Musk seems to think countries are sports teams
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The issue is that he says this—and he may even believe it—but the way that’s manifesting right now is in going to bat for not just keeping, but expanding the H1B Visa program, and specifically going to bat for an Indian who explicitly wants the H1B program to allow in even more Indians. Which is about as far from “high skill” immigration, and as destructive to the social and economic fabric of the nation, as one can get.
Whether Musk realizes that or not, it's certainly an issue I disagree with him on. As I said, everything we like about him is rooted in his futurism, but so is everything we dislike. Regardless of his role in getting Trump elected and countering leftist cultural rot, he is ultimately not a nationalist in any sense of the word, and probably looks down on those of us who value national and cultural identities on their own merits, rather than as a means to an end.
Certainly, as a Canadian, I can affirm that the last thing you want in your country is more Indians, however well-educated they claim to be.
Their position makes sense if you're wrong. Maybe the best Indians are the most benefit/cost employees a USA tech company can have. Maybe the stereotypes don't apply to the cream of the crop.
Maybe that doesn't even matter, because the cream of the crop could be excellent and still result in an issue where they change the culture of the nation. Maybe that also doesn't matter because it's very, very clear that the H1B program as it exists is not restricted to the cream of the crop and is instead being used to drive down wages and leave qualified American citizens unemployed, and that's before expanding it even more. Seriously—you can look at Canada or Britain. They're further along this path than we are. Does it look like they're getting the cream of the crop, without damaging the fabric of their nation?
But, even if we were getting the cream of the crop, which we aren't, even if we weren't changing our nation's culture, which we are, America (and you can substitute any nation in here; the argument is true for all) is not an economic zone. It is a nation. Built by generations of our ancestors, for their children. American citizens have a right to the fruits of their nation before the rest of the world. The average man needs to be employed as well; we can't sell out his prosperity to the world on the basis that when he's up against billions of people you can find someone who's an ever-so-slightly more optimized combination of cost + speed + accuracy in their work.
For truly one of a kind talent that truly is essential, we have the O1 Visa program. But that level of talent is incredibly rare, and limited to tiny little handfuls of people. The H1B program is not. Anyone who presents the H1B program as the only method for recruitment of "essential, irreplaceable skills" without mentioning the O1 program is either poorly informed or lying.
You're not wrong in that. I was just arguing against the "pajeet IT" stereotype. I'm sure there must be plenty of competence for them to be so prominent in tech.
Wrong again. They were the cheapest people in the 90s who could read from a basic troubleshooting script on the phone.
That's it.
Beyond that it's just their verminous nepotism.
Maybe, but there’s also ethnic nepotism, DEI incentives, and credential scamming. I’m sure some of them are competent, but I also think that once a tiny group of them get through the door and in positions that give them any hiring or firing influence, they will start treating other Indians preferentially. And I don’t think that first handful always needs to be competent either, because of the DEI incentives.
High there. I'm a highly skilled worker in a highly technical field. So unlike you I'm actually talking from experience instead of out my ass.
It's all of them. None of them are good employees and all of them are hygiene deficient what's more. They sleep, they steal, they jerk off in the bathroom and their sole priority is to infest companies with more of their kind. They are the only race more nepotistic than the goddamn Chinese. The one thing they don't do is work. The few I know, you could shoot them in the head and seal up their offices with concrete and the company would probably do better next quarter.
There is no cream. The whole crop is rotten.
Makes me feel better about vetoing an Indian candidate the one time I was given any measure of influence over a hiring decision for my team. The fucking accent alone was bad enough that I did not want that guy on our team no matter how good he was technically. If we cannot understand what our database administrator is even saying then there's going to be problems.
You should be proud. You probably saved your company a lot of trouble.
I'm afraid to ask how you discovered that.
Lol thankfully not firsthand. HR is just bad at actually keeping secrets.
How presumptuous.
How'd that work out for Canada?
Did Canada vet their immigrant to that extent?