"you just need to learn 2000 kanji, bro" yea, kanji is a bitch and I still cannot wrap my head around some. Probably know a couple hundred and even then I need to check to be sure. Japanese ain't easy, however actually make an effort if you live there like with any other language.
Yeah I wish they just used katakana for everything, but at least speaking it isn't too complicated once you understand how their sentence structure works.
Wouldn't be very readable unless they added spaces too, and books/newspapers would have to be larger to fit the expanded text. You know what I mean if you've tried ever to play old games where everything is katakana because that's all they could fit on the rom at the time.
Imo they could keep a few hundred kanji for historical and syntactical reasons. In general, a native speaker should have completely mastered reading and writing by the 4th-5th grade. Any kanji that is currently taught in middle school and beyond should be dropped from the standard language.
You would lose out on a lot of context since some words just are the same. In conversation it matters not unless someone likes to be very puny, in written however I would say it would make it much harder.
No you don’t. Katakana is retarded because there are so many homonyms and Japanese has no functional punctuation and grammar structures. Kanji is critical because otherwise you’d have to read everything like 3 times.
If they prefer that, sure. But other cultures like the French despise foreigners trying to stumble through French and their dozens of redundant grammar rules.
I was going to mention that. The people of France (in general) despise 2 things more that tourists who cannot speak French:
those who try to learn a few dozen words
those from Quebec who speak "Quebecois" 😋
A guy I knew went to France for 3 months as a young man. He'd get dirty looks for his French (his family was half French & spoke it pretty well) but he'd explain he wasn't from Quebec, he was from Manitoba. Almost every time they'd go "Ah!" and immediately be nice :>
Japanese complaining about gaijins who took low level/undesirable temp jobs because of the slightly higher pay than their own countries, jobs that didn't require fluency in Japanese by the government and companies
Japanese won't speak Japanese to gaijins who are making an effort to learn Japanese to stay there long term because they don't speak fluent Japanese yet
When I was there, I knew very little. I had to lean heavily on broken sentences and phrases like daijobu "It's fine / I'm fine / that's fine" depending on context, and sumimasen "I'm sorry" I did memorize this phrase 私は日本語をあまり上手に話せないので、現在勉強中です。 Which means I am too stupid for japanese, but I am learning as fast as I can. Which would usually get a laugh. Especially if I followed that up with pointing a thumb to myself and saying "baka no canada-jin" which means stupid canadian guy.
I did hire a translator for a few days, and probably peppered that poor girl with just as much annoyance as I did questions. But I genuinely wanted to learn. There are some difficult positions to twist your tongue, mouth and lips into if you are not used to it. My mouth always felt tired and sore after speaking japanese for too long.
I learned that speaking english directly to someone makes people around downtown Tokyo think it's freeze tag, because that's the outcome. So if you don't have a phone that can translate on the fly for signs/whatever. You're going to need to learn quick.
If you want a slightly more lenient surroundings, Osaka is a better choice. And if you want a very laid back attitude where they seem to enjoy foreigners, or are not immediately short with you, there's a little town in in Chiba called Kamogawa that was pretty cool. Their english was better than mine. I didn't hear the engrish I had grown accustomed to elsewhere in Japan.
Kyoto seemed to recoil in horror at my japanese. But I was told that almost everyone in Kyoto is like that, even to the Japanese that don't live in Kyoto, due to Kyoto ruling the country for a thousand years before Tokyo took over for only a hundred and a bit. So everyone is like a country bumpkin to them.
I could get into how the japanese love to short form longer words into new phrases that simply start with the first letter or syllable of the first word they're shortening down, and the last word or letter in the final word of the phrase they're squeezing down into the new word. And for a lot of things, that made them sound like mosquitos buzzing around each other. I'd hear things like Ossss or Zassss or Shasss or Ahssss, and it was a conversation.
To compare that to english, it was like the apostrophe contraction. But instead of one or two letters. (Like they're instead of they are, or that's instead of that is), it just contracts whole words, sometimes multiple words. And that can be confusing if you don't know what's being contracted. Like I didn't.
Hah he flips with the slightest criticism from the left, he changed again, now it's a frustrated white woman, God forbids any implications of black incompetency
I mean, fair. At least make an attempt to speak the native language if you're going to be there for a while.
I will forgive writing it though as Kanji is HARD even for the Japanese.
