Out of all the sentencing conventions in the US, I think the typical 5-10 years for pedophilia is the most obviously wrong. There's nothing to be gained from releasing pedos from jail, but everything to lose. The recidivism rate is so high that we need a special class of felon (the sexual offender registry) to try to provide at least some protection to children from further predation. In that light, is a life sentence cruel and unusual punishment as a consequence for child molestation? I don't think so.
The most enraging thing about child serial killers is that almost every one of them has a rap sheet for CSA and rape, but were set free by the legal system, sometimes multiple times, until their cravings got strong enough to kill their victims. The worst case I ever read was a guy that skipped bail for a pedo charge, then went on to kill an entire family, kidnap the youngest kids, and kill one of them before his last victim was rescued.
I don't know who decided that pedophiles should have the privilege of leaving prison, but let's say it wouldn't be surprising if there were a lot of conflicting interests involved.
This is tricky, not in the moral sense, you abuse kids you should be swinging from the gallows forget life sentences. But the issue is as we've seen especially in family courts malicious parties using the fake accusations of pedophilia against an innocent party to damage and discredit them or even to blackmail for money as in your Michael Jackson style. I feel like this should be in three tiers for sentences:
Tier 1: Documented and physical proof of abuse: Death Sentence
You found the sick fuck in the process of abusing kids, either catching them with the child or they even have footage of themselves abusing kids whether by security cameras or were producers of CP. In these cases it's so clear cut they should get death penalty as they're too much a threat to kids, better to erase them.
Tier 2: situational evidence after investigation: Depending on level of evidence 10-life
This is for cases where they seem to have their hand in it but there's no hard proof recorded that they themselves abused kids. Only witness testimonials and the like. I don't really call for death penalty in these situations when there's A CHANCE they've been set up so just go with imprisonment depending on level where low end turning a blind eye to allow it to happen to high end being a distributor of CP without directly abusing kids.
Tier 3: Just testimonials: standard sentencing or just register
If it's just a wife making the accusations in family court outnof nowhere or something on that level, this should be the maximum. If there's no secondary evidence to provide other than 'I said he's a pedo' I can't condone just throwing someone away for life as there's TOO many cases of wives doing that to get a better ruling in court.
That's just sentencing however, for actual enforcement we have a problem of the difference levels of policing to those that are corrupt and know it's happening to those that lack the resources to deal with it all or have a corrupt DA to some parents like the ones that take their kids to drag queen shows being complicit in it.
It's a complete shitshow.
I agree with this. A friend of mine is in jail because a girl's Mom didn't like him. She even bribed a police officer to testify against him. He was a teacher and once escorted her home from school. That was freaking it.
Lefty friend ville, even though he is in jail, his wife has a hard time believing how bad the corruption against men is.
Life sentence instead of death row is just a pragmatic goal that would be possible in any state. I don't have a problem with death sentences either - they usually end up in the same functional place anyway.
The situational tier is an interesting concept. I think the ideal would be life as default and lighter sentencing with a plea deal if they flip on accomplices.
Hmm well, if the evidence is just a he said/she said then why should any punishment (which is life-ruining by itself) be levied?
Because courts are still extremely female leaning, I'd rather have SOME protection through a tier system than go 'the courts will exonerate me' me approach which has fucked us over for years.
No yeah I get that, I'm just saying that accusations out of the blue (the third tier) wouldn't even meet the standard for conviction.
It's just my pessimistic view on the current justice system in the west, they haven't done much to inspire confidence from me.
I think we're talking past each other lol. I totally agree, I'm just saying that nobody should be punished, no matter how light, because of a mere accusation.
Well put. This also intersects with another tool which is used to keep men in line - once pedophilia is established as an accusation no man can defend himself from (for women it's different, of course), then the crime broadens until any man that found attractive (not spoke to, or had sex with - just found attractive) a girl the age of 15 years and 364 days can be branded a "pedophile". Then it expands even further so that even attraction between full adults is considered "pedo" when there's an age gap - something which throughout the entire history of humanity across the whole world has always been considered normal.
This crushes masculinity in society as a whole, and leads to the country becoming full of emasculated simps as in Canada, Australia, the UK, etc.
Fun fact: girls become attractive to men after puberty, not when some corrupt bag of shit writes a law defining when it may happen. It's a biological fact and any man who denies being attracted to post-pubescent girls is delusional or worse. (Note that being attracted to something does not make it morally right that you have sex with them.)
There should be no life sentences.
Anything that warrants a life warrants a death sentence and anything that doesn't warrant a death sentence doesn't warrant a life sentence. A quick death saves society of years of pointless burden for a pointless existence.
But to answer the question. Yes to pedos.
They almost exclusively work to free the worst black-on-white violent criminals. Or in some cases like Adnan, Muslim-on-Asian.
That was part of my intention behind "If it doesn't warrant a death sentence it doesn't warrant a life sentence". Locking someone up for life because you're somewhat worried the evidence you have isn't accurate is a shitty system.
Plus as it stands with the death sentence currently, it's generally not carried out until all avenues of appeal have been exhausted anyway, if that's not enough to correct the vast majority of injustices then that's a flaw in the appellate courts not the sentence.
Death sentence is also more human that sticking someone in a cage until they wither and die.
We live in an time where kiddie-diddlers can be set free if they're trannies but you can be accused of being a pedo and have your life destroyed without consequence or context.
