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is there is any group of people who should go out of their way to not dehumanize their enemies - what is the name of this group?
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do you support ethno-nationalism in general, or only for chosenites?
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if you don’t support ethno-nationalism in general, why do you support the ethno-nationalist, racist, apartheid, anti-christian government of israel?
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if you oppose some aspects of the zionist movement, do you feel compelled to stay silent about those subjects “lest you provide grist for mUh AnTi-sEmiTes”?
I’ll edit in any other good questions that people suggest
First of all I'm certainly not whatever a Zionist is. But eh, to hell with it.
Who cares? Vilifying the enemy is par for the course in every direction. Personally I think they're both scum.
Hell yes I support ethno nationalism. And theocracies too. If I had my way my country would be both and a senatorial monarchy to boot.
I don't support the jews or the muslims, both are enemies of my race and my religion and I'll happily watch them kill each other. As far as I'm concerned both groups should be expelled from the West by force. As far "whaa racism", I've been to the middle east. You're all barely better than animals. And you probably know exactly what I'm talking about but you'll equivocate like breathing if I went into specifics so I'll leave it at that.
I don't think this applies and I'm pretty sure it's obvious why.
I was in NYC for 9/11, was back in London for 7/7, and was caught up in the near miss that was the 2007 Haymarket car bomb attack meant to level the Tiger Tiger club. That last one was very close to the bone, We were evacuated, shaken badly. We walked home through Picadillly (all tubes and buses were shut down in response) as we walked up heavily Muslim Edgeware Road suddenly there were block after block of screaming muslims in the street, shouting at any non-muslims, punch-drunk with angry happiness. That was a bit of a shock too.
The next day we woke up to find that the very SAME terrorists who nearly killed us had fled in the night up to Scotland and then attacked Glasgow airport. This was the source of the famous image, if you recall, of a Glaswegian man bravely physically attacking one of the terrorists. The terrorist was a fucking NHS doctor. I remember none of us could process that last bit. I remember the mayor of London Ken Livingstone was on Radio 4 telling us that it had nothing to do with Islam, but that Israel was illegitimate, and that was the reason for these "justifiable" attacks. Again we were stunned and completely confused.
The following year I moved to a gorgeous old house in the East End, in Spitalfields, owned by someone who gave it to us at peppercorn rent on the understanding that we would move out as soon as the approved architect was ready to go to work on it, and that in the meantime we would keep "the locals" from stealing the valuable 18th century fireplaces, installations and cornices (they would steal them and then sell them back to the house owners, quite the thing in 2010's Spitalfields) very near ultra-Muslim Brick Lane.
That was the final straw. Living in a Muslim neighborhood as a white was fucking awful. They are the most racist motherfuckers I have ever come across in my life. They kept trying to break into our house through the roof (yes, really) and tried to drive us out of the house because, I was told, they wanted it to house Muslims as it was so near to the Brick Lane Mosque, which was on the corner of my street. They tried to intimidate us out of the house and once shoved shit through the letterbox. Police did absofuckinglutely nothing. We finally gave them what they wanted and left. Near- zero rent was not even sufficiently compensatory for living near Muslims who wanted to harm us.
Cumulative result: I FUCKING HATE ISLAM. I HATE IT. I WANT IT GONE.
So no, I'm not a "Zionist", I am just a normal Londoner who has had first hand experience of what Muslims want for me and my kind. My philosophy forevermore will be FUCK MUSLIMS AND ALL WHO SUPPORT MUSLIMS. I WANT THEM GONE.
Does that answer your question, OP?
Not really lol, no, you didn’t answer much of any of the questions I raised, you just explained why you feel the extermination of the muslims is justified. More power to you, but that’s not what this thread is about. You’ve certainly had an unlikely life!
Not at all "unlikely": I'm half American and half British. I spend most of my time either in NYC or in London (now the countryside, thank fuck). Both places that your Muslim pals love to attack so much.
It's impossible to avoid them in the UK. They're everywhere, in a country they hate. The US is getting worse and worse for Niqabs and burkhas ever time I visit. At least NYC is. And I never said anything about extermination. Don't put any fucking words in my mouth, you mong. I said GONE. As in, either DEPORTED to the Middle East, or Africa, or wherever. That, or jailed.
Who put the Muslim there? Who ran the boat?
You get angry at the animal while ignoring those who let it out of its cage.
Oh, you mean Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi?
