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posted 1 year ago by SpaceGeneral 1 year ago by SpaceGeneral +33 / -0
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– BandageBandolier 13 points 1 year ago +13 / -0

Half baked idea formulated on the spot ahead:

For all it's flaws the ancient world had one thing right, only the upper decile or so have any hope of properly understanding what makes a society functional. But the remainder of the population will be absolutely furious if that is ever pointed out to them. So they made up something about divine rights to dole out lands to those upper performers and charged them with turning all the local idiots into something useful.

Any successful society must learn to subtly harness the power of idiots and midwits, they're just too numerous to waste. And one of the more successful strategies through history has been crafting a mythology to guide them and allow them.to be lead without hurting their pride.

In present day the left has effectively reversed the enlightenment which turned all the clergy into scholars, and have instead turned all their scholars into clergy, and it's been very effective. Whilst the right have abandoned most of their old myths of national greatness and patriotism and seem instead to have settled on pure wealth and pedigree as the magic power that makes people worthy of leading. But where capital inheritance is almost guaranteed, competence inheritance is more of a probability spread. So a good few of their mythological leaders are idiots themselves handed reins they have no idea what to do with and their performance shows it. Plus the right's mythological leaders don't have to make a show of true beliverism like the left's clergy do, so they are way more free to engage in greedy backstabbing and selling out their own whilst still somehow holding on to their legitimacy.

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– ApparentlyImAHeretic 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

the problem with elites holding the reins is that it inevitably leads to collapse. as generations go by, and elites are born into elite life, their position is taken more and more for granted. eventually their distant children have a more skewed view of the world than the lowly peasants do, and the unrest begins to fester (you are here). barring a voluntary and peaceful change in the ruling class, elites eventually get overrun and destroyed without mercy. This destruction comes either from the peasants, or neighboring societies looking to capitalize on the weakness.

It happened with Nero, it happened with Mary Antoinette, it happened with Tsar Nicholas, and it will happen here eventually. The time from inception to destruction varies greatly, but it goes without fail.

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– BandageBandolier 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Yeah making it even mostly hereditary is a bad idea because nature doesn't hand out guarantees like that, and exceptional natural talent in particular is too fragile a balance of factors, it falls into mediocrity very easily.

The longer periods of stability seemed to come when the aristocracy had some churn, families fell from grace and titles were stripped, expansion and growth left room for new people to be promoted up, and frequent conflict tested the mettle of many and let new blood distinguish themselves and be chosen by achievement.

The greatest source of disorder I think is from the natural desire for the best for your children, so those in power do what they can to make sure their children get to be in power too, even when they're not fit for it. We could do with a mythology that idealises being a noble leader based on early life achievements, but also a society that doesn't allow those leaders to live a more luxurious lifestyle than the rest. So that when a parent recognizes their child isn't fit to follow in their footsteps there's not a conflict of interest in not having their children also lead.

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– Vicious_snek6 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

This destruction comes either from the peasants, or neighboring societies looking to capitalize on the weakness.

still lead by an opposing faction of the elites either way

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– ApparentlyImAHeretic 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

fair, but it still comes. a dissatisfied populace or weak leadership would make a country ripe for conquering.

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– ArchRespawnsAgain 9 points 1 year ago +9 / -0

A great example of this is the Right's perspective on masks

The right's perspective on masks is almost entirely because of fed jacketing directed at Patriot Front.

But I wonder how many people look at the Right and see that many are doing the same thing, just for positions we happen to also agree with.

Yep. I think a lot of more lucid people either checked out completely or just don't speak up because of the circle jerk.

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– Mpetey123 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

Well for one the left controls the majority of influencers. You have education, media,entertainment, now even the military leaning left. Of course it's easier for them to control their masses.

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– fauxgnaws 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

What Kyle Rittenhouse Tweets won't win or lose any election for anyone. It's not that big of a deal.

Have you heard of a death by a thousand cuts?

This attitude of letting minor slights pass is what got us to woke bullshit.

Kyle needed to be taken back behind the woodshed, he was, and then he was sorry. Not because it was a big deal, but because it wasn't.

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– SparkMandrill83 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

It wasn't a slight you jackass. Kyle has principles he didn't think Trump was living up to, and used his celebrity to put his feet to the fire. Every conservative grifter being such a nut hugging faggot to Trump is why he accomplished so little in his first term. Stop treating him like a god.

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– fauxgnaws 6 points 1 year ago +6 / -0

How am I supposed to respond to that when you didn't even say what your pronouns are?

(Since you're being such a histrionic little bitch I assume you're a leftist)

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– Adamrises 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

Essentially, what causes a lot of people to choose their political side isn't introspection or analysis, but a combination of emotional factors.

You shouldn't undersell the extreme power of contrarianism. That runs underneath an absurdly large amount of politics that people hold.

For example, not everyone on the Left was pro-tranny or pro-Islam (Feminism was loudly not so for decades). But the Right was becoming vocally anti-tranny and anti-Islam, so now they had to dive face first into being so until the point where it doesn't make a single iota of sense (hence TERFs getting born for being slightly less willing to go along).

On the flip side, the Right should be extremely anti-corporation and anti-cop in the current way they function. But because the Left is anti-corp and ACAB, the Right twists itself into "corporations abusing their employees for minuscule profit gains" and "support the Blue who enforce the Left's oppression on you" being the correct choice.

In both these examples, they will say dozens of reasons why they came to these beliefs and they probably do infact hold those pieces now. But they were post-hoc and they would have likely not believed any of it to begin with if they weren't trying to diametrically oppose their "enemies." They 100% worked backwards to justify them believing in it, because admitting they did so in an emotional kneejerk response would make them feel as pathetic as it is.

Not that any of these beliefs have to be that way. You can 100% logically come to them (even the Leftie ones if you accept their version of reality like a retard). But for most people that does not seem to be that way.

Its also why you should always be wary of emotional crusades on "your side." Our Elites know how these things work and are more than happy to stir them up and exploit them to get their agenda progressed further. They know we will weaken ourselves fighting over a nothing battle defending a degenerate or monster, leaving the field wide open for them to just walk in and do so much worse. And they will make their useful Leftie idiots believe in something just to get you riled up to be the opposite of that.

Its why the current schism in the Right on things like Porn or Anime/Loli is so dangerous. Not because those things are good or should be are popular as they are, but because literally any move we make to restrict it will benefit people with bad intentions long before it helps society in the slightest.

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