Thomas Massie's door in congress . Lmao based
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Antisemitic door sign.
Every nation has first tried a peaceful means of coexistence and been met by violence and subversion.
Hate to say it but they got to go.
Who the hell are you talking about?
Hamas, of course. /s
Those damn...
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Irish!
As per a telegram I "follow" :
Did you know that Thomas Massie:
▪️ Opposed funding for Trump’s border wall.
▪️ Supported certifying the 2020 election results on January 6th.
▪️ Voted in favor of raising the debt ceiling.
▪️ Took actions to defend Adam Schiff.
▪️ Publicly backed Ron DeSantis.
▪️ Campaigned on behalf of Mitch McConnell.
▪️ Criticized Devin Nunes, the person who played a key role in uncovering the Deep State’s surveillance of President Trump.
And the worst part? Some people still think he’s a patriot!
Thomas Massie might just be the most despicable figure in a Deep State that’s already overflowing with corruption.
Interesting.
I agree that voting in contrarian ways 'safely' is Kayfabe behavior at best.
I also wonder where his wife dying falls on the timeline relative to these? (July 2024 was her passing, do you have dates/sources for the others?)
I ask because there's a possibility that her safety was their leash on him, and he's a loose cannon/liability to the deep-state at this point; people willing to be a monkey-wrench/spoiler should be offered at least token support if they're willing to go against the grain to kill spending/raise AIPAC awareness/etc.
I don't have sources, I just came across it and threw it up for the sake of the discussion, or at the very least to reinforce that there's one hell of a smear campaign going on against him at the moment
I don't know how it relates to these, but I know it came very shortly after his Tucker appearance where he talked about AIPAC influence.
I can't talk to all of these, but doesn't he vote against all bills that aren't balanced? Not saying it's the right call, but Massie opposes government spending, and Trump wanted to spend more money for the wall.
Massie voted for a CR that came with a promised cut in spending.
Devin Nunes has done some cringe shit, and is not above criticism. I'd need to know what, why, and when Massie criticized him for.
The Ron DeSantis thing is, in my opinion, his biggest blunder. That was some stupid 'stand on principle' shit, which he's usually good on, but this one missed the mark both in principle (again, my opinion), and just optically. It was stupid, and I won't defend that, other than to say Massie can support whoever he wants, but I think he was wrong with his choice.
Perhaps most importantly, I'm noticing a lot of this sort of thing, and I suspect someone in Trump's circle is putting out anti-Massie attack vectors. The timing is suspicious. Everyone is free to make up their own minds, of course, but I personally find this 'Massie bad, actually' stuff pretty transparent.
Yeah, I don’t think he’s necessarily “deep state compromised” or whatever. I do think he has some bad instincts, puts his ideal outcomes ahead of reality, and is the type of person to potentially sink the ship in a dumb attempt to get his way. See: voting against the border wall because all spending is bad spending.
I’m not all in on Massie bad, but neither am I going to play the “Massie’s a true patriot, and Trump never should have called him out!” game. The outcome I’m hoping for here is that Massie concedes to follow a bit more of Trump’s agrnda, and Trump starts being friendly with him in return.
Also, posts like the picture in OP just feel like ballwashing. Every politician can put some fiery slogan on their door. It’s about half a step up from a bumper sticker on their car, and is pretty much the lowest bar I can imagine for political action. But because Massie did it, he’s such a brave firebrand.
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I’m out of the loop - did trump get angry with massie not supporting israel?
Massie voted against the continuing resolution on the budget, allowing the government to continue operating at existing funding levels, rather than shut down. He was also, to my knowledge, the only representative to do so. Publicly, this is the reason Trump is upset with him, but, as you recognized, there are other areas that they don't align and this could just be cover.
Honestly, and this isn't aimed at you specifically, and I could be in the wrong here, but I wish people would stop focusing on this element of Massie. It's possible this is some Zionist-motivated attack (I believe they probably already killed Massie's wife, so it's certainly not out of the question), but I don't think it does anyone any favors to act like Massie is some antizionist crusader or something.
It's not his prime feature, or his best feature. He's not even antizionist or antisemitic; he's anti foreign interference, he's pro freedom, and he's pro America/n.
The truly radical thing about Massie isn't that he hates Israel (he doesn't), it's that he wants a smaller, more free, less corrupt government. And, yes, that clashes with Israel's interests, but painting him as "the anti-Israel congressman," as I said, isn't doing anyone any favors, and isn't even accurate.
Massie is great. But it's not exclusively or primarily because he doesn't want foreign interests in American politics.
The entire discourse among the right wing right now is this, however, and that seems to be all it will ever be. Just people boiling each other down to single elements, single factors and then campaigning to destroy one another over it.
A few years back it was the "loli question" which basically destroyed half of any "alt-tech" right wing figures tried to build. Now its the Jewish one.
