Hi there,
It's been a while since I last posted here (I usually don't have anything constructive to say that adds to the conversation), but I've come across a topic of late which I simply have to ask you guys about.
I'm sure that at least a decent amount of the people who browse this forum know of the website called Kiwifarms. If not, I suppose you can google it, though I'm sure you won't get a just description of what that website is all about from the likes of Google. To put it in the simplest terms, Kiwifarms is mainly a gossiping forum about chiefly Internet-celebrities and their often silly shenanigans. These people are called "lolcows", simply because they "produce milk" through their tomfoolery that the users of the website can enjoy (I hate the term "lolcow" by the way: it's apt in describing the "milking of odd and silly people for laughs", but it's such a childish and "edgy" term that I just can't use it seriously).
Other than gossiping and "milking" Internet-personalities for laughs, it's a forum in which you can discuss almost anything. One of the liberating aspects of the website, which is almost unheard of on the Internet nowadays, is that there is no handholding, and that you can say the "n-word" and "tranny" freely. It's basically a haven for political incorrectness, but there is also a generally agreed upon culture and code of conduct on the website that hinders it from spiraling out of control.
What Kiwifarms and this forum has in common, then, as far as I'm concerned at least, is that they both encourage non-politically correct discourse (within reason, of course).
I've browsed and used Kiwifarms for several years now, and since some time ago, I've noticed an ever growing trend taking place on the website, which I find to be deeply unfortunate: radical feminists and what I can only describe as "white knights" are more or less "infiltrating" general discourse on the website in order to hurl accusations about "inceldom" and such. There's a subsection of Kiwifarms called the "Beauty Parlor", in which some part of the clique of radical feminists and white knights seem to be content in keeping the majority of their discourse in. One of the more popular threads in there is the "Man-hate thread", and you wouldn't believe the shit that's said about men in there. All men or anyone who questions the "manhating" discourse is promptly banned, and are mocked by the community of radical feminists and white knights.
I'm not an incel, nor am I a rampant misogynist of any kind, but like many who engage in more politically incorrect and "based" (for a lack of a better word) discourse, I do have my misgivings with modern women, which I've been able to express in a rational way on Kiwifarms before without being "jumped" by irate feminists and white knights.
What's more is that the owner of Kiwifarms, Joshua Connor Moon, seems to clearly be favoring these radical feminists (also called "femoids" in response to their usage of the term "moid", which is a derogatory term by women and soyboys for men) and white knights over any person who wish to tell these very same people to shut the fuck up and to keep their misandry to themselves. He's regularly inserting himself into conversations, lamenting how "woman haters" wants to deny women "the ability to vote and to be able to treat them like sex slaves" and other such nonsense. When the radical feminists receive the odd clapback, Joshua Connor Moon is often there to lambast the silly men of how insecure and pathetic they are for attacking the poor women who have found refuge in his community. Whenever a feminist writes about how much she hates men and how she wish her son was actually a daughter, he doesn't seem to care one bit, and it negatively affects the overall climate of the forum (at least if you're not a radical feminist or soyboy).
Joshua seem to be somewhat "based" in several aspects, but as far as I can tell, he's completely lost the plot in regards to the TERF:s of this world (Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists). It's one thing to support women being trans exclusionary, but he also seems to rejoice in the "radical feminist"-aspect of their little movement as well, which is deeply disappointing. I believe that him being the target of transsexuals, who are attempting to bring down his website through all kinds of underhanded means, have broken his otherwise naive perception of the dynamic of men and women in general. My conclusion is that he believes himself to be a savior of sorts for the women of the world, who have no other place to turn to in order to unload about their hatred of transsexual men. Somehow, this also extends towards being sympathetic towards the women's hatred of men in general, which I just find baffling.
This is one of the trends that I've noticed which I despise. Another sad trend that I've noticed emerging on there is how there's been some sort of development of what I can only describe as an "Anonymous-esque" kind of frenzy being stirred by both old and new users. What I mean by this is the emergence of the whole "We are Anonymous — we do not forget, we do not forgive"-teenage-kind-of-edginess being fostered. As if Kiwifarms is some sort of collective of "Anonymous-hackers" or whatever. It's embarrassing beyond belief.