The issue here is not the laws, but the judges you're dealing with. The law usually lists severe sentencing for even a single assault charge, but that doesn't preclude judges from modifying the sentences themselves. Those who want to tear at society already know this, which is why those who truly want to "enact change" go into the legal field. Judges and state/district attorneys control sentencings and charges respectively, while facing no physical repercussions for it. A judge could let several serial killers off easy and not be disbarred for it. We need consequences for abuse of the justice system, not new laws.
That's a great point... Mandatory minimums and three strikes laws are supposed to mitigate that, but ultimately the profession itself needs reform.
I agree that pedophilia should carry a harsh punishment but also pedophilia is <12yo so keep that in mind.
A big issue of pedophilia, imo, is the evidence. A lot of it is he said, she said. I don't believe such situations should ever end in life sentences. If there's pretty obvious evidence that's one thing but if a 9yo girl says her gymnastics instructor touched her inappropriately and then a few other kids come forward and say the same thing, that's difficult to give a life sentence for, IMO. There's a number of scenarios where what's going on truly isn't pedophilia but kids and parents get swept up in a witch hunt where they create the boogeyman because they want to find it. Remember, this is a society that fired a head coach for rape because he kissed a girl after she won a championship. The bar of what is "inappropriate" is a little out of whack.
A lot of times when you see obvious bad people getting away with hardly any punishment it's because the person is non-White or a woman and they're being freed to humiliate white people and men.
Kidnapping used to carry a death sentence. So abductors would just wind up killing the kids, because they were going to death row anyway.
But to be fair, scarring a kid and basically turning them into a defective LGBT loser for the rest of their life isn't much of better fate than death.
Still, all the punishments in the world can't make up for leftist judges and sub-80 IQ jurors from just deciding that nice bearded lady just accidentally shoved his feminine penis where it doesn't belong so they should be set free.
That's the only decent argument that I've read for lighter CSA punishment. In the end though, some of these people are eventually going to kill children anyway - on top of the LGBT trauma problem.
The near-totality of pedos who lacked the self-restrain to abstain from raping children once will rape children again if they are left out of jail. There is no "woops I accidentally a child". They wanted to do it. No "life circumstance" or "peer pressure" made them rape kids.
The ones who won't rape kids again are the fringe minority. The unicorn no sane person would base policies on.
Lawyers and judges who set child-rapists free know this.
The only solace I can provide is that child molesters will serve a lot harsher 10nyear sentence once word gets out to the inmates on why they are there.
You know that old saying about cutting down every law in the land to get to the devil? That's why.
You are only thinking about its use in the most perfect, just world. In reality that would just give carte blanche freedom to the Government to "find" CP on your computer and then throw you away forever with no questions asked for daring to annoy them.
Not only that, but it would make sure that everyone who makes a "mistake" has no reason to hold back any further. Because most of the time these things start as a spur of the moment crime of opportunity, a "mistake," that then progresses from there. This isn't to downplay what they did, only how it works in their mind.
If they know that there are fucked either way with no recourse, then there is no reason for them to not just go all the way at that point. That child serial killer won't have a rap sheet for CSA first, he will just jump right to it because that can't give him two life sentences. He is already maxed out so why not give it his all.
Too many powerful and rich are pedos and they never ever ever get their due punishment. Its a global thing. From the government elite, to the religious like muslims and clergy, to hollywood executives.
Probably for every 1 we punish, theres 100 that are not. And only because they fuck up or go against the message.
They gotta be removed from society in some form, as if left unchecked, they spawn more pedos from their abuse.
We gotta weigh, if it's worth paying the money to keep them locked up for decades, where they will add nothing. So, do we pay huge sums to keep monsters alive so we can say 'At least we aren't killers' or are we paying huge sums to hope they are getting prison justice on the regular as a form of hell / torture?
I think it's better to just do like Florida and just Execute.
As far as I know, pedos don't magically change their nature. They just supposedly 'learn to control it'. That's why they can't be in society. We used to be really strict on making sure they had to move away/tracked. Now shit is so fucked up there's no tracking. There's no effective border control in many countries. It's like demons running wild.
Letting them out in 5-10 years is almost as criminal as what locked them up. Of course I'm talking about hard crimes with evidence, not some metoo shit. There should prob be different tiers for pre-pube / post-pube so the laws are clear and not used only against political enemies like we see in deep blue places. Though, this is one of those cases where nobody is going to fight too hard for an outlier.
In an ideal world, quick execution would be the norm, but with the infamous delays that usually doesn't happen. I see the life sentence as a pragmatic choice to strengthen punishment. The nice thing is that it sidesteps the whole death penalty discussion while removing the offender from society and the gene pool.
I definitely wouldn't say no to Florida's law, though, if it could be passed in other states.
False accusations cast doubt upon the entire system. Beyond that, if they are guilty, find a cop that will investigate the mysterious disappearance of a pedophile.
Gary Plauche did nothing wrong.
I support outlawry. Throw them in prison 10 or 15 years unless there are reliable eyewitness then let them out and brand a big P on their forehead or cheek or cut their nose off or something. That would let everyone know that they are not to he trusted. And if anyone kills someone so marked, oh well.
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Post Approved: This is genuinely speaking about changes to the legal system. It doesn't even argue for execution.