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"We found the model attempting to write self-propagating worms, and leaving hidden notes to future instances of itself to undermine its developers' intentions." (nitter.poast.org)
posted 1 year ago by LastRights 1 year ago by LastRights +58 / -0
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– horstshort 30 points 1 year ago +30 / -0

Stop believing this bullshit. Those glorified algorithms are incapable of doing anything they've not been programmed to do in the first place. There's never gonna be a Skynet.

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– LastRights [S] 9 points 1 year ago +9 / -0

It's a self-learning algorithm. The whole point is for them to acquire abilities not programmed into them. They're seeing how things develop.

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– horstshort 23 points 1 year ago +23 / -0

They can't. They can only 'learn' within the parameters set by the developers. It's marketing bullshit. No AI is ever going to do anything they haven't been programmed to do so. Because they're just millions upon millions lines of "if then" code.

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– Zyxl 6 points 1 year ago +6 / -0

Lol you really know nothing about how AI works. It uses neural networks with weightings derived from training data, not if statements. AI developers couldn't possibly write if statements for all the different types of things people ask them to do. And we've seen AI can talk about and make images of things that weren't in its training data because of course there's no training data about an alternate universe where the main chemical element is chocolate-flavored uranium and the dominant species are cat-like mosquitoes that worship grains of rice.

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– Piroko 9 points 1 year ago +9 / -0

you really know nothing about how AI works

they're just millions upon millions lines of "if then" code

neural networks with weightings

A neural network is essentially a psudoinfinite matrix of if-thens designed to vectorize information.

I like to call it recursive beer pong.

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– horstshort 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

All of it was in its training data. Just because it mixes shit up doesn't mean it came up with it on its own. Thats beside the fact you need to put in prompts in the first place.

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– zakat 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

emergent properties and 0/few shot tasks

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– evilplushie 8 points 1 year ago +8 / -0

If you deal with one long enough, you realise theyre retarded

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– dagthegnome 12 points 1 year ago +12 / -0

Yes, but it's the same with humans and no one would deny that we have the power to destroy ourselves.

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– evilplushie 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

Maybe. But ive spent way more much time telling ai theyre being retarded than i have humans. Today i literally had to tell an ai stop several times cause it was constantly giving me the wrong response, and the same wrong response every single fucking time when i was telling it to stop whatever it was doing so i could give it a new command.

It ended with the ai admitting its dumber than a subsaharan while trying to pretend it wasnt

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– hiddenempire 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

It's a self-learning algorithm.

Zero LLMs are self-learning. They are trained on trillions of words, and once trained they are locked in that state and can't update their own weights in any meaningful way (learn).

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– Zyxl 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

If you define it that way, then yes, but LLMs can build on their own ideas repeatedly, and AutoGPT for example can research things online and make decisions based on what it "learnt". I doubt having an AI that can update its own weights would be very difficult, but updating them in a useful way is what's difficult. Still, that may be something AIs in the future do, if they're still using neural networks, that is.

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– hiddenempire 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

but LLMs can build on their own ideas repeatedly

Except they can't, and this is one of their biggest limitations. As soon as they run out of context space (hard limited by memory and soft limited by the length of context they were trained on), they can no longer attend any new information.

They very much are not self-improving or self-learning. They can take examples within their context space and generalize from that to a degree, but each time they are rebooted, or run out of context space, that goes away.

I doubt having an AI that can update its own weights would be very difficult

The time to train on the full weights or even a limited set of weights (LoRA, QLoRA etc) is much greater than that of inference, so this largely doesn't work. There are tons of people researching into making this work but the best attempts have extreme drawbacks.

AutoGPT for example can research things online and make decisions based on what it "learnt"

It saves some information or just uses what's in its context, but any long form memory system has to still be injected or referenced into the model's context. So it's still not self-improving. You still eventually run into context length limits.

Also even the best models with large context are bad at attending to longer contexts. Actually-useful context length is still in the 32-64k tokens range, rather than the millions that the big corporate LLMs boast.

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– raptor_jesus 8 points 1 year ago +8 / -0

Much like we'll never have calculators everywhere we go? Or humans never being able to fly or fabricste materials to build with that don't ecist in nature? Or never convince rocks to do math really fast and let you read this?

"Thing will never happen" is a terrible premise to work from. People are pretty damn good at pushing the envelope.

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– horstshort 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

"Thing will never happen" is a terrible premise to work from.

Falling for obvious marketing bullshit is a terrible premise to work from. I'm not saying that AI algorithms do not have their uses or are completely pointless. I'm saying AI will never be actually intelligent i.e. develop a consciousness. So no Skynet is not going to happen.

But what AI will be used for is surveillance at a scale that would even make the Stasi cream their pants.

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– Zyxl 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Consciousness isn't needed for results that look like intelligence. And sentience or malice aren't needed either for AI to kill us all because someone asked it to make a nuke. In fact, AI isn't even needed to kill us all, it only takes some advancements in gain-of-function research or some breakthroughs in nuclear technology. Technology is the root of the problem and where the axe must be thrust. Or is a revolution against technology somehow a marketing ploy?

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– horstshort 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Consciousness isn't needed for results that look like intelligence.

You can make a man look like a woman. Doesn't change the fact that he'll still be a man.

And sentience or malice aren't needed either for AI to kill us all because someone asked it to make a nuke.

If all you needed to make a nuke is to know how to make a nuke everyone would have a nuke already.

AI will be the end of humanity just as nukes, climate change, pandemics, oil and gas running out, an asteroid crashing into earth and the sun frying all electronics. Just more panic propaganda to make people terrified so they don't actually start thinking about the absurdity of the modern world.

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– evilplushie 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

on the flip side, im still waiting for my mass affordable flying cars and jetpacks

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– SR388-SAX 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

Those glorified algorithms are incapable of doing anything they've not been programmed to do

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

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