We spent around 12 years from 2001 to 2013 (Iraq pullout) steeped in the modern-day Crusader narrative. We prosecuted a war with the intent of overhauling Muslim culture. Then from 2011 onward we had mass migration into Europe, starting with Syrians, and the first European massacres with Charlie Hebdo and Eagles of Death Metal. The narrative naturally continued as the clash of civilizations.
Muslims continue to randomly stab and run over Europeans to this day, yet I no longer believe the Crusader outlook. The first reason is simple: Muslims cannot be our existential enemy because they have no power. Every advantage they have has been granted to them, except for oil money (and even then). Our governments let them into our countries and give them billions of dollars. We let them run away with our military gear. We appoint their leaders. We tolerate their bullshit.
Saying we're in an existential war with Islam is like saying you're in an existential war with a pitbull. You don't need a pitbull for anything and you can shoot it at any time, but a lot of people let them play with their kids. Rotherham sound familiar?
The other reasons are more complex, and I'm going to try to be as direct as possible. Basically, some Muslims have good reason to hate the West. The origin story of almost every enemy in the Middle East involves America. We created the Taliban. We shook hands with Saddam. We destroyed Iraq based on lies and wishful thinking. We overthrew an elected Iranian government - democracy in the Middle East? - and installed a gasbag as king of Iran. We protected Afghan child rapists. We tried to indoctrinate children. We installed Israel and whitewashed their history to the point where 99% of Americans don't even know that Israelis invented modern terrorist bombing. So much stuff with Israel.
Some of the culpability falls on Muslims and their leaders, but the problem is that WE never admit responsibility. They're supposed to be savages lacking our modern standards, but where is the accountability for getting 250,000 Iraqis killed based on Jewish neocon fantasies and the recklessly arrogant reconstruction plan? Where is the justice for the aid worker whose whole extended family was exploded by a Predator or the Afghans who actually believed our propaganda and ended up clinging to C-5 landing gear?
It would be one thing if we were forced to go into their countries and clean up their messes, but we're letting them into our countries at the same time. If you're letting Muslims onto your turf then killing them on their turf does almost nothing to stop terrorism - they can just come legally over here and drive a truck over your Christmas parade! So we are implicitly admitting that if you died in collateral damage from a drone strike, you died for no good reason. How are they supposed to deal with that?
Muslims are rational people, despite their militancy. If you set the rules openly and realistically, you can come to an understanding. Europeans have been involved with the Middle East for the entire post-industrial period, even restructuring their countries, and yet Islamic terrorism has only been a problem since the 1970s because of Western doctrines of interventionism, multiculturalism, and globalism. Western sabotage at the hands of elites is the only existential threat to us. Muslims are only victims and tools.
3-point plan to achieve peace with Islam
- Deny Muslim immigration
- Relocate Muslims immigrants to Muslim countries
- Adopt an open and realist foreign policy a la Trump
There, it's that simple.
As if to mock you, another Muslim murdered a teacher in France today while yelling about his snack bar.
When a pitbull kills a toddler, you are not at war with pitbulls. That implies they can actually fight you.
Pit Bulls have a dozen kids each and teach every single one of them to hate White People?
That's a terrible comparison.
So the dog literally needs to have a human brain before you can see the analogy? Are Muslim countries capable of fighting Western militaries in open conflict? No. Are Muslims capable of physically resisting deportation? Again, no.
Muslims can't fight us. This ain't the Battle of Tours. They are only here because some of "us" want them to be here.
Right now no. But if they keep having a dozen kids and white people have 0-1 you do the math.
Is that really a difficult concept?
We don't even disagree with anything on this thread, so I don't know what your point is.
Muslims can have all the kids they want, as long as it's in their home countries. At that point, they're not a problem.
it's not in their home countries
You don't think the Saudis could figure out a way to fight us?
The Saudis don't want to fight us anyway, but if they did, we can replace them with our own oil reserves. I can't imagine any other way for them to accomplish anything.
Besides not letting people from Muslim countries into western countries - which I suspect most people here agree with - and not getting involved in foreign conflicts - again, guessing most people here would agree - what is your proposal? Whether you want to say we're in a war with Muslims or not seems pedantic.
The current Israel/Palestine conflict is yet another resurrection of the clash of civilizations narrative, which is a giant distraction. Surprised a lot of people don't see that point, but I don't think I was clear enough about the solution. Mass deportation, immigration restriction, and a realist foreign policy is enough to solve our problems with Islam. It's pretty simple.
As with most things, it all goes back to the British and French being snooty assholes after America gave them the win in WW1.
Imagine if The West dropped 2 centuries of leftist delusion and indulgence, to form actual crusader states in 2002. We have a supreme technological and educational advantage over the high medieval militaries, but a spiritual/cultural regression.
It'd be actual progress from what we have. Not regression. We're at peak degen right now.
That's what I meant, that we're too compromised to pull off such an operation. Not that true colonialism is inherently immoral, which it isn't.
No
Yeah, because Iran is calling for peace with us right?
Wait, no, they're calling for us to be destroyed and they want to murder us all. Fuck off you retard. The only reason they haven't killed us all is because we're better at everything than they are, except killing off the alphabet soup.
So what do you want to do, invade them? Be honest.
I'd rather bomb them into oblivion and remove the ability of the middle east to do anything other than fuck goats ever again. Sending troops in is just as retarded as ignoring them as a threat.
Maybe you can just let Israel handle that, seeing as they stole nuke tech from us.
Then maybe they should get on it, and people screeching about 'muh jews' shouldn't stop them.
Sure, we'll get right on that. Let the guys who think everyone else is their slaves get comfortable with nuclear genocide.
israeI is much more of a threat to us than iran is. israeI actually owns our politicians, iran has no power.
No. I'll take a pitbull over those "humans" because at least the pitbull will protect you from said "humans" as long as you treat him right, and not like a disposable, unfeeling machine. Nothing but fucking backstabbers all of them.
Fuck them, all Muslims AND jews out of Canada, fuck 'em all.
Yeah, that's kind of what I'm getting at.
The pitbull analogy actually goes deeper, because on year five or six of being a sweet family dog they can massacre your family. Kind of like taqiyya.
He'sd welcome to feast upon all the POX he can eat.
Deport all non whites from NA and Europe including Muslims and Jews. That's how you solve most problems in western civilization.
Meanwhile in every Western country Jews are making it illegal to side against them and their foreign war.
Conservative Don't Let Your Hatred of Muslims Be Used To Rob You of All Your Rights Challenge (impossible)
I doubt that the people orchestrating this intend to preserve democracy long enough for Muslims to seize control of it. If they put up with sharia courts, it's because it serves another purpose.
Europe with a European consciousness could restore their countries in very little time. I mean, the great villain of immigration at this point is NGOs with homemade boats.
Well the million dollar question is, are the WEF/Jewish elites behind this actually stupid enough to think the current demography will work out in their favor or do they have a catastrophic civil conflict planned so they'll take control of the ashes?
I honestly hope you're right because that will result in a clear demonstration of their fallibility within the next few years. The left coalition is fractured more deeply than they planned at this point. Today's Palestinian boosters are more hardened than ever before.