The bit at around four minutes is quite tragic. People rightly mocked Peterson for crying way too much...but at least he cared.
I'd take that over modern, to use his own terms, psychopathic Peterson. Crying, overly-empathetic Peterson was infinitely preferable to this monster.
Him being a smug and hateful bastard in contrast to him crying about the plight of young men...it's tough. Him crying never really touched me...but him crying in contrast to him selling out, it's pretty damn heartbreaking.
It's an utterly devastating comparison. Similar to that meme of Douglas Murray destroying himself, this is Jordan Peterson destroying himself, not in argument, but attitude. Peterson showing empathy, versus Peterson condemning others for not being empathetic.
The body language is also striking. Peterson is essentially two different people at this point. Shockingly, crying Peterson was the better person, by a fucking longshot.
Makes you wonder, was he on drugs back then or now? I'm not talking about recreational but psychological drugs. That change in personality sounds pretty severe.
He went to Russia to go into a months long medically-induced coma in 2020 in order to combat what was at that point a severe addiction to benzos, which has severe enough withdrawal symptoms to potentially have killed him.
How long before that point he was on them I couldn't tell you, but the answer to your initial question is "yes, he was on psychological drugs".
While I comprehend WHY anyone on this site, forced to the margin of discourse as we are, would be aggrieved by that position at first pass, I think you're reading a bit much into it. He's angry at the twitterati, much as we are.
stupid tradcuck takes
Okay, but that's hardly new. His viewpoint was always rooted in the old world of the 20th century consensus.
While I comprehend WHY anyone on this site, forced to the margin of discourse as we are, would be aggrieved by that position at first pass, I think you're reading a bit much into it.
"This goes against everything you stand for, but you're reading too much into it, bud."
He's angry at the twitterati, much as we are.
Not sure what exactly the "Twitterati" is, but whoever they are is afforded to the same free and anonymous speech as we are. Anyone who would say otherwise, or defend other people who are campaigning for the alternative, do not actually believe in free speech.
"He's angry," is not an excuse, if he's railing against everything we've always defended.
In what way could you possibly describe JP as "selling out"?
To the Daily Wire, evil, and Zionism; and against the disaffected male he championed for so long? Did you watch the video?
I admire much of what Peterson did, and will always defend him for his positive contributions, but he's a shadow of his former self. That was clear for quite some time, and his recent behavior isn't even novel.
Peterson is a sad joke at this point, and he's on the side of evil.
The bit at around four minutes is quite tragic. People rightly mocked Peterson for crying way too much...but at least he cared.
I'm not sure this is true, at least not for the clip featured. This was already late stage Peterson in Sept 2022, after whatever damage one may speculate he suffered from the benzos episode. Musk completed the Twitter takeover only one month later. By December 2022 Peterson was already ranting about 'anonymous coward troll demons'.
Whatever is making him cry here (and it wasn't the last time he spun some Tears For Piers) I think it's too simple to ring it up as pure empathy. Probably a lot of ambivalence and confusion which was making it difficult to know what to say or think. The deadpan 'sure. why not,' in response to Piers asking him whether he championed incels, felt like an unenthusiastic way to commit to that stance, so I think his stance was already changing.
This one is really interesting.
The bit at around four minutes is quite tragic. People rightly mocked Peterson for crying way too much...but at least he cared.
I'd take that over modern, to use his own terms, psychopathic Peterson. Crying, overly-empathetic Peterson was infinitely preferable to this monster.
Him being a smug and hateful bastard in contrast to him crying about the plight of young men...it's tough. Him crying never really touched me...but him crying in contrast to him selling out, it's pretty damn heartbreaking.
It's an utterly devastating comparison. Similar to that meme of Douglas Murray destroying himself, this is Jordan Peterson destroying himself, not in argument, but attitude. Peterson showing empathy, versus Peterson condemning others for not being empathetic.
The body language is also striking. Peterson is essentially two different people at this point. Shockingly, crying Peterson was the better person, by a fucking longshot.
What happened to you, man?
Peterson turned against the "incels" the moment they started talking against jews.
It's amazing how many people just shut down whenever you bring them up. Not even in a con pro way, just noticing trends and patterns.
Makes you wonder, was he on drugs back then or now? I'm not talking about recreational but psychological drugs. That change in personality sounds pretty severe.
He went to Russia to go into a months long medically-induced coma in 2020 in order to combat what was at that point a severe addiction to benzos, which has severe enough withdrawal symptoms to potentially have killed him.
How long before that point he was on them I couldn't tell you, but the answer to your initial question is "yes, he was on psychological drugs".
In what way could you possibly describe JP as "selling out"?
His crusade against online anonymity and stupid tradcuck takes come to mind.
While I comprehend WHY anyone on this site, forced to the margin of discourse as we are, would be aggrieved by that position at first pass, I think you're reading a bit much into it. He's angry at the twitterati, much as we are.
Okay, but that's hardly new. His viewpoint was always rooted in the old world of the 20th century consensus.
"This goes against everything you stand for, but you're reading too much into it, bud."
Not sure what exactly the "Twitterati" is, but whoever they are is afforded to the same free and anonymous speech as we are. Anyone who would say otherwise, or defend other people who are campaigning for the alternative, do not actually believe in free speech.
"He's angry," is not an excuse, if he's railing against everything we've always defended.
Working for the Daily Wire.
To the Daily Wire, evil, and Zionism; and against the disaffected male he championed for so long? Did you watch the video?
I admire much of what Peterson did, and will always defend him for his positive contributions, but he's a shadow of his former self. That was clear for quite some time, and his recent behavior isn't even novel.
Peterson is a sad joke at this point, and he's on the side of evil.
Did you just come out of a coma? JP has been utterly converged.
I'm not sure this is true, at least not for the clip featured. This was already late stage Peterson in Sept 2022, after whatever damage one may speculate he suffered from the benzos episode. Musk completed the Twitter takeover only one month later. By December 2022 Peterson was already ranting about 'anonymous coward troll demons'.
Whatever is making him cry here (and it wasn't the last time he spun some Tears For Piers) I think it's too simple to ring it up as pure empathy. Probably a lot of ambivalence and confusion which was making it difficult to know what to say or think. The deadpan 'sure. why not,' in response to Piers asking him whether he championed incels, felt like an unenthusiastic way to commit to that stance, so I think his stance was already changing.