"Whittaker Chambers described the future originator of Pan-Europe as "practically a Pan-European organization himself." He elaborated: "The Coudenhoves were a wealthy Flemish family that fled to Austria during the French Revolution. The Kalergis were a wealthy Greek family from Crete. The line has been further crossed with Poles, Norwegians, Balts, French and Germans".[6] The Kalergis family roots claim their descent from Byzantine royalty via Venetian aristocracy, connecting with the Phokas imperial dynasty. In 1300, Coudenhove-Kalergi's ancestor Alexios Phokas-Kalergis signed the treaty that made Crete a dominion of Venice."
That was his father's family. His mother was a Japanese commoner.
Not a Jew. A mixed race Austrian-Japanese aristocrat.
I’ll take “What is a shabbos” for 2,000 Alex
I think any reasonable person would agree that surviving (or experiencing, or whatever word you want to use) three terrorist attacks over 6 years is indeed a rather “unlikely” series of events.
You (and the other people avoiding answering the actual questions asked) are the only one bringing up muslims dude. I made this thread about zionists and for some reason you’re ranting about muslims.
Why do you think the hordes of “refugees” from these countries exist? Does it have anything to do with the endless banker-wars we’ve been fighting in the Middle East for 70 years (largely at Israel’s behest)? If so, what % of the influx is due to these actions? Should we stop doing the things which produce the hordes of refugees, or keep doing them?
Maybe we just close the borders of the West and expell the foreigners?
If only our politicians took our borders and citizenship in our nations even half as seriously and solemnly as they take israeli borders and citizenship
Unfortunately I don’t think that can happen until everyone reckons with the reality of zionism. If everyone just came out and said “I support the right of an ethnicity to national self-determination” (or not), that would be fine and dandy, and discussion could move us forward, but as long as this “rules for thee, but not for me” / “as a fellow white person, we must do X” bullshit is allowed to play out, the more people are created who’s only option is to violently, mindlessly, lash out around themselves. Atleast, that’s my perception of things.
While correct, it doesn't really address what I was saying.
The outcome you're going to get is not one in which the iniquitous "refugees" or their parent cultures will be rewarded for their despoiling of the West and abuse of hospitality. But rather the opposite.
If you want the globalists to stop screwing with people, well so do we all. But the influx of muslims attacking the European peoples of the world is going to end in the kind of punitive measures that get a capital letter in the history books.
Do you see the invasion of these people as a direct result of the actions of the globalists? I’m talking about their anger at the west and their ability to enter the countries of the west through various means (lax immigration standards, NGOs, “refugee” status, “asylum” claims, sneaking across undefended borders, etc) - because I see them as inexorable, and more so, one directly causing the other.
You may think it’s naive, pointing to the crusades or rightly identifying islam as a religion of conquest, but I think it’s the best way to avoid, as you imply, starting a new chapter of history (which I just frankly don’t see going well, given how utterly in the grasp of the anti-humans the world is now).
You know the idea of the “root-cause analysis”? What do you see as the root cause of terrorism?
I think he answered it quite adeptly. He outlined past experience as to why having non-ethnostates was a bad thing for his own personal life, which answers Q2 in the affirmative (and thus invalidates Q3, which is conditional on Q2 being in the negative). While Q1 was left out, it has an obvious expected answer. Q4 was answered indirectly in the final three endnote paragraphs: He clearly does not mind looking bad to the public eye, in order to preach his message.
So to translate into Graphenium for you from what I get from his post:
Indifference.
In general, clearly!
N/A due to "2" being affirmative.
Clearly not.
Oddly no ones gotten that one yet
Yeah, but what about the jews? - op
I agree they're shitbags and should all get deported out of the west, and I wouldn't shed a tear if the middle east got glassed entirely.
If I may add a follow-up question: what if you found yourself in this situation?
Ayo...but I do got hands?
Lol I see what you did there
Israel absolutely is an ethno-nationalist state.
Non-jews cant immigrate
Non-jews can’t marry jews
Non-jews can’t work without special permission from the jews
Non-jews have special restrictions against serving in the parliament
Etc etc.
It’s not really up for dispute:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_apartheid
Lmfao, you mean the ones who were forcibly sterilized without their knowledge or consent? Yeah wow what a respectful, non-racist society
https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/?sh=677c975767b8
The Palestinians would be doing a lot better if most of them functioned well enough to articulate this without spazzing out. Seriously.
You're full of shit
What percent of the Knesset are non-jews?
What percent of israeli citizens are non-Jews?
Does this indicate restriction?
And:
How am I “full” of shit when I stated 6 different facts and you’re barely able to quibble with a single one?
What do you mean by zionist? I was going to give you shit but I'd rather give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not making a false equivalence.