"you just need to learn 2000 kanji, bro" yea, kanji is a bitch and I still cannot wrap my head around some. Probably know a couple hundred and even then I need to check to be sure. Japanese ain't easy, however actually make an effort if you live there like with any other language.
Yeah I wish they just used katakana for everything, but at least speaking it isn't too complicated once you understand how their sentence structure works.
Wouldn't be very readable unless they added spaces too, and books/newspapers would have to be larger to fit the expanded text. You know what I mean if you've tried ever to play old games where everything is katakana because that's all they could fit on the rom at the time.
Imo they could keep a few hundred kanji for historical and syntactical reasons. In general, a native speaker should have completely mastered reading and writing by the 4th-5th grade. Any kanji that is currently taught in middle school and beyond should be dropped from the standard language.
You would lose out on a lot of context since some words just are the same. In conversation it matters not unless someone likes to be very puny, in written however I would say it would make it much harder.
No you don’t. Katakana is retarded because there are so many homonyms and Japanese has no functional punctuation and grammar structures. Kanji is critical because otherwise you’d have to read everything like 3 times.
If they prefer that, sure. But other cultures like the French despise foreigners trying to stumble through French and their dozens of redundant grammar rules.
The French are cunts though.
I was going to mention that. The people of France (in general) despise 2 things more that tourists who cannot speak French:
A guy I knew went to France for 3 months as a young man. He'd get dirty looks for his French (his family was half French & spoke it pretty well) but he'd explain he wasn't from Quebec, he was from Manitoba. Almost every time they'd go "Ah!" and immediately be nice :>
Seems to be two separate problems
Japanese complaining about gaijins who took low level/undesirable temp jobs because of the slightly higher pay than their own countries, jobs that didn't require fluency in Japanese by the government and companies
Japanese won't speak Japanese to gaijins who are making an effort to learn Japanese to stay there long term because they don't speak fluent Japanese yet
When I was there, I knew very little. I had to lean heavily on broken sentences and phrases like daijobu "It's fine / I'm fine / that's fine" depending on context, and sumimasen "I'm sorry" I did memorize this phrase 私は日本語をあまり上手に話せないので、現在勉強中です。 Which means I am too stupid for japanese, but I am learning as fast as I can. Which would usually get a laugh. Especially if I followed that up with pointing a thumb to myself and saying "baka no canada-jin" which means stupid canadian guy.
I did hire a translator for a few days, and probably peppered that poor girl with just as much annoyance as I did questions. But I genuinely wanted to learn. There are some difficult positions to twist your tongue, mouth and lips into if you are not used to it. My mouth always felt tired and sore after speaking japanese for too long.
I learned that speaking english directly to someone makes people around downtown Tokyo think it's freeze tag, because that's the outcome. So if you don't have a phone that can translate on the fly for signs/whatever. You're going to need to learn quick.
If you want a slightly more lenient surroundings, Osaka is a better choice. And if you want a very laid back attitude where they seem to enjoy foreigners, or are not immediately short with you, there's a little town in in Chiba called Kamogawa that was pretty cool. Their english was better than mine. I didn't hear the engrish I had grown accustomed to elsewhere in Japan.
Kyoto seemed to recoil in horror at my japanese. But I was told that almost everyone in Kyoto is like that, even to the Japanese that don't live in Kyoto, due to Kyoto ruling the country for a thousand years before Tokyo took over for only a hundred and a bit. So everyone is like a country bumpkin to them.
I could get into how the japanese love to short form longer words into new phrases that simply start with the first letter or syllable of the first word they're shortening down, and the last word or letter in the final word of the phrase they're squeezing down into the new word. And for a lot of things, that made them sound like mosquitos buzzing around each other. I'd hear things like Ossss or Zassss or Shasss or Ahssss, and it was a conversation.
To compare that to english, it was like the apostrophe contraction. But instead of one or two letters. (Like they're instead of they are, or that's instead of that is), it just contracts whole words, sometimes multiple words. And that can be confusing if you don't know what's being contracted. Like I didn't.
The problem isn't that they aren't learning Japanese. The problem is that you allowed them into Japan.
Lol he changed the thumbnail. https://files.catbox.moe/2bbe5i.PNG
Hah he flips with the slightest criticism from the left, he changed again, now it's a frustrated white woman, God forbids any implications of black incompetency