Making smug, self-righteous, preemptive insult posts before anything even happens is gay fucking redditor behavior you should not be emulating. It's as bad as all the retards screeching about "stormfags" and "conpro" like they're lurking around every corner.
Pro-porn? Or anti-banning adults from doing what they want with their own bodies?
Pro-porn.
Did I stutter?
Personally, I'm not for banning porn, because I think the ban would lead to even worse things than the porn does...and wouldn't even work. Prohibition doesn't work, and is a slippery slope of authoritarianism, generally.
I'll still criticize the, to quote OP, "it's actually healthy for you" retards. Porn sucks, and is unhealthy; anyone defending it on 'it's totally fine' grounds is just wrong. So I do mean "pro-porn" not just "anti-banning-porn," and I think the latter is largely the correct stance, actually.
While this is true, I’m unsure why both sides have such contempt for each other. MGTOW brilliantly identifies a problem and places like KIA2 & ConPro identity solutions.
And that does need to be acknowledged, yes. But a huge chunk of that sphere are themselves cultists and, not using this as an ad hominem but, yes, 'bitter losers' as someone else said, by definition.
Doesn't mean the game is fair, but they've embraced the loser/victim mentality, which is why I think they can be called that. Doesn't mean they should be dismissed and, as you say, they have good points too...but that movement is toxic sludge.
And yet I was banned from their sub for calling them losers because they were promoting using porn and prostitutes as "safer" and more "fulfilling" than pursuing an actual relationship with a woman. They also defend going overseas for sex tourism. Have you not seen what goes on over there? They're all bitter, miserable losers who are projecting their trauma as a "lifestyle".
Either you're a man who's "slaying it" with multiple women, you're in a long term relationship or you're a, what was it? "Bitter, miserable loser"?
An ad-hominem that was no different from the UK Prime Minister calling single men "misfits" and "loners". Either way, there's one group of men that you and him appear to have absolute contempt for. I have a better idea, how about challenging and critiquing their concept of self-determination for men and providing a better case for why every man should be in a relationship and getting married using facts, evidence and logic?
Well, if they’re pretty much banning women from their lives then yeah they’re going to promote it and other alternatives. Not sure why you’re acting surprised about this conclusion.
How can I be "surprised" if I was calling them out in advance? Dudes that think women on Bumble want to cheat them out of their '07 Hyundai Elantra in divorce court, but that a hooker (especially those overseas) can always be trusted to deal in fair business. Now make yourself useful and try to talk them off that ledge.
In before the losers at c/MGTOW flood the comments with "it's actually healthy for you" and "I can quit whenever I want."
Porn is indeed a problem, and many men on MGTOW are addicted to porn, but it's hardly only these men who promote the addiction to sex. Many 'simps' and 'tradcucks' are just as addicted to sex. A strong motivator of their behavior is their sexual attraction to women and they expect or promote other men to be equally driven by sexual attraction.
That's not to say that sexual attract in itself is wrong, but it needs to be regulated by our reason. And many, or perhaps most, modern men fail badly at this. I see it as all part of a continuum - society promotes the idea that achieving sex with a woman is the greatest good a man can achieve. Some foot soldiers try to herd men in the direction of a marriage where the needs of the woman is the main importance. Others promote the idea of 'serving' women with the implied 'reward' of sexual access to woman. Others, having internalized these messages, seek to obtain sexual fulfillment through other means (e.g. porn), and in doing so, make themselves even more open to political control.
The correct path, of course, is for all men to embrace chastity. If this means celibacy for many men, so be it. A wise man once said:
Thus, a good man, though a slave, is free; but a wicked man, though a king, is a slave. For he serves, not one man alone, but what is worse, as many masters as he has vices.
Each of us has a calling. For some that many be to marry and have children. For others, it will be to be something else. Sexual perversion and and the inability to control our sexual desires is a sure way to lead us astray or away from that calling.
Many 'simps' and 'tradcucks' are just as addicted to sex.
Perhaps, but here's the difference: "simps" and "tradcucks" aren't preaching to men that women should be avoided completely while ALSO defending the use of porn exclusively. MGTOW does. MGTOW is poisoning young men, telling them "Don't chase girls, but do watch other dudes fuck girls ... for your safety."
MGTOW is for LOSERS with a capital "L". They're no better than poor college students chanting "Eat the Rich." It's not that they hate the rich, it's that they hate that they're not rich. MIGTOW doesn't really hate women, they hate that they can't get the women they want. Otherwise, why would they watch the same hot women get fucked by other dudes? Why would they advocate dealing with hookers known to drug, rob and kill men?