Nothing else matters whatsoever about a person or their politics. They are judged entirely on a binary of their stance on the issue, with only extreme answers allowed as anything but is considered just being the opposite side anyway, and if they don't align with you they must be destroyed.
I don't even disagree with some of these stances, but it feels completely nonsensical to believe "every person on Earth is as simple minded as me, and thereby their belief on this issue effects everything they do."
And it's sad and retarded.
It's also interesting that the most hardcore anti-Jew people sound exactly like, let me think...AIPAC!
"Thomas Massie hates Israel and the Jews" is exactly what the Israeli lobby is, well, lobbying for. Portraying Massie as an anti-Israel radical is just playing into their hands.
It's stupid on the facts, and it's definitely stupid tactically too.
I can't read Massie's mind, but I don't think he gives a shit about Israel one way or the other. He actually thinks it's a nice country. He just doesn't want undo influence in our own system. If Israel can exist over there, and not fuck with us over here, who cares, seems to be the reasoning. Massie is a libertarian crusader, not an anything else crusader.
The purity spiral is incredibly destructive. And often encouraged by the very people who actually pose a threat, and who need to be defeated. Like what they did to Occupy Wallstreet, and the Tea Party movement. Woke is a weapon, whether that's woke leftists, the real woke right, or JQ woke. It's divide and concur, or at least can be used that way. And that doesn't mean there aren't real issues there, for the record. Quite the opposite. They inject woke in there exactly because the discussions are threatening to power structures and have to be corroded.
Which is why I can't stand the anti-Stormfags or the Stormfags, if either are incapable of keeping their chill or having an adult conversation. I don't care if you hate the Jews or love the Jews, if all you can do is attack people for not exactly sharing your perspective, and you can't help but try to inject that perspective at ever corner, into every conversation, and you can't help but attack everyone else...yeah, sort yourself out first. Then we can talk. Yeah, that sounds pretty "woke."
A trap I've noticed too many fall into is "I'm right I don't need to adapt or sell my side, anyone who disagrees with me is too stupid to matter."
It would be nice if we lived in a world where the truth was all that mattered and everyone just flocked to the side that had it, but that's childish to even consider it possible.
And what's really funny is all the NPCs on our side got uploaded with the "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE WOKE RIGHT" narrative over the Winter and now they like to pretend our side is just immune to all the tactics and nonsense that worked on the Left.
Personally I just want to have a clear "process." Something that moves us towards their "preferred solution."
Too many are so lost in the "THIS IS A PROBLEM AND WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT" they haven't actually sorted out how to solve it. They will dance around it with coy responses that are basically saying "genocide them" with flowery words, but won't actually put that on record. Let alone actually explain how they plan to do so, or the requirements for it (is 1/16th a nigger? Is an Irish man who converted one despite lacking any genetic component a Jew? etc.).
Which, if that's what you think the only solution is that's fine. Heck I'm prone to leaning towards it regarding our black problem in America. But you need to actually recognize both how unrealistic it is, and thereby not be upset when most people don't align on it, and how far away we are from that becoming a common viewpoint.
We aren't going to get a true anti-Israel politician off the ground any time soon, but we might within the next decade. But to do so means starting with groundwork now to make that both possible (dismantling the power structures that basically outfund any one who runs on that) and taking steps towards making that a commonly held belief (which means selling our position to normies bit by bit).
Not just stupid, but evil, and My Enemy! I must immediate attack this person in the most retarded way possible, gaining no traction with them or anyone watching. And if you think I'm a lunatic, that just means you haven't done your research, or are a shill.
As a sensible alternative to selling a position, have you considered sperging the fuck out on anyone who dares to ask you to elaborate? That seems deeply productive, unlike that gay 'actually having an argument' thing!
I mean, it's very important to recognize that "the woke right" is not the actual woke right. There is a woke right, but it's not the people who get labeled that, it's usually actually the people doing the labeling. Tucker gets accused of wokeness all the time, for example. Tucker is not the woke right.
I think it was you who I was talking to it about a few weeks back, but when the phrase "woke right" got used, we all knew who it was meant to label. It was even being effective at shutting down people for good reason and explaining why to those who asked.
Now we have to jump through all these hoops and play these language games, because our own side literally bent over and let the Left and Elite psyop them into going full contrarian and pretending its a completely made up thing that cannot exist at all.
Simple. How many Republicans has Trump threatened to primary over disagreements?
No. Trump shit-talked him over his vote against the budget continuing resolution.
In private, maybe, but the reason he's saying is because Massie was the only Republican to vote against the budget bill. Even though his vote wouldn't have mattered.
More theater.
Except for all his shilling for Zog DeSantis, the "I go to Israel to sign documents relating to Florida" guy.
Massie has balls