Look, I get it, no one wants to see their favourite youtubers or political commentators get outed for doing something potentially shady or stupid. I'd feel the same way if it happened to Count Dankula or the Lotus Eaters crowd who I think are quite chill. Do I know who they are really? No, I don't so I'm not going to get that attached about it despite having seen both of them live and spoken to Sargon and Dankula RL even though they probably wouldn't remember me.
It's entirely possible they could have just been idiots like with Jack Murphy and did zero background checks on the people they were taking money from but that's all the more reason they should be maybe a teensy little bit paranoid about who they receive money from or who they let on their shows.
This isn't about fanboyism. The government is the enemy, and this attack is coming from them. Fuck the DOJ, and fuck Mayorkas, that slimy rat.
Do I know who they are really? No, I don't so I'm not going to get that attached about it...
Well, you should get attached. This matters. This is about free speech, not any individuals. Of the batch, I mainly like Matt. I'd have more negative things to say than positive about many of the others. (Benny Johnson is boring and adds nothing to his content. Lauren Southern has flipflopped way too much. Dave Rubin is a washed up shill. Lauren Chen goes way back and is kind of cool [and hot], but can also be a bit flipfloppy and milquetoast. Tim Pool is obnoxious, but I think useful. Taylor Hansen seems cool, from the little I've seen. As mentioned, I like Matt Christiansen.) Doesn't mean I'm going to toss them out as Russian agents, because that's complete and utter bullshit, and I'm not retarded enough to believe the DOJ.
None of these people are Russian assets. I could give you an "at worst" scenario, and it wouldn't even be that bad...but I don't even want to give the fed fuckers even that much credibility. This is too convenient; until proven otherwise, I just assume this was the US DOJ pulling their standard bullshit.
I didn't claim they were Russian agents, just involved with glowies generally, you can be a glowie asset without being directly involved, if this turns into a thing it's easy to see they got duped at best which doesn't make them look good in this situation even if they weren't malicious. Fyi, to be clear, I think this is an issue because it shouldn't be 'illegal' to simply take money for certain videos. However from a personal perspective I really dislike it when there's a lack of transparency from these people about who they take money from and for what reason because they're attempting to deceive me.
This is why I largely stopped watching most political commentators, especially given that they're not really saying anything that revolutionary either. They either turn out to be some form of glowie shill or they're open shills where their sponsor reads take up half their video before they get to the point and you realise any random internet commenter could have made the exact same point for free anyway.
Edit: Honestly surprised with the usual paranoia on this site about glowies that you guys are going out of your way to stick up for them, they are not looking good if they got greedy and took money under the table for videos, this does reek of fanboism and I'll call it out regardless.
Wow didn't know Calvin was doing that, yeah I'm not surprised, it's something I have planned myself, not necessarily the US because I'm waiting to see the results of the election first. I've mentioned it before but weighing up the options.
First, why are you taking what the DoJ says on face value? How many "Muh Russia!" hoaxes have we had now?
Are you seriously expecting youtubers to backtrack all of the finances of everyone they ever work with?
Building off 2, how would anyone short of a massive multinational corporation with an army of attorneys and accountants even do that? But, hey, it's a basic rule so I'm sure you'll be happy to provide us with a full list of the steps you've personally taken for every financial interaction you've had for, say, the last decade.
And, even if this is 100% a Russian Propaganda operation to warp the minds of poor innocent Americans (which I don't), and even if we accept that all of those youtubers could and should have been reasonably expected to perform a full audit of Tenant's books (which I don't), there's been multiple reports of Kamala paying influencers to shill for her campaign. So what's the issue here? Show me the legal statue which says "It is a crime for you to receive money from a Russian". Oh, wait, the DoJ doesn't charge the youtubers with anything! It charges a couple Russians with money laundering and violating the Foreign Agents Registration act.
It's 100% obvious what is going on here. The DoJ cooked up something (maybe legitimate, maybe entirely faked) to slander and try to shut down well-known online personalities because they're not 100% parroting the line that Washington wants them to take. And if you seriously don't expect the same thing to happen to Dank, the Lotus Eaters and every other online personality soon, you are hopelessly naive.
Anyway, I'll wait for your full list of steps for an average person to cheaply and easily perform a full audit on the books of every company they ever do business with, since it's an easy and basic rule.
