E Michael Jones Says Without Christianity Europe Would Be Like Africa
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Europe significantly changed after the medieval period. The Alternative Hypothesis had a video essay on large selective changes in the population (like capital punishments for murder, rape, theft) after Christian rule. There's also 2000 years of changes to sexual selection. All of that changes the genetic makeup of the population.
Because Egypt was Greek and Carthage was (most likely) Phoenician. They're African like Elon Musk is African.
So basically Greco-Roman society was stifling to technological advancement but didn't keep it at a net zero advancement.
The main thing holding back technological advancement was largely based on the slave economy. If a steady set of hands exists to do the work there is no need for you to improve your production methods.
The other reason is rather philosophical. Greco-Roman didn't believe in the scientific methods, it was very much based on thought experiments. Many of the scientific principles at the time could have been easily tested for truth but no one ever did it because of social reasons. Things wee just accepted or were to be argued philosophically instead of through actual experiments.
This philosophical method though could have possibly fallen out of favor over time to a more a scientific method.
But that's not discounting the medieval model which heavily encouraged development because it was very unique. You not only had the external factors of kingdoms who were all relatively on the same level technology wise looking for advantages. You also had the internal factors of nobility, royalty, church, the guilds, all competing against each other for dominance.
But you are discounting 400 years of piracy and slave raids of Europe by mediteranian Muslim states that hobbled kingdoms across the continent and only ended when Christian Europe united in the Crusades.
This. The Greeks believed that humans saw by shooting invisible beams out of their eyes that reflected off things and bounced back. No one ever seems to have asked the question "well, why can't we see in the dark, then?"
It's not thaf they "didn't believe in it", the scientific method wasn't invented yet.
Who invented science, btw? A Christian, living in a Christian country.
Oh my God...
You do realize that slavery was ended by the West because of technology, right?
Like, what? No one invented sails because there were slaves to man the oars? The cotton gin had to be invented because the civil war freed the workers?
Open a book...
I believe he is saying that people didn't try to invent new tech because slavery existed to perform the work en masse so why fix what isn't broken so to speak.
This. One of the fundamental differences between states that adopted technology rapidly and those who didn't was population and population density. Low population, sparse nations adopt tech and run with it (England after the opening of the Dominion, America after the end of the Civil War, Japan, Germany) while high population, dense nations don't. Slavery tilts this equation by creating artificial abundance of workers.
(Remembers ALL the shit Zeus did let alone ALL Greek gods) Er, that could be the problem, they are worshiping the god of absent fatherhood
Now if we worshipped Hades, now we might have some morality again!
Hades wasn't perfect, but he was the least bad of the Greek gods.
I think the worst thing he ever did was cheat on Persephone with the nymph Minthe, who Persephone vengefully turned into a sweet-tasting plant...and that's the origin of the word "mint."
(please check out The Mythology Guy on YouTube, he's awesome and taught me so much)
He’s the original “I just want to grill” figure. As he came to be identified with the devil in the popular imagination a bit later on, you might say “I just want to grill sinners.”
Pretty much, the problem with replacement is sure, you have an easier to control population. The bad thing is, you got rid of the population that can make shit.
Europe without a focus on TRADITIONAL Christian values will be like those countries after European colonisation that didn't try to continue the management system so things fell into disrepair.
Bowtie, opinion disregarded.
The pagans of Greece and Rome built and cultivated successful civilizations, not without their flaws, but far and above what the subsaharan africans, australian aboriginies, or American continents achieved.
Catholicism brought them to even higher heights yes, but this blank slate thinking is nonsense, there are other factors. Mud huts can be surpassed without Christianity. If you want civilization at the level of the Sistine chapel, ok yes you need Christianity, but Europeans can get to the Acropolis, proto steam engines and philosophy before then. Why can't the sub-Saharans?
Appreciate the bowtie hatred. Truly the garment of the faggot.
So Africa with Christianity would be like Europe? 🤔
Ask Ethiopia.
Africa is probably more devoutly Christian than western Europe at this point.
Ain't no pictures of George Floyd as a saint in Niger, that shit is exclusive to the Anglican Church.
Came here for this.
How about South America and South East Asian? Basically Europe at it's peak, right?
Oh, I wouldn't go that far. South America is very religious, but Christianity in Europe at it's peak is a whole different level of religious devotion.
The biggest danger in South America is that is where "Liberation Theology" started, and the infection of Marxism into Catholicism began to spread. There's no pictures of George Floyd in South America... yet.
Africa also used to be much worse and large swathes of the "Christian" areas are thinly painted Christianity on top of tribal superstition
weeeellllll, I wouldn't be so sure of that. A lot of that is just how missionary work and conversion to Christendom typically works. It's more traditionally Christian now, and Christianity was certainly much more popular than the tribal folkways.
Read the comments. Practically everyone disagrees with the thesis in the video.
He that answereth before he heareth sheweth himself to be a fool, and worthy of confusion.. Maybe he should read proverbs 18. Taking the time to read the responses from the Christians, that we disagree with this thesis, might have spared him some public embarrassment.
This is a pattern though. I don't know why this guy is so obsessed with trying to tear down Christianity in every thread that mentions it here. It's like the imp's jihad against women, but even more cringe. Like a lost redditer or tumblr user trying to attack with compound insults and going on about 'sky daddies'. Pathetic.