I've experienced more and more of these radical feminists and soyboys acting out, with the blessings of Joshua Connor Moon, and how the very edgy part of the website is starting to get out of control. As such, I would like to ask you guys if you know of any website besides Kiwifarms and this one that encourages at least somewhat politically incorrect discussion without being obtuse about it and without promoting radical feminist agendas?
Thank you for coming to my TED-talk.
Holy wall of text
Well, I can appreciate when the autism comes with good grammar and a fastidious dedication to in defining terms. Of all the possible options, OP is the best kind of weird.
Yes indeed! I just wanted to explain why I would search for a website like this and Kiwifarms when this website and Kiwifarms already exists.
I thought this OP might be more related to Null's catty and impulse bans and moderation at times. Specifically as it pertained to the Dark Syde Phil subforum.
Null locked it, temporarily nuked it and fired all its mods earlier in the year simply because he personally "didn't find DSP funny anymore". He also justified his actions by continuing to repeat like a leftist a debunked claim that a DSP subforum user had put the site in jeopardy by fucking with DSP's ISP then bragging about it,
Then when the mods understandbly protested, he banned one of them for setting up/being involved in a lifeboat DSP site for "insubordination" and "stealing revenue streams from KF".
Josh went on to moderate the DSP forum personally thereafter.
I don't even care about DSP, but the whole incident turned me off.
KF is always in danger internally because it's at the whim of emotional, petulant admin decisions from a maladjusted defiant sperg.
Josh is a moody bitch and should be considered as such, especially as the Beauty Parlor hoes continue to gain favor with him.
But the DSP situation is understandable in the fact that most people there act like DSP literally came to their house and shit in their mouth, where they organize gay ops and scream incoherently about him just being a dumb begger. You could see it all over the forum, where they would leave their board and still try to draw everything back to him and how he was somehow the worst person in existence. Even that ISP claim seemed pretty believable with how most people acted about him.
It was an extremely poorly handled situation, especially as Josh has no social skills and only knows how to double down when people question his authority, but the full picture makes both sides look like imbeciles instead of him alone being an asshole.
The DSP people are unhinged.
Seems like it's just human nature when it comes to gossip and drama, everyone's favourite target is whoever is just one step lower on the ladder than themselves.
So yeah anyone that fascinated with DSP has to be at least a little bit unstable too.
This reminds me of the saying:
"Every user on the Kiwifarms is a potential lolcow, only they don't have the courage to own up to it."
I very much believe this to be true. It probably applies to myself as well, damn it. The fact that Joshua and his moderators are as clueless to the nature of femoids as they are is indicative of their complete naivety and tomfoolery in regards to contemporary shenanigans between the genders. He was raised by a single mother, after all.
I admittedly don't follow DSP lore.
But Josh's impetuous response to the situation came off like a labile woman.
I watch his show and many times he's complained specifically about the DSP board.
DSP is a bit of a clownish and lowly man, but he pretty much outgrew his lolcowness and is now just a small streamer on his grind. Contrast that to trans pdfs and people like Ralph and there's no comparison. However, the DSP people are so furious that the guy never fell that they took what should be entertainment into hatred, taking things way too far and for way too long.
I've understood his points when he's made them.
Even if that's the case, why nuke a thread simply because you personally as its admin have grown passed it?
He blamed it on "gay ops causing trouble" that was debunked, but he doubled down, chimped out and banned everyone anyway.
🤷 The whole point of having your own forum is to have it your way.
I'm sorry for my late reply.
Indeed, I am somewhat conecntrated on Joshua's whims. Even though I understand your misgiving, I do understand the sacrifices Joshua has made in regards to the website, and the fact that it is his website at the end of the day.