Their "philosophy" is completely untenable and contradictory, which in turn exposes them as bitter LOSERS.
There are plenty of inconsistencies in what simps and tradcucks preach. But that's beside the point. The reason "MGTOW" men exist is because modern Western society sets up men to be addicted to women sexually. Otherwise these men would simply go their own way and be celibate monks or similar, and you wouldn't hear from them.
Instead, we have men who aren't interested in (or have decided against) relationships with women, but are still desperate for sex - so we end up with men who can't overcome their addiction and turn to porn, hookers etc. Calling them losers might make you feel all high and mighty, but is (1) a rather poor analysis of the issue and (2) doesn't do anything to actually help.
MGTOW needs to purge the losers in their ranks who have embraced and preach their victim mindset. They can start there.
Women don't owe them their bodies. They call men like me "tradcucks" yet, when asked what their ideal "situation" would be, start painting a scene from the "tradcucked" 1950's. Proving yet again and again that they don't have any ideas or solutions of their own, they're just envious of what they don't have AND are unwilling to go out into the world to find or make for themselves. They're cowards and bitter losers and they don't deserve any sympathy or respect.
The Lord is perfect, The Lord is Great, The Lord is Good. The Lord is all-powerful, and knowing the future and past, knowing all life, the Lord made me a degen, so... That must be part of God's plan. As I fap, I shall have faith that it is according to the great plan He has written out for me, for if He did not want me this way, I would not be this way, such is the nature of the omnipotent, the infinite. The Lord is not a stranger to creating wretches with full knowledge of what they will do, for the Lord made Satan himself with full omniscient knowledge of what was to pass. I am honored to be a wretch of the Lord.
In before the losers at c/MGTOW flood the comments with "it's actually healthy for you" and "I can quit whenever I want." 🙄
Making smug, self-righteous, preemptive insult posts before anything even happens is gay fucking redditor behavior you should not be emulating. It's as bad as all the retards screeching about "stormfags" and "conpro" like they're lurking around every corner.
You're right, but he's also got a point that there are a bunch of extremely pro-porn people who pop up from time to time.
As opposed to the anti porn people, who should never be criticized apparently
Pro-porn? Or anti-banning adults from doing what they want with their own bodies?
Pro-porn.
Did I stutter?
Personally, I'm not for banning porn, because I think the ban would lead to even worse things than the porn does...and wouldn't even work. Prohibition doesn't work, and is a slippery slope of authoritarianism, generally.
I'll still criticize the, to quote OP, "it's actually healthy for you" retards. Porn sucks, and is unhealthy; anyone defending it on 'it's totally fine' grounds is just wrong. So I do mean "pro-porn" not just "anti-banning-porn," and I think the latter is largely the correct stance, actually.
A good portion of porn traffic is minors. All states are doing is asking for ID and the porn sites themselves are freaking out and blocking IPs.
While this is true, I’m unsure why both sides have such contempt for each other. MGTOW brilliantly identifies a problem and places like KIA2 & ConPro identity solutions.
And that does need to be acknowledged, yes. But a huge chunk of that sphere are themselves cultists and, not using this as an ad hominem but, yes, 'bitter losers' as someone else said, by definition.
Doesn't mean the game is fair, but they've embraced the loser/victim mentality, which is why I think they can be called that. Doesn't mean they should be dismissed and, as you say, they have good points too...but that movement is toxic sludge.
1,000%
They claim to hate women so much, yet defend their addiction to watching other dudes fuck the women they want. LOL.
That's what we get for allowing interlopers in.
And yet I was banned from their sub for calling them losers because they were promoting using porn and prostitutes as "safer" and more "fulfilling" than pursuing an actual relationship with a woman. They also defend going overseas for sex tourism. Have you not seen what goes on over there? They're all bitter, miserable losers who are projecting their trauma as a "lifestyle".
Nothing you just said has anything to do with his point that making smug, holier than thou preemptive posts is gay redditor behavior.
In fact, going "umm ackshually they are like super bad thinkers" to dodge when you are criticized is even more gay redditor behavior.
Maybe you were just banned for being unlikeable.
Either you're a man who's "slaying it" with multiple women, you're in a long term relationship or you're a, what was it? "Bitter, miserable loser"?
