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So what you are saying is that antisemitism makes good anime? (media.kotakuinaction2.win)
posted 1 year ago by Telia 1 year ago by Telia +31 / -0
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– MargarineMongoose 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

Attack on Titan was good for the first few seasons.

I still need to figure out how to track down Final Season II: Turbo Edition to finish watching it.

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– Adamrises 15 points 1 year ago +15 / -0

Its easy to write the first half of a property well. You are literally making shit up as you go and can pull things out as needed to move the plot/engagement/badassery where you want it.

The second halves are where the consequences of the first half need to start to manifest, limiting you considerably to the rules and actions you already used, and points need to converge towards an ending, limiting your ability to just pull shit out that you think is cool.

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– Theacefospades 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

Okay so id like to talk about this. Do you really think so? I've found the complete opposite. I know where I want to GO and I know the last words every character is supposed to say etc etc and it's going to be super epic and dramatic.

But getting there? Starting off with NOT that and having a believable build up is way harder to me, finding a way to balance fluff, foreshadowing, and just stuff happening without putting up big ole neon signs point at the important stuff. Cause if they miss it the ending will make no sense, but if it's obvious nobody will care.

Maybe "property" is different than story. Starts of stories are hard but ends of franchises are hard too.

Idk just thought it was odd.

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– Vivs3rdSock 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

Manga can be extremely fast paced with releases, often weekly, meaning artists/writers need to be spamming their own works to the point of regular burnout and health problems.

If a project is doing very well for popularity and money then there's going to be pressure to not only keep it publishing constantly but also to keep it going to maintain that money. This leads to a lot of "filler" before actual filler even gets brought up simply to stretch out the story for far longer than it should run for.

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– Grant_us_eyes 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Some authors are really good at setting things up(and creating interesting settings), yet utter shit at resolving them.

As much as I hate Charlie Stross for other reasons, when I started reading his stuff, that was a consistent problem I noticed - he always wrote endings in a way that was completely anti-climatic or focused on things I didn't care about, while leaving all the good, interesting things hanging on a vine somewhere.

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– Telia [S] 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

it really wasn't hard to make an ending for AOT. The Akatsuki no Requiem music video made a better ending for it than what we got https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrQ0zZArUV8 . In the Akatsuki no Requiem music video, Eren wins and kills his friends and Paradis lives in peace but Eren lives the rest of his days in extreme torment and guilt. Though he seems to have a family of his own in this ending, probably with Historia.. (yeah historia having a baby wasn't just a useless plot point in the Akatsuki no requiem ending unlike what we got) Younger Eren sees the future Eren and wants to kill him for killing his friends but decides not to when he sees Paradis is thriving.

The author just chickened out with it, because he didn't want to be seen as supporting genocide .

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– Devidose 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

The author chickened out

The story literally ends with Eren wiping out around 80% of humanity.

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– Theacefospades 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

Having not watched it, I've no idea wtf you're talking about.

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– Adamrises 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

I think it largely depends on if you have your story "planned" and are trying to write it with the entire rough journey already known, or if you are writing as you go.

Manga, especially shounen or long runners, are usually written basically as they are being drawn. So they are basically slowly writing themselves into corners as they progress and often times those corners are extremely bad. They might plan arcs, they might have a short term plan set up, but usually they are literally suffering under the weight of shit they said 3+ years ago that prevents them from doing what they want now.

And yeah. A property means you aren't just writing for yourself. You are beholden to publisher, editor, fan expectations etc.

Because that's another important distinction here, these stories aren't complete when they begin like say a book or a game is. They are subject to the endless whims of reactions and expectations as each chapter drops. And then subject to it again as the anime adapts it.

However, you are absolutely correct in my experience when it comes to writing as a passion/hobby. I've got all the big set pieces and payoffs ready and trying to link them together or get the story started is the struggle.

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– Telia [S] 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

it wasn't that hard to make an ending for AOT. The Akatsuki no Requiem music video made a better ending for it than what we got https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrQ0zZArUV8 . In the Akatsuki no Requiem music video, Eren wins and kills his friends and Paradis lives in peace but Eren lives the rest of his days in extreme torment and guilt. Though he seems to have a family of his own in this ending, probably with Historia.. (yeah historia having a baby wasn't just a useless plot point in the Akatsuki no requiem ending unlike what we got)Younger Eren sees the future Eren and wants to kill him for killing his friends but decides not to when he sees Paradis is thriving.

The author just chickened out with it, because he didn't want to be seen as supporting genocide .

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– Adamrises 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

I never actually watched a single episode or chapter of AOT, I was just speaking in a general sense of writing and a few of the big meme pieces at the end.

If he was afraid of supporting genocide then he successfully hid that by creating the greatest cuck image of all time to be all anyone remembers about his series instead.

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– Vivs3rdSock 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

A lot of things are good for the first few seasons because they don't have to explain things. Yet. See Lost for one of the more famous examples where the writers later admitted they had no idea wtf they were doing during the middle and were just coasting along on both hype and mystery boxes.

The problem with doing this is that for very popular projects that take too long to finish the hype from fans can turn toxic in ways other than simply fans hating on the material and artists/writers involved. When the hype for what comes next is so high it becomes impossible to ever meet then the very success that brought increased attention leads to its own downfall.

Look at Duke Nukem Forever that released in 2011 after 15 years of waiting from Duke Nukem 3D. It took too long that by the time the game finally came out it was never able to match the expectations of the fans who had mythologised what the release would turn out to be. Half Life 3 will suffer the same fate if that ever actually comes out. Sherlock experienced this after season 2. Arguably Brexit suffered from this too because it was never actually nailed down precisely what that was going to be and you ended up with a lot of smaller groups under the same banner who expected different things to take place, many of which would be incompatible with fellow supporters of the same cause.

As for AoT what made it popular was the characters fighting the Titans but when the story started trying to explain "there are bad guys on both sides" and moved away from the starting location it became extremely convoluted and detached from the original premise.

The pre-destination paradox problem didn't help things, either.

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