Edit: It's also worth noting that THIS is what the DoJ is spending time on, when some of the main oil fields in the US are literally getting raided by Cuban and Venezuelan gangsters. Yeah, I get it, different people work on different things, but when a major story is "more Russian Propaganda! Be afraid of those evil right-wingers!" when oil fields are being robbed and sabotaged and no major outlet talks about it should also make it pretty clear what's going on here.
These are not average people, that's what you guys aren't getting, Tim Pool for example earns fucking millions, yes I know Lauren Chen for example is not the same and it would be unfair to compare her but this is why it all seems ridiculous to me. Even if she doesn't earn a massive amount it's still likely a fair chunk of change compared to most people.
They should as professionals be capable of doing some kind of audit and if they can't they shouldn't trust them and know when to walk away. This is where I respect TheQuartering and Count Dankula's business acumen because have you noticed they've had no drama as of yet? For the record, I'm not taking the DOJ at face value, however if they were able to nab them on something it likely means that their financials are not exactly above board unless the whole thing turns out to be completely bogus which is something I find unlikely.
Why do I find it unlikely? You don't spend that level of resources on a wild goose chase just to send a message because it would make them look ludicrous even to leftists who would get extremely squeamish themselves over it. Do I think they've done anything malicious? No probably not, however I do think they've probably been morons.
It will be interesting seeing them chat on TheIncredibleSaltMine about this because I bet they'll have some interesting takes. Count Dankula and TheQuartering have both said they've walked away from certain sponsorships and TheQuartering mentioned he walked away from $10,000 once. That's a fucking lot of money, which is why I respect him for that and I suspect this is likely a situation where they got greedy and now their financials have bit them in the arse.
You have to remember even reasonably successful youtubers are full on business operations these days with more than one employee, so yes they should be doing due dilligence on their finances constantly especially in this day and age because that's how they always get you.
And most, if not all, had no reason to be suspicious.
Not sure why you're going so hard on making the victims the bad guys here.
Also, you never answered my hypothetical if you'd condemn Lotus Eaters if the UK government went after them, the BBC exaggerated the claims to to boost the attack, and an obvious army of bots were unleashed on them to harass them on all their online platforms.
Because that's exactly what's going on here with Tenet.
If the Lotus Eaters turned out to have taken foreign money while larping as dissidents I absolutely would condemn them, I don't like fakery and I dislike glowie assets even less especially if they pretend to be a friend of the every man.
Video content creators who talk about anything not approved by the establishment don't get ad revenue from their content. Youtube will still play the ads on their videos, but keep all the ad revenue. The only way those content creators can make any money off of making content is through advertisers that sponsor the videos, where the content creator will shill for the service or product in video. It's extremely common for guntubers, homesteaders, and anyone to the right of Stalin.
All a government would have to do is "sponsor" a video for a content creator, lie about where the money comes from, and bam, you magically have "foreign influence", and the content creator unknowingly becomes a "foreign agent". There would be no realistic way for a content creator to vet where the money comes from. Most are usually just happy to pay the bills, as Youtube actively censors their content and prevents it from gaining the traction it otherwise would, due to the "algorithm", just like Google does with wrongthink.
So, how exactly are you supposed to know if any glowies laundered any money into the company offering to invest in your company? And that's assuming that our government, with its multi-decade track record of being pathological liars to its own citizens, is actually telling the truth for once.
You get professionals and you check, again, this isn't some small youtuber being paid a couple of thousand to do a video, we're talking hundreds of thousands.
Do you not understand the concept of money laundering? The whole point is to hide where the money is coming from. So you don't think a government agency, with a budget in the millions at the least, can conceal the source of funds well enough to fool a private investigator with a budget in the thousands at the most?
I'm not writing anything is fool proof by any stretch, people are actually misrepresenting me on this shit badly and it's getting annoying given they keep calling me a retard. My point is when it's such a large lump sump that should at least set off some warning bells to do some form of due diligence so you don't get fucked down the line.
I understand what people are posting with regards to this, what's fucking stupid is the way people are getting spergy at me for making some extremely basic points about maybe being a bit more suspicious about income sources in this day and age.
Don't care, it's a basic rule everybody should follow, like not sticking your dick in crazy, you don't take money from glowies.
You're an idiot. I'll let other people tell you why since you clearly can't figure it out for yourself.
I didn't want it to be me, but he's being so thick I had to step up.
So no different than usual?
