The point of the tariffs is to raise the price of imported goods in order to make US made alternatives more competitive. I'm not sure if it's the right move, but I think continuing to fund a country that is most likely going to be our major enemy in the next war by purchasing mountains of cheap crap from them isn't a good idea.
Regarding transparency, I'm all for it: let's also itemize all of our bills to show what the company paid for raw materials, production, shipping, and wages. I'm betting people wouldn't be willing to buy as much stuff or would choose products with a lower price to cost ratio if they had that info.
How about businesses saying how much more expensive your products are because of labor unions, OSHA nonsense, environmental laws, and general anti-business regulations, and how China doesn't deal with any of that.
Or here's a good one from elsewhere in society: force colleges to publish the difference in SAT scores between their average black student and average white student in their incoming class, and staple that on to every rejection letter they send out to white kids.
OSHA is a good thing. The company I work for would never enforce safety standards or give us PPE if they weren't at risk for getting in trouble with OSHA. You'd see a lot more men getting permanently injured or killed.
Yes, some OSHA is a good thing, some of it is unnecessary and expensive and only protects complete morons, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were the usual problems of there being a revolving door between OSHA administrators and executives at companies that make the equipment OSHA mandates, but this is actually all besides the point: Even if OSHA saved a billion lives a year and every policy was wonderful, as long as the US has it and China doesn't, that's an uneven playing field. The choice, assuming zero tariffs, isn't actually between keeping Americans safe or not keeping them safe, it's between not keeping them safe and keeping some of them safer and some of them losing their jobs because they can't compete with countries that don't have those regulations. My actual position isn't that OSHA should be entirely eliminated (although it could certainly be greatly improved), it's that all the regulations I mentioned, including OSHA, should come with a tariff of some appropriate value on all countries that don't enforce an equivalent regulation, or in the long run you're not keeping people safe, you're just moving jobs to China. Having companies put the "OSHA tax" on price tags would help people understand the actual implications of the policies they support.
Regarding transparency, I'm all for it: let's also itemize all of our bills to show what the company paid for raw materials, production, shipping, and wages.
Yeah.
the White House denounced the move as a "hostile and political act."
Perhaps that's the motivation, but I agree the transparency is good, and people paying attention will likely reach different conclusions than just Orange Man Bad.
I also think all taxes should be marked, as the more visible taxes are, the less people will tolerate them.
The point of the tariffs is to raise the price of imported goods in order to make US made alternatives more competitive.
Correct. If a $119 swimsuit jumps to $360, maybe buy an American made one for $150 or whatever. Or, you know, $30 or something. That's also an option.
But, yeah, if foreign slave labor gets more expensive, that creates more incentive to buy and more importantly produce American goods. That $360 swimsuit is a massive business opportunity for Americans.
But these people pushing this type of stuff think that is impossible without the Chinese slave labor. And not a product of people being either too lazy or too greedy to leave China for somewhere else. I know right now, there is a growing anger on Reddit and Twitter over the fact that Cover/Hololive merch is now extremely expensive. But as much as I like Holo and think Cover is a company that is pretty good in the Vtuber industry, I have to just say it: They did it to themselves.
How do I know it is a Cover problem and not a merch-in-general problem? Because I have gotten merch from other companies or Indie Vtubers that hasnt had a massive tariff tacked on the price. So either these people are eating the cost of a 150% tariff for the good of their own fans (lol), or they source their things from places other than China (unlike Cover) so they are paying a significantly lower tariff. And hell, more than a few of them source from the US, and the price difference pre-tariff is only like $15, and from past experience is usually higher quality.
Apparently if you want ruin someone's pool by filling it with glitter.
Maybe the price would be worth it if it was one of those 'streamline' suits that make you swim slightly faster.
David Warrick, executive vice president of Overhaul, a supply-chain management company, said most businesses can't absorb tariffs of as high as 145% on goods from China and are passing price hikes onto consumers.
"This is transparency," he said of some retailers' decision to display tariff charges on customer receipts.
Righttt, transparency is so important like when you guys said products were made in sweatshops or by slave labor? Oh wait, it only matters when it’s beneficial to you.
Consumers should understand that this is what you're paying for, and what the cost of trade policy is and how it's uplifting prices," he told CBS MoneyWatch. "It's useful, and a good demonstration of how tariffs are impacting daily spending."
And you’re going to put made with forced labor to lower cost on anything from China right?
Triangl, an online swimwear company, announced that as of April 30, orders from U.S.-based customers will include tariff charges at checkout. On Thursday, a one-piece woman's swimsuit sold on the site with a retail cost of $119 was subject to tax of $12.35, while shipping costs ran $20. Import duties on the item amounted to $211.11, raising the final price to $362.46.
So an already overpriced swim suit from China is now more expensive? Almost like the entire point of tariffs.
