunters" looking in Indonesia, because the militarists just went home and no one went looking for them.
Your making things up again
Funny because right wing Japanese today consider imperial Japan to be right wing not left wing.
Again, I know you're an ignorant unread camel-toe sucker, but you should probably try to figure out the difference between an Imperialism and Fascism.
I'm surprised I've never seen Lady Izdihar mentioned on here.