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Look, I get it, no one wants to see their favourite youtubers or political commentators get outed for doing something potentially shady or stupid. I'd feel the same way if it happened to Count Dankula or the Lotus Eaters crowd who I think are quite chill. Do I know who they are really? No, I don't so I'm not going to get that attached about it despite having seen both of them live and spoken to Sargon and Dankula RL even though they probably wouldn't remember me.
It's entirely possible they could have just been idiots like with Jack Murphy and did zero background checks on the people they were taking money from but that's all the more reason they should be maybe a teensy little bit paranoid about who they receive money from or who they let on their shows.
Dude, quit being retarded.
This isn't about fanboyism. The government is the enemy, and this attack is coming from them. Fuck the DOJ, and fuck Mayorkas, that slimy rat.
Well, you should get attached. This matters. This is about free speech, not any individuals. Of the batch, I mainly like Matt. I'd have more negative things to say than positive about many of the others. (Benny Johnson is boring and adds nothing to his content. Lauren Southern has flipflopped way too much. Dave Rubin is a washed up shill. Lauren Chen goes way back and is kind of cool [and hot], but can also be a bit flipfloppy and milquetoast. Tim Pool is obnoxious, but I think useful. Taylor Hansen seems cool, from the little I've seen. As mentioned, I like Matt Christiansen.) Doesn't mean I'm going to toss them out as Russian agents, because that's complete and utter bullshit, and I'm not retarded enough to believe the DOJ.
None of these people are Russian assets. I could give you an "at worst" scenario, and it wouldn't even be that bad...but I don't even want to give the fed fuckers even that much credibility. This is too convenient; until proven otherwise, I just assume this was the US DOJ pulling their standard bullshit.
Again, quit being retarded.
This is the best tl;dr of all those talking heads.
And this is what the DOJ is punching at. Milquetoast flip-floppers against Kammunism.
I didn't claim they were Russian agents, just involved with glowies generally, you can be a glowie asset without being directly involved, if this turns into a thing it's easy to see they got duped at best which doesn't make them look good in this situation even if they weren't malicious. Fyi, to be clear, I think this is an issue because it shouldn't be 'illegal' to simply take money for certain videos. However from a personal perspective I really dislike it when there's a lack of transparency from these people about who they take money from and for what reason because they're attempting to deceive me.
This is why I largely stopped watching most political commentators, especially given that they're not really saying anything that revolutionary either. They either turn out to be some form of glowie shill or they're open shills where their sponsor reads take up half their video before they get to the point and you realise any random internet commenter could have made the exact same point for free anyway.
Edit: Honestly surprised with the usual paranoia on this site about glowies that you guys are going out of your way to stick up for them, they are not looking good if they got greedy and took money under the table for videos, this does reek of fanboism and I'll call it out regardless.
Off topic, but how do you feel about Calvin Robinson leaving the LE to flee to a parish in the US?
I suppose that indicates he's jabbed as well.
Wow didn't know Calvin was doing that, yeah I'm not surprised, it's something I have planned myself, not necessarily the US because I'm waiting to see the results of the election first. I've mentioned it before but weighing up the options.
So why did you take money from glowies?
First, why are you taking what the DoJ says on face value? How many "Muh Russia!" hoaxes have we had now?
Are you seriously expecting youtubers to backtrack all of the finances of everyone they ever work with?
Building off 2, how would anyone short of a massive multinational corporation with an army of attorneys and accountants even do that? But, hey, it's a basic rule so I'm sure you'll be happy to provide us with a full list of the steps you've personally taken for every financial interaction you've had for, say, the last decade.
And, even if this is 100% a Russian Propaganda operation to warp the minds of poor innocent Americans (which I don't), and even if we accept that all of those youtubers could and should have been reasonably expected to perform a full audit of Tenant's books (which I don't), there's been multiple reports of Kamala paying influencers to shill for her campaign. So what's the issue here? Show me the legal statue which says "It is a crime for you to receive money from a Russian". Oh, wait, the DoJ doesn't charge the youtubers with anything! It charges a couple Russians with money laundering and violating the Foreign Agents Registration act.
It's 100% obvious what is going on here. The DoJ cooked up something (maybe legitimate, maybe entirely faked) to slander and try to shut down well-known online personalities because they're not 100% parroting the line that Washington wants them to take. And if you seriously don't expect the same thing to happen to Dank, the Lotus Eaters and every other online personality soon, you are hopelessly naive.
