We can mock and in many ways that's rightfully so, but it does seem like she seems to have real and legitimate remorse. I feel sorry for her. What she did was still self-inflicted, and even putting those looks aside I probably wouldn't want to date her either. But she seems to have some level of self awareness that she wants something that isn't on offer to her anymore. That kinda sucks for people who do try and meaningfully change.
I dunno. On the one hand she made her bed. On the other, there should be ways back that don't leave people who legitimately want to change for the better behind in shitty places.
Hahaha bro you fell for it. She's not sorry, she's sorry she's suffering consequences.
She'd still be doing porn now if that got her more sympathy. There is a reason the whole siren song, mermaid, succubus mythos exists. Because bad women can lure in men who feel bad for them.
Nah, I just believe that there's redemption possible for all of us, and that removing any capability for a way back removes any point to ever try bettering ones self.
If a person cannot heal from the mistakes of their past, why ever try in the first place? Why not just keep being the shitty person if it continues to benefit them? To blatantly use and abuse people as she sees fit? You think that she couldn't? That it isn't possible?
I already said that I wouldn't take her in myself, but for fucks sake there has to be something other than continued and unending condemnation, otherwise what's the fucking point of changing her ways? It's entirely possible to feel bad for a person without wanting to fuck them or to give them shit for free. It's not some failure to suggest that IF she is sincere that the situation is shit.
But let me ask you a hypothetical. Assume for a second that this person DOES in fact feel sorry. That she does in fact hold remorse for the life she has lead. That she truly does want to change. Put aside the belief, regardless of how probable, that she's lying through her teeth. How would she achieve that change without being a "siren"? How would she avoid being a "bad woman luring in men"? She's done a lot of shitty things in the past, but exactly how does one move past that and try to start healing? Or is there no redemption? She should just go find the nearest gun and suck-start it ASAP? There are very few things I would deem as irredeemable. Being a porn star isn't one of those things.
She can absolutely endeavor to live a better life now and in the future, and she can absolutely redeem herself in the eyes of both her fellow man and the lord - but she can never regain her chastity or purity. Those things are gone for good, and she did not spend them in exchange for a husband and a family but rather for the fleeting rewards of attention and money. She can’t unring that bell. If her definition of redemption is going back to square one and doing it all over again the right way, then she’s delusional. Life doesn’t work that way. A lot of the mistakes we make are enduring. And contrary to popular belief, the earlier we commit those mistakes in life, the greater the consequences.
Well said. Redemption is not an imaginary reset button that forces the world to pretend nothing ever happened.
Redemption would be outreach to girls growing up, helping them understand their goals of becoming a whore when they leave high school is the wrong path. Redemption would be to push against pornographers scouting the stupid. Redemption would be teaching men that they're better than whipping out the credit card for a glimpse of titty.
So far all I see is whining to the press about how that imaginary reset button is imaginary.
All good generalities but I'm not sure what they have to do with this topic and this person. Just because someone asks for forgiveness doesn't mean it's sincere. In fact there's several indicators here that it's not true. Who the hell announces in a newspaper "HEY YALL I'M RETIRING FROM WHORING" if they are ashamed?
... why ever try in the first place? Why not just keep being the shitty person if it continues to benefit them? ... what's the fucking point of changing her ways?
She'll modify her behavior as necessary to not die lonely. It's a tactical move, and nothing we do will change that. In fact, looking at this from a "negotiate from strength" point of view - if society were less forgiving, she might literally throw herself down in the streets crying for Jesus. You'd get MORE contrition if you shamed her constantly. Either way there's not much benefit to the rest of us in her "changing her ways" or not. She's already used up.
At best if we take any victimization away, this story makes me think of some famous poker player doing an interview to tell us he gambled all his life savings away and is living in the streets. He even admits he was stealing to fund his gambling addiction. We might be like "Damn that sucks. Hope he learned his lesson and things turn out better in the future." That's fine. But then what if he goes on that he's looking for new jobs and they just aren't up to his standards? Would you write a comment about not condemning him?
... why ever try in the first place? Why not just keep being the shitty person if it continues to benefit them? ... what's the fucking point of changing her ways?
If a roastie whore like her can just "change her ways", what's the point of women abstaining from porn in the first place?
"Oh, you're a twenty year old virgin whose made good choices in her life and respects herself? Well, I'm equally deserving of high value men because, even though I put pictures of myself with a cucumber up my butthole on the internet for money, I changed."
