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New Texas bill trying to ban sexual images of children apparently is so loosely worded that it allegedly can be used to ban anime and manga (twitter.com)
posted 2 months ago by onetruephilosoraptor 2 months ago by onetruephilosoraptor +67 / -2
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– ApparentlyImAHeretic 15 points 2 months ago +17 / -2

here is the bill page: https://capitol.texas.gov/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=89R&amp=&Bill=SB20

The bill explicitly includes "cartoon or animation", but refers to the existing definitions of obscene material when describing what depicted acts are banned. Essentially, any pornographic depiction of a minor, real or not, becomes a felony.

This is an explicit socalled loli/shota/pedo ban, but I don't see how it can ban anime.

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– BeefyBelisarius 4 points 2 months ago +7 / -3

OP probably thinks it would also include any fan service, but that would only be the case if the existing definitions include underwear advertisements as obscene.

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– onetruephilosoraptor [S] 15 points 2 months ago +16 / -1

This bill is similar to the Protect Act of 2003 which the Supreme Court of the U.S. struck down

It depends on what counts as obscene.

The bill doesn't clearly limit what is considered obscene

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– LauriThorne 3 points 2 months ago +3 / -0

Because it doesn't have to, it refers to another bill that defines what is obscene. You'll have to look at that bill before saying what it will or will not ban.

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– llirrem 1 point 2 months ago +1 / -0

Technically the SC didn't "strike down" the Protect Act, only parts of it. And their ruling basically said "go read Ashcroft v FSC".

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– dagthegnome -6 points 2 months ago +4 / -10

The deliberate ambiguity around the ages of many anime characters makes it into something of a gray area. I'm pretty firmly against any censorship unless a real child is being victimized, but as a fervent anime-hater, I think it might also be a good idea for anime fans to stop and think about why that ambiguity is so common, and what it says about the medium as a whole.

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– el_hoovy -17 points 2 months ago +5 / -22

ban anime.

take a guess, half the shit on the market has half-naked kids in it that people like OP love.

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– onetruephilosoraptor [S] 11 points 2 months ago +13 / -2

Disgusting slander

I am not a fan of lolicon or shotacon

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– el_hoovy -15 points 2 months ago +5 / -20

look man, i believe you. i don't think everyone on here is a pedophile. that shit's a hardcore accusation and there's not that many kiddie diddlers around, even on a fringe place like this.

but it's just plain weird how every time someone talks about how sexualized japanese cartoons are and how often the chicks in there look really young, you guys come straight out of the woodwork and yell "free speech, free speech, the puritans are banning my innocent cartoons". it's bizarre and off-putting how willing you are to snuggle right up to an industry known for selling softcore almost-child porn to lonely japs, even if you claim to only watch the stuff that's nothing like that.

these "you know it when you see it" obscenity laws aren't some plot by Big Puritan to get rid of your asian addiction, they're exactly what you'd expect: people trying to get rid of the 3000 year old dragons. there's no way to oppose them without looking strange. look at the twitter replies, man, it's people just posting half-naked chicks going "which one's a child, huh, huh?". it's deranged. it's not normal people behavior. that's why you face so much pushback, not because people are afraid of fucking cartoons.

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– SendTomBoys 18 points 2 months ago +20 / -2

It's just plain weird how every time we call you fucking fascists, Nazis, that you whine and complain and start wallering on about how those are frivolous claims, and even though there are definitely literal Nazis in your proximity, you say guilt by proximity and association is wrong.

Don't you see how weird that it is to normal people? You rightoids could literally just stop supporting Trump and conservative values and then we could stop calling you Nazis.

That's how fucking disingenuous and retarded you sound, btw. Goddamn nigger

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– DemolitionsPanda 3 points 2 months ago +3 / -0

So, to be clear.

A person takes a blank piece of paper and a pencil. They draw something. They are then arrested, convicted of a felony and then added to a sex offender register for life.

And you think this is a good idea? You celebrate this law?

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– GhostBond 3 points 2 months ago +3 / -0

these "you know it when you see it" obscenity laws aren't some plot by Big Puritan

They absolutely are a plot by the older generation to not "feel bad" about their lost youth by erasing every element of it from the sight of society.

We live in a gerontocracy where every political narrative revolves around appealing to the elderly.

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