I did not know about this "lifeboat" and "insubordination" thing though. I'm not surprised, to be honest, given my OP. Especially the thing about "stealing revenue streams from KF" is fucking infuriating beyond belief. Fuck that guy, and I do say that even though I know of all the sacrifices in his life that he's made. Trust is earned painfully, and lost swiftly.
As you, I don't care about Dark Side Phil. He's a "nobody-lolcow", as far as I'm concerned.
The Kiwifarms is indeed always in danger internally precisely because of the reasons you mention: the emotional baggage. That's my whole point in highlighting the sad "battle" between moids and femoids on the website. Joshua just doesn't give a shit, and while it is his website to do with as he wish, he's a fucking retard for progressing with it as he does. Emotional, petulant admin decisions from a maladjusted defiant sperg does not spell well for the future, indeed.
Bro there are 0 women on Kiwifarms. I guarantee you that’s exclusively trannies.
I wish you were right... :-)
:')
I've ended up on NiceCrew in the fediverse, will probably explore more instances if I can find ones not run by leftists and also yes, Kiwifarms has definitely got TERFs in it along with simps who keep simping for them. Would have considered it otherwise but if there are TERFs there who don't get actively mocked for what they post? Nah.
I'm completely on board with your sentiments about TERFs. They really are repulsive pieces of cunts, and deserve to be mocked at every oppurtunity.
I will check out this NiceCrew in the fediverse. I really do long for a based platform without feminist retard cunts ruining it all.
This is not my experience on Kiwi Farms at all, OP. That's because it's a cliquish website where the culture shifts thread by thread. Spend some time in Articles & News section or the Sweet Baby Inc thread or Stinkditch threads laughing at trannies—these are all closer to board culture here than whatever you are describing. Frankly, if you are encountering man-hate threads on Kiwi Farms then it's because you are actively seeking them out. There are woman-hate threads over there, too, so let's not pretend that the entire website is imbalanced toward man-hating women. It's not.
The Beauty Parlor/Man-Hate stuff does spill over to the A&H news section as well, which lean more right wing.
There are a couple of posters that constantly spam low-effort gender war articles that inevitably result in "Incel v. thots/cat ladies" sperging.
But it's true they are easily avoided by just skimming the titles and ignoring them.
I understand your point, and do agree that it's a " cliquish website where the culture shifts thread by thread."
Still, you say that I'm seeking something like the "man-hating-thread" out, but this is not my experience at all, despite having browsed the site since 2019 (there are far older users than me, of course).
The entire website isn't infested and imbalance towards man-hating-woman, but the entire point of my OP is that a large enough portion of the website has become just like that. This is only me experience, of course, and I understand it if you might differ on this subject.
I won't name any specific users, since that would only invite trolls unto me, but I dare say a handful or more users are responsible of making the Kiwifarms into some sort of "femoid"-battle ground, and I do resent Joshua for letting this happen. I suppose he's merely true to his very libertarian nature though. As far as I'm concerned, feminist retard cunts should not be allowed a voice. I suppose I'm literally a dictator because of that.
https://www.onionfarms.com/
A KF splinter site that I lurked for awhile.
It seems to be run by weirdos and many of its users are KF banned refugees.
I mostly read their sections on KF lore and internecine drama.
They really hate Null. They have also doxxed some of the KF mods.
The parts I read seemed more left-leaning than KF, probably representing more old fag KF users who got turfed as the site started leaning more right.
That shitty site is owned by Kenneth Erwin "Kengle" Engelhardt, who despite having a job is a moron who tried to promote conspiracy theories about Chris-Chan raping his mother without real evidence as an excuse to steal Sonichu* from him, allegedly because he himself genuinely believes Chris-Chan knowingly and willfully raped his mother for some reason.
*Yes THAT Sonichu, Kengle is a fucking moron and his bullshit is pretty much equivalent to petty DeviantArt drama.
I know nothing about Kengle or onionfarms, but isn’t that exactly what Chris-Chan did?!
All we know is that Chris-Chan most likely committed incest with his mother because he was repeatedly caught confessing to it.