An ad-hominem that was no different from the UK Prime Minister calling single men "misfits" and "loners". Either way, there's one group of men that you and him appear to have absolute contempt for. I have a better idea, how about challenging and critiquing their concept of self-determination for men and providing a better case for why every man should be in a relationship and getting married using facts, evidence and logic?
Well, if they’re pretty much banning women from their lives then yeah they’re going to promote it and other alternatives. Not sure why you’re acting surprised about this conclusion.
How can I be "surprised" if I was calling them out in advance? Dudes that think women on Bumble want to cheat them out of their '07 Hyundai Elantra in divorce court, but that a hooker (especially those overseas) can always be trusted to deal in fair business. Now make yourself useful and try to talk them off that ledge.
Yeah. Say what you want about porn, but at the very least the adamant defense of it is rather sad.
Porn is indeed a problem, and many men on MGTOW are addicted to porn, but it's hardly only these men who promote the addiction to sex. Many 'simps' and 'tradcucks' are just as addicted to sex. A strong motivator of their behavior is their sexual attraction to women and they expect or promote other men to be equally driven by sexual attraction.
That's not to say that sexual attract in itself is wrong, but it needs to be regulated by our reason. And many, or perhaps most, modern men fail badly at this. I see it as all part of a continuum - society promotes the idea that achieving sex with a woman is the greatest good a man can achieve. Some foot soldiers try to herd men in the direction of a marriage where the needs of the woman is the main importance. Others promote the idea of 'serving' women with the implied 'reward' of sexual access to woman. Others, having internalized these messages, seek to obtain sexual fulfillment through other means (e.g. porn), and in doing so, make themselves even more open to political control.
The correct path, of course, is for all men to embrace chastity. If this means celibacy for many men, so be it. A wise man once said: Thus, a good man, though a slave, is free; but a wicked man, though a king, is a slave. For he serves, not one man alone, but what is worse, as many masters as he has vices.
Each of us has a calling. For some that many be to marry and have children. For others, it will be to be something else. Sexual perversion and and the inability to control our sexual desires is a sure way to lead us astray or away from that calling.
Embrace chastity, brothers.
Perhaps, but here's the difference: "simps" and "tradcucks" aren't preaching to men that women should be avoided completely while ALSO defending the use of porn exclusively. MGTOW does. MGTOW is poisoning young men, telling them "Don't chase girls, but do watch other dudes fuck girls ... for your safety."
MGTOW is for LOSERS with a capital "L". They're no better than poor college students chanting "Eat the Rich." It's not that they hate the rich, it's that they hate that they're not rich. MIGTOW doesn't really hate women, they hate that they can't get the women they want. Otherwise, why would they watch the same hot women get fucked by other dudes? Why would they advocate dealing with hookers known to drug, rob and kill men?
Their "philosophy" is completely untenable and contradictory, which in turn exposes them as bitter LOSERS.
There are plenty of inconsistencies in what simps and tradcucks preach. But that's beside the point. The reason "MGTOW" men exist is because modern Western society sets up men to be addicted to women sexually. Otherwise these men would simply go their own way and be celibate monks or similar, and you wouldn't hear from them.
Instead, we have men who aren't interested in (or have decided against) relationships with women, but are still desperate for sex - so we end up with men who can't overcome their addiction and turn to porn, hookers etc. Calling them losers might make you feel all high and mighty, but is (1) a rather poor analysis of the issue and (2) doesn't do anything to actually help.
MGTOW needs to purge the losers in their ranks who have embraced and preach their victim mindset. They can start there.
Women don't owe them their bodies. They call men like me "tradcucks" yet, when asked what their ideal "situation" would be, start painting a scene from the "tradcucked" 1950's. Proving yet again and again that they don't have any ideas or solutions of their own, they're just envious of what they don't have AND are unwilling to go out into the world to find or make for themselves. They're cowards and bitter losers and they don't deserve any sympathy or respect.
The Lord is perfect, The Lord is Great, The Lord is Good. The Lord is all-powerful, and knowing the future and past, knowing all life, the Lord made me a degen, so... That must be part of God's plan. As I fap, I shall have faith that it is according to the great plan He has written out for me, for if He did not want me this way, I would not be this way, such is the nature of the omnipotent, the infinite. The Lord is not a stranger to creating wretches with full knowledge of what they will do, for the Lord made Satan himself with full omniscient knowledge of what was to pass. I am honored to be a wretch of the Lord.
Praise, and amen.
LOL, and here they are! 🤣