Ya that's why we have a weak ass society. Being a whore used to mean you got branded and banished because it literally destroys families and the community. Now there's always a path back into our lives. No, I don't care if she feels bad now. That's between her and God. She has sown her seeds, now she can reap the harvest.
Maybe if more young women saw her being made an example they wouldn't flock to onlyfans, porn, and whoring and we wouldn't be in this social destruction phase. Instead when they are 40 years old some simp feels bad for them and says "but they chaaaaanged" and gives them a seat at the table that she scorned for years. You can't have your cake and eat it too. It's too late for her.
I dunno. On the one hand she made her bed. On the other, there should be ways back that don't leave people who legitimately want to change for the better behind in shitty places.
Do not conflate the (very Christian) notion of forgiveness with anything this whore says, or going out of your way accept her as part of some community. That mentality drove so much "tolerance" in the western world that created society's problems today. She can make her way back and change for the better by disappearing in shame, moving somewhere far away where nobody knows her, getting a normal job, a normal husband, and not telling anyone about her past. Perhaps donate a portion of her "ill-gotten gains" to charities. (and not those that exist to help women) No effort or acknowledgement from anyone else is required.
What she did was still self-inflicted
Still implying that she's a victim. (even of her own bad choices) No, she did what she wanted to do, and she succeeded. Now she's moving on to the next phase in life. You go girl.
I'm sure a solid chunk of the prison population is remorseful and largely safe from committing their crimes again. We aren't out here giving our bleeding hearts to that convicted murderer or pedophile and wishing they could have a chance to change.
No, I largely feel the same about convicted murderers. Pedophiles go into that category of "very few things I would deem as irredeemable", something I mentioned in another comment.
Well, feel free to let them into your home and be the one to take on all the risk associated with helping them through their repentance. I'm sure it'll never go wrong ever at all, because all it takes is one time for it to all crumble on you.
Oh wait, you already admitted you wouldn't even date the girl yourself (something far easier than dealing with a murderer). So you just want everyone else to do things you won't.
Oh wait, you already admitted you wouldn't even date the girl yourself (something far easier than dealing with a murderer). So you just want everyone else to do things you won't.
Not at all. I didn't even say that she should be able to get what she's asking for. Since when did this joint get so wrapped up in binary mentalities that saying "man, the consequences she's facing does in fact suck" equate to "she should be absolved of everything she has done"?
We can mock and in many ways that's rightfully so, but it does seem like she seems to have real and legitimate remorse. I feel sorry for her. What she did was still self-inflicted, and even putting those looks aside I probably wouldn't want to date her either. But she seems to have some level of self awareness that she wants something that isn't on offer to her anymore. That kinda sucks for people who do try and meaningfully change.
I dunno. On the one hand she made her bed. On the other, there should be ways back that don't leave people who legitimately want to change for the better behind in shitty places.
Hahaha bro you fell for it. She's not sorry, she's sorry she's suffering consequences.
She'd still be doing porn now if that got her more sympathy. There is a reason the whole siren song, mermaid, succubus mythos exists. Because bad women can lure in men who feel bad for them.
Nah, I just believe that there's redemption possible for all of us, and that removing any capability for a way back removes any point to ever try bettering ones self.
If a person cannot heal from the mistakes of their past, why ever try in the first place? Why not just keep being the shitty person if it continues to benefit them? To blatantly use and abuse people as she sees fit? You think that she couldn't? That it isn't possible?
I already said that I wouldn't take her in myself, but for fucks sake there has to be something other than continued and unending condemnation, otherwise what's the fucking point of changing her ways? It's entirely possible to feel bad for a person without wanting to fuck them or to give them shit for free. It's not some failure to suggest that IF she is sincere that the situation is shit.
But let me ask you a hypothetical. Assume for a second that this person DOES in fact feel sorry. That she does in fact hold remorse for the life she has lead. That she truly does want to change. Put aside the belief, regardless of how probable, that she's lying through her teeth. How would she achieve that change without being a "siren"? How would she avoid being a "bad woman luring in men"? She's done a lot of shitty things in the past, but exactly how does one move past that and try to start healing? Or is there no redemption? She should just go find the nearest gun and suck-start it ASAP? There are very few things I would deem as irredeemable. Being a porn star isn't one of those things.
She can absolutely endeavor to live a better life now and in the future, and she can absolutely redeem herself in the eyes of both her fellow man and the lord - but she can never regain her chastity or purity. Those things are gone for good, and she did not spend them in exchange for a husband and a family but rather for the fleeting rewards of attention and money. She can’t unring that bell. If her definition of redemption is going back to square one and doing it all over again the right way, then she’s delusional. Life doesn’t work that way. A lot of the mistakes we make are enduring. And contrary to popular belief, the earlier we commit those mistakes in life, the greater the consequences.