It is currently unknown if his shitty narcissistic mother was raped because she did not make any public statements, which blows because that information would be VERY useful in regards to controlling Chris as without it his behavior will likely escalate the millisecond his mother dies without disclosing whether she got raped or not.
I'm at most a casual observer of Chris-Chan, but his mother is in her 80s and has dementia. If he fucked her, it was rape.
That was the part that is under debate, nobody knows if she has dementia as there is no info available on a diagnosis.
She's 80 and fucking/fucked by 'son'. There's a diagnosis whether public or not.
add to this that everyone assumed this is exactly what would happen anyway after bob died, whether barb had brainrot or no
Sounds like someone is jealous
Something something barbussy something something.
There's no doubt that some (perhaps many) of the banned users on the Kiwifarms are weirdos, and possibly something as disgusting as paedophiles.
I personally don't mind the modern Kiwifarms leaning more "right-wing", since I am rather conservative myself, but that only in regards to things like economic and overall societal development, which is hugely dependent on demographic development (no joggers, plz).
When it comes to the roles of the genders, there's no question of whom bears the largest responsibility of the development of today. so-called "femoids", i.e. TERFs, are most responsible, and Joshua bats for these retarded women something fierce, hence my OP.
As someone who sometimes posts in Kiwifarms, I don't really trust Josh Moon. He has that same sort of aura as that TurkeyTom guy. That place is essentially much better forum than escapist forum but has the same problem where the oldfags that registered in 2013 have the privilege to wave their dicks around with their far-left hot takes because they don't give a shit abut bad stamps since they got bazillion points at least they used to until I guess they got relegated to their own echo chamber nowadays.
It was well known by site critics that the site is full of woke weens that joined the site before gamergate exposed their ideology, and in some cases shortly after before the site became known for being critical of intersectional progressive ideology. The other major complaints aside Null's personal drama like the 8chan drama and blockland drama, and the fact there are large threads mentioning minor drama with dissident right figures that people want dusted under the rug to push our ideology without retarded attempts at scrutiny, tends to revolve around how he became an anti-loli sperg and encouraged said retardation among his userbase because his site 9chan.tw was taken out by CP spammers, which he blames on the lolisho community due to site drama that occurred prior to said raid when in reality it was most likely regressive leftists and/or corrupt government agents targeting the site for being a chan site.
Thank you very much for your comment! It's precisely on point in regards to what I was trying to convey! :-)
The "oldfags" are indeed waving their dicks around needlessly, and for whatever reason it does seem as if they do favor far-left hot takes. Perhaps it's because their indifferency towards something like the Kiwifarm's "Internet Stickers" and "Hecking updoots".
That was the main point of my OP: how the site has become an echochamber of sorts, and how Joshua's own inclinations towards Radical Feminists have unfortunately shaped the website.
Kiwifarms jargon is so far removed from reality, that it's hard to be part of any discussions. Never mind it's like a more spergy 4chan.
They do great work in archiving farm animals, don't get me wrong, and Moon is definitely some kind of superhero admin for keeping KF alive from the weight of the world's tech shakers n salters. The discourse is just too autistic for those who have IRL to deal with.
Always good to use them as a better wiki when the bobble heads of the internet start trending.
PS - I skipped reading after the first para so I might be completely out of context for this post
I mean, https://8chan.moe is right there in the sidebar.
There is always the ED forums, though they keep going down and getting replaced because the site went to shit and the owners keep getting into trouble, plus I think there is infighting going on in the community between .gay and .win.
Also before Null told the NZ government to go fuck itself, he had a VERY bad reputation.
Thank you for your reply, and sorry for my very late one. After having written that wall of text that is the OP, I kind of needed to take a break in writing on here.
For any forum to be even remotely enjoyable, there has to at the very least be some sort of stability, so of all the alternatives, I guess Encyclopedia Dramatica is out, unfortunately. Thank you for the recommendation, though.