I mean the dictionary definition of “zionist”
So someone who believes that Israel has a right to exist?
has a right to exist as a jewish ethno-state*
Israel has Jews of many ethnicities - European, Middle Eastern and African. And it also has 20% non-Jews.
And that is good. So no "ethnostate".
You're just a crazy loon who hates them sooooo much that you support the murder of Jews whom the Muslims murdered long before you were born.
Israel absolutely is an ethno-nationalist state.
Non-jews cant immigrate
Non-jews can’t marry jews
Non-jews can’t work without special permission from the jews
Non-jews have special restrictions against serving in the parliament
Etc etc.
It’s not really up for dispute:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_apartheid
Lmfao, you mean the ones who were forcibly sterilized without their knowledge or consent? Yeah wow what a respectful, non-racist society
https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/?sh=677c975767b8
I’m a crazy loon but you literally regurgitate zionist propaganda then scurry away when it’s debunked. Lol.
They have every right to determine who comes into their country.
Substantiate.
Which are those?
Imagine citing Wikipedia and then being really proud of yourself.
Cite one incident to prove that a country is not only racist, but an 'ethnostate' - even though their mere presence makes it not that. I guess <insert leftist racism story> proves that the US is racist.
"It's not an ethno state, it's just that they don't allow immigration from non Jewish peoples (they have every right to do it, right goys?)"
The fucking mental gymnastics.
Yes, it's an ethno state, and that doesn't bother me in itself. What bothers me is that they're the only ethno state allowed to exist by the western elites.
It amazes me that some people feel so absurdly compelled to suck up to Israel. Fuck both parties involved.
In this war between jews and muslims I'm rooting for the war.
They say the opposite about us.
I'm pretty sure you are aware of this. I know you will pretend not to be, though.
Now let me ask you anything. You protest against 'dehumanization', when just yesterday, you said that any massacre of Jewish civilians is justified - and was justified before Israel had even been established. Is that not dehumanization?
Ethno-nationalism means nationalism in its original sense:
Nation - a large body of people united by common descent
Nationalism - identification with one's own nation and support for its interests
So if you agree with all nation’s (aka all people’s) right to national determination, you should oppose the establishment of “israel” in the nation of “Palestine”, at least to the extent it has dispossessed the Palestinians (which is gargantuan)
It’s interesting how you decry dehumanization, yet exercise it on “the muslims” so profusely.
So are you jewish, or just a shabbos zionist?
Go to google and type “define nation”
Let us know what comes up
That's generally more fictional than real, same as for tribal units, but yeah.
As long as they are real, which Ukraine and Palestine are not. Ukrainians are just Russians, just like Palestinians are just Arabs. And they have plenty of national self-determination in tons of Arab countries.
I mean, you were excusing the 1929 Hebron massacre of civilians just yesterday, and said that you support any massacre of Jews in the area, so...
I'm not Jewish, but I don't hate them either like you do.
So you’d call yourself a shabbos philosemite?
Rofl, classic, the zionist shill needs to make shit up to fortify his fence-sitting position.
By what logic was israel “real” in 1947 but Ukraine “isn’t real” today?
Nevemind I shouldn't have given you the benefit of the doubt. Nobody knows that the fuck a shabbos philosemite is and you clearly think not wanting to merc the jews means you're a zionist
If you don’t know what a shabbos is you really don’t belong here, Reddit is more your speed.
And you can’t figure out what “philo-semite” means? Lmfao, no wonder you’re asking for definitions.
Lol faggot this isn't your own personal forum. If you think this shit is on topic you don't belong here
Oy vey! SHUT IT DOWN!
Doesn't it at this point?
I don't call myself anything.
You admitted it yesterday when you said you supported the massacre of the Jews in Hebron.
We're talking about nations, not states. Jews were a distinct group in 1947, so they were a nation. Ukrainians are not a nation, because the only thing that distinguishes them from Russians is that they are EU/US puppets.
I did no such thing, I merely pointed out your claim of “unprovoked abuse” was utterly unsubstantiated and infact debunked by the reality that they were actively engaged in stealing the country.
It’s odd that this is the one subject you can’t engage in good faith on
Right, you 'merely pointed' out that they were provoking being massacred by... existing. Basically, Jews should be massacred according to you, because them existing in the Roman province of Palestine is 'genocide'.
This is the one subject that many people here have weird, far-out ideas on. I don't think support for massacres is something that you can engage in good faith.
Jews are just Semites. They have Israel. I never knew you were a Haavara enthusiast.