Well said. Redemption is not an imaginary reset button that forces the world to pretend nothing ever happened.
Redemption would be outreach to girls growing up, helping them understand their goals of becoming a whore when they leave high school is the wrong path. Redemption would be to push against pornographers scouting the stupid. Redemption would be teaching men that they're better than whipping out the credit card for a glimpse of titty.
So far all I see is whining to the press about how that imaginary reset button is imaginary.
She can get forgiveness by becoming a nun; she's already ruined herself for high value men.
Never claimed she could. Nor should she be able to.
There's redemption only for those who repent in earnest.
This woman is simply under the impression that her gravy train has come to a stop, so she's monkey branching.
And how would you tell the difference between someone "monkey branching" and someone who's being earnest in their repentance?
All good generalities but I'm not sure what they have to do with this topic and this person. Just because someone asks for forgiveness doesn't mean it's sincere. In fact there's several indicators here that it's not true. Who the hell announces in a newspaper "HEY YALL I'M RETIRING FROM WHORING" if they are ashamed?
She'll modify her behavior as necessary to not die lonely. It's a tactical move, and nothing we do will change that. In fact, looking at this from a "negotiate from strength" point of view - if society were less forgiving, she might literally throw herself down in the streets crying for Jesus. You'd get MORE contrition if you shamed her constantly. Either way there's not much benefit to the rest of us in her "changing her ways" or not. She's already used up.
At best if we take any victimization away, this story makes me think of some famous poker player doing an interview to tell us he gambled all his life savings away and is living in the streets. He even admits he was stealing to fund his gambling addiction. We might be like "Damn that sucks. Hope he learned his lesson and things turn out better in the future." That's fine. But then what if he goes on that he's looking for new jobs and they just aren't up to his standards? Would you write a comment about not condemning him?
If a roastie whore like her can just "change her ways", what's the point of women abstaining from porn in the first place?
"Oh, you're a twenty year old virgin whose made good choices in her life and respects herself? Well, I'm equally deserving of high value men because, even though I put pictures of myself with a cucumber up my butthole on the internet for money, I changed."
Ya that's why we have a weak ass society. Being a whore used to mean you got branded and banished because it literally destroys families and the community. Now there's always a path back into our lives. No, I don't care if she feels bad now. That's between her and God. She has sown her seeds, now she can reap the harvest.
Maybe if more young women saw her being made an example they wouldn't flock to onlyfans, porn, and whoring and we wouldn't be in this social destruction phase. Instead when they are 40 years old some simp feels bad for them and says "but they chaaaaanged" and gives them a seat at the table that she scorned for years. You can't have your cake and eat it too. It's too late for her.
Ya fucking right.
How would she achieve that? Not by trying to trawl for men again.
Can you truly think of no other means of repentance?
Do not conflate the (very Christian) notion of forgiveness with anything this whore says, or going out of your way accept her as part of some community. That mentality drove so much "tolerance" in the western world that created society's problems today. She can make her way back and change for the better by disappearing in shame, moving somewhere far away where nobody knows her, getting a normal job, a normal husband, and not telling anyone about her past. Perhaps donate a portion of her "ill-gotten gains" to charities. (and not those that exist to help women) No effort or acknowledgement from anyone else is required.
Still implying that she's a victim. (even of her own bad choices) No, she did what she wanted to do, and she succeeded. Now she's moving on to the next phase in life. You go girl.
I'm sure a solid chunk of the prison population is remorseful and largely safe from committing their crimes again. We aren't out here giving our bleeding hearts to that convicted murderer or pedophile and wishing they could have a chance to change.
You just feel bad because its a woman crying.
No, I largely feel the same about convicted murderers. Pedophiles go into that category of "very few things I would deem as irredeemable", something I mentioned in another comment.
True repentance is important.
Well, feel free to let them into your home and be the one to take on all the risk associated with helping them through their repentance. I'm sure it'll never go wrong ever at all, because all it takes is one time for it to all crumble on you.
Oh wait, you already admitted you wouldn't even date the girl yourself (something far easier than dealing with a murderer). So you just want everyone else to do things you won't.
Not at all. I didn't even say that she should be able to get what she's asking for. Since when did this joint get so wrapped up in binary mentalities that saying "man, the consequences she's facing does in fact suck" equate to "she should be absolved of everything she has done"?
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