FWIW, I disagreed with the ruling. The defendants were pretty much driven to extreme lengths because the police were so bad at doing their job. It reminds me of the Killdozer story.
I consider this to be the beginning of the "Criminals are victims and victims are criminals" mentality that currently plagues America.
According to the US Attorney’s Office, in September 2018, Oregon State Police and the FBI went to a home previously owned by Gregory Lee Rodvelt, 71.
Rodvelt had boobytrapped the home after learning that someone had been chosen to sell it, according to court documents.
When bomb technicians arrived to the property, they discovered a minivan blocking the entrance with steel animal traps mounted to a gate post and beneath the vehicle’s hood.
They also discovered that the gate was constructed such that when it was opened, a hot tub would roll toward the person who had unlocked it.
The house had been barricaded from the inside, with security doors at the front and back entrances and visible bullet holes in the front door.
The technicians said they discovered a rat trap adapted to discharge a shotgun shell and set to go off when the garage door opened in the house’s garage.
Agents used an explosive charge to breach the front door, and when they entered, they discovered a wheelchair in the center of the foyer.
When the wheelchair was bumped, a handmade shotgun fired, striking one of the technicians in the leg.
Best part is he is found guilty because the FBI 'specialist' was so irresponsible and decided to push a wheelchair in the middle of a clearly booby-trapped property.
I find no ethical issues with this in particular, but there is an ethical issue that needs to be addressed with booby traps. should you ever find yourself in need of emergency services, people unfamiliar with your property will need to come on to it to assist you. this could include police responding to a break-in, or EMT's responding to a medical emergency, or the fire brigade preventing a fire on your property from spreading. there's also postal services.
By booby trapping your home, you put them all at risk. If you go about booby trapping your home, at least make sure everyone who enters your property knows that the property is dangerous.
at least make sure everyone who enters your property knows that the property is dangerous.
Remember from the article, opening the front gate, which was decorated with a van covered in bear traps, launched a hot tub at the entrants.
If I opened a door leading into a SAW franchise set, and a giant piece of patio furniture was chucked at me from a pulley wire system leading from the gate... I'm going to assume that maybe, just maybe, this is not a friendly area.
Yeah, the type of guys like this only go with the ambulance by force and against thier own will. The kind of old men to call you to break them out of a hospital.
It's not always up to the property owner. in the case of wildfires, for instance, you might get people entering your property whether you called them or not.
not every person in the FBI is a glowie out to kill you and your family
While I agree with the rest of your point about rushing to label these things, the actions these agencies get up to aren't really well kept secrets (and the secrets are probably even worse). Someone still willing to join despite knowing that taints themselves simply by that approval alone.
Especially as, given that reputation, you absolutely should treat every single one you see as someone who will do that because you are far more likely to be right than not.
According to the US Attorney’s Office, in September 2018, Oregon State Police and the FBI went to a home previously owned by Gregory Lee Rodvelt, 71. Rodvelt had boobytrapped the home after learning that someone had been chosen to sell it, according to court documents.
I'd really need more info on what led up to this, the corruption of the FBI is a problem, but there's no point where a society can exist without police.
Uh, maybe an FBI agent shouldn't have been in his house?
Side note: booby trapping a house is illegal, here's an interesting video on the case that decided it.
https://youtu.be/bV9ppvY8Nx4?t=4
FWIW, I disagreed with the ruling. The defendants were pretty much driven to extreme lengths because the police were so bad at doing their job. It reminds me of the Killdozer story.
I consider this to be the beginning of the "Criminals are victims and victims are criminals" mentality that currently plagues America.
Well said, criminals don't value their own life but, for some reason, society is to supposed to value it for them.
They use a passive, objectless voice because it's natural to fill in like for like.
Your life is more important than your property.
Is what they want you to think, but that's not the issue.
Their life is not more important than your property.
That's not actually a difficult proposition; they're worthless lowlife scum and have no right to ruin or even impact your wellbeing.
'Legal Eagle' is a BLM/antifa crazy with severe TDS.
Best part is he is found guilty because the FBI 'specialist' was so irresponsible and decided to push a wheelchair in the middle of a clearly booby-trapped property.
Their mistakes = your conviction.
Rigging a gate to roll a hot tub down the hill like something out of Looney Tunes wasn't on my list, but it is now.
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I find no ethical issues with this in particular, but there is an ethical issue that needs to be addressed with booby traps. should you ever find yourself in need of emergency services, people unfamiliar with your property will need to come on to it to assist you. this could include police responding to a break-in, or EMT's responding to a medical emergency, or the fire brigade preventing a fire on your property from spreading. there's also postal services.
By booby trapping your home, you put them all at risk. If you go about booby trapping your home, at least make sure everyone who enters your property knows that the property is dangerous.
Either that, or do it in such a way that you need to actively engage the traps. Ideally when you're expecting company.
Remember from the article, opening the front gate, which was decorated with a van covered in bear traps, launched a hot tub at the entrants.
If I opened a door leading into a SAW franchise set, and a giant piece of patio furniture was chucked at me from a pulley wire system leading from the gate... I'm going to assume that maybe, just maybe, this is not a friendly area.
fair, but people are dumbasses especially when they're feds. a simple sign saying
would have gone a long way.
Yeah, the type of guys like this only go with the ambulance by force and against thier own will. The kind of old men to call you to break them out of a hospital.
Considering how happy any hospital would be to put me on a ventilator to receive that sweet, sweet Covid cash, I'm on his side now.
It's not always up to the property owner. in the case of wildfires, for instance, you might get people entering your property whether you called them or not.
all well and good, but worthless unless people know. And in the case of wildfires, your status in the social contract is irrelevant
This is dude is no hero.
He lost the house as a result of being found liable for $3M in a lawsuit for elderly abuse brought against him by his 90yo mother.
While I agree with the rest of your point about rushing to label these things, the actions these agencies get up to aren't really well kept secrets (and the secrets are probably even worse). Someone still willing to join despite knowing that taints themselves simply by that approval alone.
Especially as, given that reputation, you absolutely should treat every single one you see as someone who will do that because you are far more likely to be right than not.
They’re scum down to the last tranny.
Southern Oregon is so awesome. Portland and Eugene are super lefty. I have had friends move to Eugene to be as lefty as they could.
Pendleton is just angry.
Southern Oregon is magical with people who are experienced in dealing with it.
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Do not glorify violence, and especially not explicitly illegal violence, which booby traps are in the entire US.
I'd really need more info on what led up to this, the corruption of the FBI is a problem, but there's no point where a society can exist without police.
I...don't even know what to think about this.