Anyway, I'll wait for your full list of steps for an average person to cheaply and easily perform a full audit on the books of every company they ever do business with, since it's an easy and basic rule.
Edit: It's also worth noting that THIS is what the DoJ is spending time on, when some of the main oil fields in the US are literally getting raided by Cuban and Venezuelan gangsters. Yeah, I get it, different people work on different things, but when a major story is "more Russian Propaganda! Be afraid of those evil right-wingers!" when oil fields are being robbed and sabotaged and no major outlet talks about it should also make it pretty clear what's going on here.
These are not average people, that's what you guys aren't getting, Tim Pool for example earns fucking millions, yes I know Lauren Chen for example is not the same and it would be unfair to compare her but this is why it all seems ridiculous to me. Even if she doesn't earn a massive amount it's still likely a fair chunk of change compared to most people.
They should as professionals be capable of doing some kind of audit and if they can't they shouldn't trust them and know when to walk away. This is where I respect TheQuartering and Count Dankula's business acumen because have you noticed they've had no drama as of yet? For the record, I'm not taking the DOJ at face value, however if they were able to nab them on something it likely means that their financials are not exactly above board unless the whole thing turns out to be completely bogus which is something I find unlikely.
Why do I find it unlikely? You don't spend that level of resources on a wild goose chase just to send a message because it would make them look ludicrous even to leftists who would get extremely squeamish themselves over it. Do I think they've done anything malicious? No probably not, however I do think they've probably been morons.
It will be interesting seeing them chat on TheIncredibleSaltMine about this because I bet they'll have some interesting takes. Count Dankula and TheQuartering have both said they've walked away from certain sponsorships and TheQuartering mentioned he walked away from $10,000 once. That's a fucking lot of money, which is why I respect him for that and I suspect this is likely a situation where they got greedy and now their financials have bit them in the arse.
You have to remember even reasonably successful youtubers are full on business operations these days with more than one employee, so yes they should be doing due dilligence on their finances constantly especially in this day and age because that's how they always get you.
Plenty of them are?
And most, if not all, had no reason to be suspicious.
Not sure why you're going so hard on making the victims the bad guys here.
Also, you never answered my hypothetical if you'd condemn Lotus Eaters if the UK government went after them, the BBC exaggerated the claims to to boost the attack, and an obvious army of bots were unleashed on them to harass them on all their online platforms.
Because that's exactly what's going on here with Tenet.
If the Lotus Eaters turned out to have taken foreign money while larping as dissidents I absolutely would condemn them, I don't like fakery and I dislike glowie assets even less especially if they pretend to be a friend of the every man.
What?
What what? lol
Video content creators who talk about anything not approved by the establishment don't get ad revenue from their content. Youtube will still play the ads on their videos, but keep all the ad revenue. The only way those content creators can make any money off of making content is through advertisers that sponsor the videos, where the content creator will shill for the service or product in video. It's extremely common for guntubers, homesteaders, and anyone to the right of Stalin.
All a government would have to do is "sponsor" a video for a content creator, lie about where the money comes from, and bam, you magically have "foreign influence", and the content creator unknowingly becomes a "foreign agent". There would be no realistic way for a content creator to vet where the money comes from. Most are usually just happy to pay the bills, as Youtube actively censors their content and prevents it from gaining the traction it otherwise would, due to the "algorithm", just like Google does with wrongthink.
Doesn't this defy the point of being advertiser-friendly? Maybe they have a pool of advertisers that don't GAF.
So, how exactly are you supposed to know if any glowies laundered any money into the company offering to invest in your company? And that's assuming that our government, with its multi-decade track record of being pathological liars to its own citizens, is actually telling the truth for once.
You get professionals and you check, again, this isn't some small youtuber being paid a couple of thousand to do a video, we're talking hundreds of thousands.
Do you not understand the concept of money laundering? The whole point is to hide where the money is coming from. So you don't think a government agency, with a budget in the millions at the least, can conceal the source of funds well enough to fool a private investigator with a budget in the thousands at the most?
I'm not writing anything is fool proof by any stretch, people are actually misrepresenting me on this shit badly and it's getting annoying given they keep calling me a retard. My point is when it's such a large lump sump that should at least set off some warning bells to do some form of due diligence so you don't get fucked down the line.
I understand what people are posting with regards to this, what's fucking stupid is the way people are getting spergy at me for making some extremely basic points about maybe being a bit more suspicious about income sources in this day and age.