Also tariffs aren't calculated at the final retail sales, but at the importers' cost at the port, which I'm guessing is only 20% to 30% of the retail price, even if the exporters and importers and retailers all don't take a portion of the hit and shift it all to the consumers the price should only increase 30% to 40%, but of course the retailers won't show the actual tariffs because people can easily calculate how much they jacked up the retail price for something that cost them $10 shipped from China
The point of the tariffs is to raise the price of imported goods in order to make US made alternatives more competitive. I'm not sure if it's the right move, but I think continuing to fund a country that is most likely going to be our major enemy in the next war by purchasing mountains of cheap crap from them isn't a good idea.
Regarding transparency, I'm all for it: let's also itemize all of our bills to show what the company paid for raw materials, production, shipping, and wages. I'm betting people wouldn't be willing to buy as much stuff or would choose products with a lower price to cost ratio if they had that info.
You want transparency?
How about businesses saying how much more expensive your products are because of labor unions, OSHA nonsense, environmental laws, and general anti-business regulations, and how China doesn't deal with any of that.
Or here's a good one from elsewhere in society: force colleges to publish the difference in SAT scores between their average black student and average white student in their incoming class, and staple that on to every rejection letter they send out to white kids.
OSHA is a good thing. The company I work for would never enforce safety standards or give us PPE if they weren't at risk for getting in trouble with OSHA. You'd see a lot more men getting permanently injured or killed.
Some of it is a good thing, some of it is retarded busywork for union gangsters to create empty jobs.
Yes, some OSHA is a good thing, some of it is unnecessary and expensive and only protects complete morons, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were the usual problems of there being a revolving door between OSHA administrators and executives at companies that make the equipment OSHA mandates, but this is actually all besides the point: Even if OSHA saved a billion lives a year and every policy was wonderful, as long as the US has it and China doesn't, that's an uneven playing field. The choice, assuming zero tariffs, isn't actually between keeping Americans safe or not keeping them safe, it's between not keeping them safe and keeping some of them safer and some of them losing their jobs because they can't compete with countries that don't have those regulations. My actual position isn't that OSHA should be entirely eliminated (although it could certainly be greatly improved), it's that all the regulations I mentioned, including OSHA, should come with a tariff of some appropriate value on all countries that don't enforce an equivalent regulation, or in the long run you're not keeping people safe, you're just moving jobs to China. Having companies put the "OSHA tax" on price tags would help people understand the actual implications of the policies they support.
Yeah.
Perhaps that's the motivation, but I agree the transparency is good, and people paying attention will likely reach different conclusions than just Orange Man Bad.
I also think all taxes should be marked, as the more visible taxes are, the less people will tolerate them.
Correct. If a $119 swimsuit jumps to $360, maybe buy an American made one for $150 or whatever. Or, you know, $30 or something. That's also an option.
But, yeah, if foreign slave labor gets more expensive, that creates more incentive to buy and more importantly produce American goods. That $360 swimsuit is a massive business opportunity for Americans.
But these people pushing this type of stuff think that is impossible without the Chinese slave labor. And not a product of people being either too lazy or too greedy to leave China for somewhere else. I know right now, there is a growing anger on Reddit and Twitter over the fact that Cover/Hololive merch is now extremely expensive. But as much as I like Holo and think Cover is a company that is pretty good in the Vtuber industry, I have to just say it: They did it to themselves.
How do I know it is a Cover problem and not a merch-in-general problem? Because I have gotten merch from other companies or Indie Vtubers that hasnt had a massive tariff tacked on the price. So either these people are eating the cost of a 150% tariff for the good of their own fans (lol), or they source their things from places other than China (unlike Cover) so they are paying a significantly lower tariff. And hell, more than a few of them source from the US, and the price difference pre-tariff is only like $15, and from past experience is usually higher quality.
Companies hate transparency unless it makes them look good. They would never actually show their margins off foreign labor to consumers.
Why would I want a 119 swimsuit
Apparently if you want ruin someone's pool by filling it with glitter.
Maybe the price would be worth it if it was one of those 'streamline' suits that make you swim slightly faster.
If you're fat and you've talked yourself into believing that an expensive swimsuit will somehow trick people into not noticing that.
Surely a big enough brand name will make me attractive.
>letters from "Supreme" brand name get hidden by fat fold, so it reads "Sueme" instead.
horizontal stripes will make everyone think you’re anorexic.
Like putting on miniskirt makes everyone think you’re a woman
maybe its "plus sized". 120 sounds reasonable for a tent.
It's made of solid gold! ...It's not a good swimsuit.
Maybe you should spend $125 on the one made in America.
/that’s the point frens.
Righttt, transparency is so important like when you guys said products were made in sweatshops or by slave labor? Oh wait, it only matters when it’s beneficial to you.
And you’re going to put made with forced labor to lower cost on anything from China right?
So an already overpriced swim suit from China is now more expensive? Almost like the entire point of tariffs.
Also tariffs aren't calculated at the final retail sales, but at the importers' cost at the port, which I'm guessing is only 20% to 30% of the retail price, even if the exporters and importers and retailers all don't take a portion of the hit and shift it all to the consumers the price should only increase 30% to 40%, but of course the retailers won't show the actual tariffs because people can easily calculate how much they jacked up the retail price for something that cost them $10 shipped from China
So someone had some bad data on their website and CBS obediently wrote an article about it.
It will cost you half of your shit in divorce court.