Could you perhaps elaborate on what you men when you say that Null/Joshua Connor Moon had a very bad reputation before the incident with New Zealand and the Christchurch-shootings? I would very much like to know more. I'm not surprised, given what I say about the guy in the OP. He's having some temper tantrums in the Kiwifarms forum since yesterday. Like others on here have said, he is truly a moody little bitch.
He was a notorious blockland lolcow who weaseled his way into control of the CWCKIfourms after other people made failed attempts at running said fourms and as a result he is accused of using the fourms for trollshielding, he suspected Jace Connors was a ruseman and hid it to bring traffic to the site which got it ddos'ed by team gamer food, and he got unpopularly hired by hotwheels despite his history for a mega update to 8chan called "infinity next" that ultimately failed.
Thanks for providing me with additional insights into the pudgy little mommas boy that is Joshua Connor Moon.
I did know of some sort of controversy regarding his "Blockland"-days, but I didn't imagine it to be this. I'm not surprised he's been trying to weasel his way into various positions of "power" like your typical, fat Discord-mod. He's just moody and bitchy enough for that to be more than plausible.
As much good he's done for the ability to shitpost and hate on the politically correct zeitgeist, he's really showing himself to be a miserable simp. As of this post, he's pondering of opening up a section of the forum for women only, provided these women post their identification to him via third parties in order to prove their gender. He's lashing out in impotent anger at the many who rightfully mocks him for this supremely retarded idea. He's such a pathetic little boy. I reckon his adherence to the "free Internet" has far less to do about any actual principles and far more to do with his piggish, simpish stubbornness. Just reading his retarded answers to those who question his idea of a "true and honest women-only space" is grating. He's losing it in real-time.
I dunno... /b/ ?
Woah, look! A huge fag!
What the fuck are you talking about? As someone that's been watching Mad At The Internet for years now, I gotta say.. you are either full of shit, or in some sort of delusion. Josh is many things, but how you paint it ain't it. Like even a little. Josh is obsessed, and I mean obsessed with the Internet and how it's core tenants are being trampled on by the main big websites trying to control what happens on it. That is his white whale. He never even comes close to giving a shit about women issues or their politics. That, and watching BossmanJack crumble into dust.
I've certainly read very similar critiques of Null having two-tier moderation for TERFs on KF very often, so it's not simply OP's own impressions.
I tend to avoid those big male-female slapfight threads though personally.
People on the dissident right cucking out to gender criticals despite the fact they are sexist towards men is a common complaint about alot of people.
Sounds like Null should have implemented a zero tolerance policy for sexism towards men, along with banning gender criticals from repeating other bullshit popular with the regressive left like objectification theory, defense of intersectionalism, conspiracy theories about racism, defending communism, etc.
I heartily recommend you spend some more time on the actual Kiwifarms forums if you're going to have an opinion on the matter, dipshit. Merely watching Joshua Connor Moon's streams obviously don't cut it.
I'd like at the very least a fucking archive screenshot of some of the shit you claim him to be saying at the very least. Because what you say is quite damning and incredibly spergish. As you said. However, my brother in Christ. You are asking me to dig though a haystack for rusty needles. If you want to put a hit piece of someone I want some fucking quotes. Show me pictures of Spider-Man!
Also, it's one single section of the website. Among MANY other areas. To blanket the entirety of the userbase for one area of retards is super delusional. Each part of the board has obsessive nutjobs that are specifically tailored for those regions of thing.
And that's the only reason anyone puts up with his retardation. Because without that he is an awkward sperg who can barely handle ever being told he is wrong or making a situation worse.
I have a lot of respect for the guy, his crusade and sacrifices. But that doesn't make him above reproach or not a fucking hermit with no social skills.
This nigger didn't pay attention to the Gender War problem that has been ongoing for a year now.
He literally banned a bunch of guys last week for daring to insult some of the "women" on the farms, and continuously says that its men's fault that women vote retarded and run into Woke shit. He gave the women a dedicated thread where you get banned from an entire section if you post there as a man and says consistently that women posting about fat chicks is the "True KF [he] wants to return to."
You should try actually being on the site instead of just watching MATI, where he will crop up in random places and sperg the fuck out at people while his sycophants (like you) fly in behind him to attack anyone who dares insult their Feeder.
Thank you very much for your reply, and I'm so sorry for my late one. I've kind of had to take my time to digest the responses from the thread after I wrote my humongous OP.
I can only conclude after the recent development on the website that Null/Joshua Connor Moon is indeed a chubby little faggot. Here's the thread at the center of the recent development:
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/pitch-womens-only-app-enforced-by-3rd-party-id-verification.199736/
Mommas boy Null wants to create a "women's only online space" verified via third party actors. Needless to say, this spectacularly retarded idea did not go over well with everyone, much to the chubby boy's chagrin. The responses from most of the supposedly males in that thread is disappointing, to put it mildly. "I-I-I k-know that I'm a-a man, and th-that I'm not r-really allowed to h-h-have an opinion, b-b-but you go girls!" I thought Kiwifarms was immune to soyboys and radical feminists, but I was so wrong.
He really is a little child who can't take no for an answer. He even fucked off to Serbia to run his drama-website, if I recall, and his mother does not want anythings to do with him. Indeed, he is a supreme lolcow himself. As you say, his sacrifices, retarded as they are in the grand scheme of things, do provide the rest of us with a place where we can freely say the "n-word", but man, there's no denying that the guy really is a little shit.
I was there when he banned a bunch of users for a week. In typical Null-fashion, he shoots from his hip as he pleases, all because of his infantile temper tantrums. I also know of his supremely idiotic attempt at painting the section "Beauty Parlor" as the "true and honest Kiwifarms". Again, like I state in the OP, I think it's because the pudgy little simp believes he's some sort of savior for biologically real women in this world, on account of his own battles again transsexuals. It's such a pathetic delusion on his part.
Anyways, it's good to see that I'm not the only one to realize what a shitshow the "ooperator" of Kiwifarms is! :-)
He almost certainly has ODD or has just socially isolated himself for so long that his social skills have deteriorated into nothing.
Which means that nobody can tell him anything, he reacts defiantly to even the mildest of advice or criticism (so much so the catchphrase "who are you to tell me what to do" can be contributed to him), and his legion of ballwashers and sycophants keep contributing further and further to the problem.
I've simply stopped going to a lot of sections just because its too much drama, and its always centered around him coming in, throwing his toys out about how awful everyone is, and then a few more rules for only some users crop into existence so he can feel good about himself.
It is what it is, he can continue to isolate himself into paranoid madness for the sake of some e-pussy. It doesn't really effect me beyond a mild disappointment and I will continue to wish him the best because of his otherwise remarkable efforts and respectable actions.
That is an admirable attitude, one which I should strive to adpot myself. I am currently a bit too jaded with Joshua's shenanigans to view his efforts in quite such a positive light, however.
As you say, his efforts are commendable, but considering how he's degenerated lately I can't help but see the absolute sperg that is behind these efforts, and this realization does sully the splendor of these very efforts. The way he plays favorites with users is especially grating to me.
Oh well, it is what it is, as you say.
Fortunately, most of his spergatry is limited to sections of the forum so its rather easy to avoid getting tangled in it. And his female ballwashers stick close to him so you avoid them too in doing so.
I've been in this game long enough to have seen this cycle repeated many times over to men that have far less accomplishments to look to, its just the nature of women and why they shouldn't have been liberated.
Josh is a chomo. 100%
Upvote. OP specifically seeks out a thread called the "Man-hate thread" and then proceeds to unfairly smear the entire website for it, even though the vast majority of KF users are busy posting elsewhere and not engaging in this dumb shit. Also conveniently ignores that there's an equivalent "Woman-hate" thread. It's a very strange take.
4chan
I'm not reading all that but kiwifarms has been taken over by pedos larping as Christian fundamentalists. It's really sick and bizarre and the site should be avoided at all costs